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by Kifle
Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:55 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

No, what I'm doing is drawing a line which exists in reality. And it really boils down to how deduction and induction is used within the two spheres of thought. And, if we cannot agree on this, then I don't see the discussion moving anywhere constructive. Basically, religion is not disprovable, scie...
by Kifle
Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:35 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: undocumented worker or criminal illegal
Replies: 93
Views: 9149

Re: undocumented worker or criminal illegal

American citizen charged with stockpiling weapons due to Sarah Palin's crazy.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... partie.php
by Kifle
Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:30 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

I think you're just arguing to argue now :)
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:53 pm
Forum: T2 General Discussion Archive
Topic: shoots form across the rink into a 6" goal...
Replies: 3
Views: 1058

Re: shoots form across the rink into a 6" goal...

Seriously though, I do. Lol, but really, that's an amazing shot. The guy did step over the line though...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:53 pm
Forum: T2 General Discussion Archive
Topic: shoots form across the rink into a 6" goal...
Replies: 3
Views: 1058

Re: shoots form across the rink into a 6" goal...

I make that shot every time I bang your mom.
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:25 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

It is pretty unsafe by definition. Even the NRA agrees that it's not safe. I don't think that's in question. It's unsafe for me to run on my roof, but it is entirely legal. My point was that subjecting to the public to an unusually high degree of danger is illegal for good reason. Carrying a gun in...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:22 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Why Isn't Wall Street In Jail?
Replies: 11
Views: 518

Re: Why Isn't Wall Street In Jail?

Wow, that was a great article. Unfortunately, all it does is make me angry. There's no recourse for me or you here.
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:15 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: San Francisco, no longer a liberal bastion
Replies: 7
Views: 357

Re: San Francisco, no longer a liberal bastion

What, exactly, makes you think all Chinese people are conservatives? I mean, you did note that the guy you're talking about is a democrat right? Chinese folks living in the United States have a more recent immigrant heritage - they're less adverse to risk. They're better educated on average, have h...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:12 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

Teflor Lyorian wrote:It is pretty unsafe by definition. Even the NRA agrees that it's not safe.


I don't think that's in question. It's unsafe for me to run on my roof, but it is entirely legal.
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:12 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

The Roman Catholics are a great study of how logic works on religion. If you haven't had the opportunity to see how much the church has changed over the years, then you are missing out on a significant portion of my argument. They've left behind notions of a flat earth, that the heavens revolve aro...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 4:01 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

Laws which are created through moral perspective are tyrannical and counterproductive to societal growth and sustainability. These laws should be removed. Laws which are created through moral necessity are those which should stay -- because they are laws inherent in nature or created necessarily fr...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:31 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

And about the part where it's wrong to take someone's wealth by force and spend it on something they believe to be wrong? Touche. I suppose, in this case, my line of rationale would lead to cutting of funding through taxes. But, then again, with my rationale, it would be tough to justify taxes at a...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:26 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

I wouldn't say just as easily, but you are correct to an extent. My definition of inalienable right and those used by others often diverge, though, and I don't think my definition is so easily muddied as others. Unfortunately, perspective is not something that can ever be disassociated with human t...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 17, 2011 3:01 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

Conversely, disallowing stemcell research is something that hurts society. A couple of points in response: 1) Stem cell research is allowed in the United States of America. There is no ban. This is a commonly believed myth. The ban is on federal funding. States can fund it. Private sources can fund...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:18 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

So what, then, if any, is the difference between immutable religious law and an unalienable right? If your answer is none, you are correct. The prior are either given by religious doctrines directly from religious text or divined from religious texts, usually through induction, or religious figures...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:11 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

kifle, do you support incestual marriage and polygamy? Sarvis, they should have the right to liberty. That does not mean we have the right to claim a designation under any legal relationship we have a whim to claim. I can not claim the legal rights associated with being an S Corp or a non profit or...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:31 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

again, you do not have a right to get married. Its not an inalienable right, its not explicitly protected by the constitution. Its a recognized legal relationship recognized by the state for purposes that we can't seem to get started defining. Gays have no more natural "right" to get marr...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:38 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

Kiryan, I'm not advocating public good for the sake of public good -- that is just the outcome. I am not saying create laws which say stem cell research should be pursued without abandon, I am saying that we should disallow laws which limit stem cell research. In this respect, the outcome is the sam...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:16 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: San Francisco, no longer a liberal bastion
Replies: 7
Views: 357

Re: San Francisco, no longer a liberal bastion

What, exactly, makes you think all Chinese people are conservatives? I mean, you did note that the guy you're talking about is a democrat right? Chinese folks living in the United States have a more recent immigrant heritage - they're less adverse to risk. They're better educated on average, have h...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:12 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Not even the Reagans like Sarah Palin
Replies: 69
Views: 2454

Re: Not even the Reagans like Sarah Palin

so it's back to direct, personal insults? Sarvis has me ignored, he can't even read what I wrote. Thanks for spamming the forum. Maybe that's her penance handed by Dug for attacking me in a previous thread -- or it is her poor attempt at disguised hypocrisy. Regardless, I agree that she is guilty o...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:09 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Oprah says RESPECT Obama
Replies: 20
Views: 693

Re: Oprah says RESPECT Obama

my biggest thing about trying to impose democracy upon iraq is what right do we have to it. What right do we have as a society to impose our beliefs be they political, ethical or moral on other countries and other peoples? Is America so all knowing that they know what is best for the rest of the na...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:02 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.
Replies: 189
Views: 8594

Re: healthcare law will cost 800,000 jobs.

So what, then, if any, is the difference between immutable religious law and an unalienable right? If your answer is none, you are correct. The prior are either given by religious doctrines directly from religious text or divined from religious texts, usually through induction, or religious figures...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:54 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

Conversely, disallowing stemcell research is something that hurts society. A couple of points in response: 1) Stem cell research is allowed in the United States of America. There is no ban. This is a commonly believed myth. The ban is on federal funding. States can fund it. Private sources can fund...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:37 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

The progressive income tax. Minimum wage. Compulsory overtime benefits. Is someone going to argue that any of these are required in order to even have a civil society? In the same way as the outlaw of murder? Somehow the human race made do without them for thousands of years, so as far as I can tel...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:10 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: San Francisco, no longer a liberal bastion
Replies: 7
Views: 357

Re: San Francisco, no longer a liberal bastion

Chinks must be conservative Chinese...
by Kifle
Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:56 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...
Replies: 135
Views: 6080

Re: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...

I agree, Kiryan, to an extent. I'm sure I could easily find an argument against your post, but I would just be being redundant at this point. For your current post, assuming that there would be no argument against what you posted, we need to further the discussion by asking: If the constitution does...
by Kifle
Tue Feb 15, 2011 8:45 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

Kifle, I was a philosophy major too, but unlike you I absolutely hated it and (thankfully) don't remember much of it at all. I'm going to assume that you have a more nuanced understanding of what morality means - as I'm really not interested in such a debate (quite frankly, having teeth extracted s...
by Kifle
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:14 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules
Replies: 60
Views: 2771

Re: lack of moral discipline leads to increased government rules

Outlawing murder is legislating morality as well. I doubt many people have an issue with outlawing murder. Is abortion murder? All law, at it's core, legislates morality. The disagreement is probably over different conceptions of what is moral and what isn't. Actually, outlawing murder is not legis...
by Kifle
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:03 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: birthrape, yo its a serious issue
Replies: 7
Views: 430

Re: birthrape, yo its a serious issue

I was sleep raped last night. I was just laying there, in my birthday suit as usual, and all of a sudden the blankets started touching my penis. I said no, and turned away, but the matress started in on me! All of a sudden, I felt like I was trapped into providing these things with some sick sexual ...
by Kifle
Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:48 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...
Replies: 135
Views: 6080

Re: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...

Forum history is being made here.
by Kifle
Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:11 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: birthrape, yo its a serious issue
Replies: 7
Views: 430

Re: birthrape, yo its a serious issue

If I ever see you again, I'm going to punch you for posting that, Kiryan. I honestly thought it was something similar to "the onion" articles. I'm half tempted to believe it still is. Seriously? Birth Rape? Are you fucking kidding me? My birth stories are boring, I fell asleep during labor...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:23 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Middle East / Egypt
Replies: 64
Views: 2396

Re: Middle East / Egypt

This thread never really got started properly, after the general consensus was revealed to be "I can't be arsed to figure out what's going on over there." So let's talk about porn instead, amirite? Sounds good. I have a general idea of what's happening now, but sorry I don't feel I have a...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:21 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Michael Lewis article on the Irish financial crisis
Replies: 19
Views: 769

Re: Michael Lewis article on the Irish financial crisis

Well here's the rub Kiryan. The foreign investors were not making loans to the government of Ireland. They were making loans to privately owned Irish banks. The government of Ireland, and by extension the people of Ireland, had absolutely no responsibility towards those foreign investors - either m...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:15 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: What are we working for, exactly?
Replies: 34
Views: 985

Re: What are we working for, exactly?

Corth wrote:Liberals tend to assume everyone (but themselves) are stupid..


I think this is a universal human trait...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:13 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Not even the Reagans like Sarah Palin
Replies: 69
Views: 2454

Re: Not even the Reagans like Sarah Palin

Which usurper was liked by the establishment? I don't remember the Clinton's bending over backwards to support Obama. Matter of fact, it go pretty dicey there with thinks Bill was saying during the election and I remember a few articles about how Clinton era folks were scrutinized extra closely bef...
by Kifle
Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:55 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: The Edge
Replies: 21
Views: 1177

Re: The Edge

There are thousands of banks.. and gosh if Goldman were simply paying people off not to compete that would seem like an expensive proposition. Thousands of banks that could handle transactions on the level of Goldman Sachs? You think? I also never said they were paying anyone off, I said they were ...
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:47 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Outlaw working mothers
Replies: 14
Views: 549

Re: Outlaw working mothers

When the economy allows for single income families, you may have some point boardering on rational; however, at this point, I will just enjoy the sarcasm. If half of the employees would leave the work force, the economy will allow for single income families. I don't think most families would take t...
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:43 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Politicizing the supreme court
Replies: 19
Views: 914

Re: Politicizing the supreme court

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48832.html Basically it says the supreme court is malleable to public opinion and that today's court may not want to be judged by history as having lost the faith of the american people. I think there are valid issues here, but recognize it for what it is.....
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:38 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Outlaw working mothers
Replies: 14
Views: 549

Re: Outlaw working mothers

When the economy allows for single income families, you may have some point boardering on rational; however, at this point, I will just enjoy the sarcasm.
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:32 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...
Replies: 135
Views: 6080

Re: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...

What exactly is unrealistic about it? The part where people stop discriminating because a compromise was reached. To me it makes the most sense and offends the least amount of people. I'm sure the same exact thing was said about "separate but equal" when it was first proposed. Sure, it is...
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:42 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...
Replies: 135
Views: 6080

Re: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...

good post kifle. I would like to see marriage stricken from legal vocabulary and instead recognize only civil unions that are structured to meet specific legal and societal "needs". You would apply for a "civil union" license at a court house, and have your religious "marri...
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:39 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...
Replies: 135
Views: 6080

Re: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...

Basically what Corth is trying to say is that Marriage and Civil Union are only different in name, but they use the same legal rules. On tax programs there would be a check box that would look like "Are you married or in a civil union?' instead of "Are you married?" Nothing changes f...
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:36 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...
Replies: 135
Views: 6080

Re: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...

Actually, if anyone's bothered to notice, the state institution of marriage is applied exactly the same across all religions, including the agnostic and the atheist. That should take care of all the religious nonsense. But the societal view is still unchanged in that marriage is a religious institu...
by Kifle
Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:08 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...
Replies: 135
Views: 6080

Re: Iowa ban on same-sex marriage...

If they even write that provision into the civil union law, Corth. I don't think they would... that's my point. It'd end up being some kind of Marriage-Lite package containing some of the important rules, and leaving out others... Basically what Corth is trying to say is that Marriage and Civil Uni...
by Kifle
Thu Feb 03, 2011 7:57 am
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: Rachem Maddow frothing at the mouth, forgot to check facts
Replies: 6
Views: 478

Re: Rachem Maddow frothing at the mouth, forgot to check facts

Ragorn wrote:As usual, Jon Stewart made Sarah Palin look like a total horse's ass last night. Hilarious segment.


The Russian Spy one? That is one thing I do miss now that I don't have TV. Jon Steward always entertains and educates.
by Kifle
Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:48 pm
Forum: T2 General Discussion Archive
Topic: Oregon
Replies: 11
Views: 2372

Re: Oregon

I'm not surprised you have a beard. Welcome to the man club.
by Kifle
Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:25 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: would you take 50k over 100k a year? most would.
Replies: 34
Views: 1141

Re: would you take 50k over 100k a year? most would.

you are in no position to be condescending towards me -- even on your best day. i'm sorry i made you look stupid, so that now you have to make it all about me so you can build yourself back up again. now that i've apologized, i hope we can move on like the other ppl in the thread Of course you did....
by Kifle
Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:29 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: freedom of speech bullshit
Replies: 44
Views: 1711

Re: freedom of speech bullshit

Sarvis wrote:
Kindi wrote:
Corth wrote:Really? I think we are in a bit of a golden age of journalism.

i wonder if they called the bronze age the golden age while they were living in it


Depends, had they invented gold yet? ;)


To my knowledge, gold wasn't invented, it was found :)
by Kifle
Wed Feb 02, 2011 7:02 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: would you take 50k over 100k a year? most would.
Replies: 34
Views: 1141

Re: would you take 50k over 100k a year? most would.

However, travel is a big part of our culture in the US, as evidenced by the number of campgrounds in each state, RV sales figures, and the sheer number of domestic flights. My guess is that the US is big enough, varied enough, and multicultural enough to satisfy the average wanderlust, while Europe...
by Kifle
Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:53 pm
Forum: Current Events & Politics
Topic: would you take 50k over 100k a year? most would.
Replies: 34
Views: 1141

Re: would you take 50k over 100k a year? most would.

No, it's more as if you assumed everyone knew the entirety of what the graph represented given your vague description. Anyway, I've had enough of unwarranted condescension. I guess somebody had to take over Teflor's job since he isn't an ass anymore. Wear the crown proudly, but you're going to have...

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