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Teflor Lyorian

The difference between a murderer and "lawful open carry" standing next to you is the 2 seconds it takes to unholster and open fire Fewer than 1% of 1% of firearms are used in homicides. The vast majority of which are wielded by gang bangers and individuals with a violent criminal history...

Teflor Lyorian

Vigis,

While normally your questions would be completely appropriate, this was for a new facility. The plant in WA is still open and adding workers.

Teflor Lyorian

I would have to say, avoiding the problems the union presents is a compelling business case.

The fact that they are not only keeping their union factory open, but hiring additional union employees indicates zero retaliation.

Teflor Lyorian

The difference between a murderer and "lawful open carry" standing next to you is the 2 seconds it takes to unholster and open fire Fewer than 1% of 1% of firearms are used in homicides. The vast majority of which are wielded by gang bangers and individuals with a violent criminal history...

Teflor Lyorian

But that's the whole point. The actions they are taking are only retaliatory if the union had the right in the first place.

Their collective bargaining agreement specifically gives Boeing the right, and not the union.

Teflor Lyorian

I do have to say that the 'overreaction' in terms of shouting, cussing, and generally disrespecting the citizen is probably an effective tool cops in that area have when it comes to controlling suspects and preventing violence. I wouldn't begrudge them so long as their department policy allows for t...

Teflor Lyorian

Furthermore, this is more than an 'investigation.' The Obama administration has requested that the courts suspend production at the SC plant. The Obama administration requested that the thousands of hard working Americans at the plant go without work.

Teflor Lyorian

Kiryan, a new plant is new work. When you place a new order with a new vendor, you are not retaliating against your old vendor - they do not have a right to your new order. Similarly, with the unionized Washington plant, the union did not have a right to new facilities. Their plant actually grew and...

Teflor Lyorian

It is illegal to retaliate against a union's right to collective bargaining by opening a plant in a non-union state or locale. Now look at who's reaching. A legitimate business decision to do business in America, to create American jobs, while retaining and hiring additionally in their original Was...

Teflor Lyorian

There were a lot of important facts in the opinion piece that would seriously help your opinion be taken seriously had you accounted for them. For example: Boeing's new plant also was unionized. How do you punish the union by opening another union plant? Nice try though. Actually, the new plant was...

Teflor Lyorian

There were a lot of important facts in the opinion piece that would seriously help your opinion be taken seriously had you accounted for them.

For example: Boeing's new plant also was unionized. How do you punish the union by opening another union plant?

Nice try though.

Teflor Lyorian

Just a little bigoted.

Teflor Lyorian

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html

In this episode the Obama's NRLB seeks to punish Boeing for trying to do business in America. How dare they?

Teflor Lyorian

"certain human populations have a mutation on chromosome 2 which eliminates the shutdown in lactase production, making it possible for members of these populations to continue consumption of fresh milk and other dairy products throughout their lives without difficulty. This appears to be an ev...

Teflor Lyorian

Qadaffi is a threat to oil production. He became unable to manage the population. In the absence of the air strikes he was controlling them quite well. With vicious efficiency. Everyone acknowledges that the rebels would have been crushed but for intervention from the international community. Only ...

Teflor Lyorian

Asking should be a right of free speech, imo.

Certainly, the parent should be able to decline to answer, but still have their child treated.

Teflor Lyorian

Qadaffi is a threat to oil production. He became unable to manage the population.

Teflor Lyorian

Corth wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/un-human-rights-office-extremely-concerned-by-syria-crackdown-number-of-850-killed-realistic/2011/05/13/AFTfq51G_story.html

Why aren't we doing air raids in Syria?

Not as much oil. Libya exports 10x the oil Syria exports.

No oil? No interest. Duh.

Teflor Lyorian

The 50% I agree/agreed with: Redlining is illegal. Not only did I not say that, but it's not true. Redlining is currently legal, and the article that kiryan linked in the first article describes what the Obama Administration is doing to make it illegal. All opposed by the Republicans of course, who...

Teflor Lyorian

Simply put, $4,000 is perfectly acceptable for an unskilled laborer without a high school diploma working part-time for three months as a lifeguard at a small public pool. The statistics quoted in the "echo-chamber" have been backed by government documentation that I made available. Full t...

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The 50% I agree/agreed with: Redlining is illegal. It's *somewhat* justified by Equal Housing Opportunity. What I disagree with: Banks should have the ultimate authority to decide who they do business with, unless they are subsidized or supported by taxpayer dollars that the bank has opted to accept...

Teflor Lyorian

Ragorn wrote:Good, then you agree with me :) Guess we're done here.

No, I was correcting the stupid shit you were posting. Also, I only agree with about 50% of what you've said.

Teflor Lyorian

Uh, many, many loans are from out of state banks. The majority of revolving credit is from out of state banks. Nice try though. Yeah, but it's a shame he lives in a redlined state and doesn't qualify for loans from any of them. Sorry. Nice try though :) I don't care if Kiryan can't get a loan. I al...

Teflor Lyorian

Actually, I think lifeguards should unionize and seek higher wages. I posted a link above to a job listing at a CA State Beach that pays a salary of $4000 for lifeguards. At least ONE lifeguard is making $4000 per year, which is UNACCEPTABLE. I propose we have the government step in and evaluate co...

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are banks in up town saying sorry we don't serve customers from downtown? Quit being retarded. They can pick up the phone and call an uptown bank, they can take the bus up there. whatever, Yoshinoya not opening up a restauarant in whitesvill, MT doesn't make it discrimination. It makse it a busines...

Teflor Lyorian

It is good exercise, and you're less likely to get stabbed in the nice uptown!

Teflor Lyorian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h_pp8CH ... r_embedded

A very interesting video from a very well read dirty jobs guy.

Teflor Lyorian

Sarvis wrote:None of that changes the fact that you said lifeguards should earn $80k, and they actually earn the equivalent of $77k.

Except for the ones I've used government statistics to show that there are lifeguards that make well more than that.

Teflor Lyorian

(NOTICE: Sarvis can't see this)
Furthermore:
http://www.onetonline.org/link/summary/ ... .00#Skills (This is a US DOL site.)

Job Zone One: Little or No Preparation Needed

Teflor Lyorian

unskilled labor is making 120-200k+ a year A) You have a strange definition of unskilled labor First, they have to maintain a level of fitness that many people can't. Second, they need to have first aid skills (NOTICE: Sarvis can't see this) So do Army Privates. and special training to know how to ...

Teflor Lyorian

Ragorn: Despite what I consider to be your invalid protestations, I've identified a government source that might alleviate your expressed concern. http://www.newportbeachca.gov/Modules/ShowDocument.aspx?documentid=10020 6015 LIFEGUARD BATTALION CHIEF 1 2360.01 100% 119,477.69 75,575.67 195,053.36

Teflor Lyorian

Even 1 lifeguard pulling $211k is unacceptable to the tune of $80,000 of taxpayer cash money that could have hired an additional full-time teacher. Kiryan's post already made the citation for: "More than half the city's 14 full-time lifeguards collected more than $150,000 in total compensation...

Teflor Lyorian

what is the maximum amount a lifeguard should ever be paid? I think that would depend on what the people of California collectively determine, as it is their tax dollars that is paying the salary. 211k may end up being reasonable as determined by Californians, who are currently drowning financially...

Teflor Lyorian

Still, you haven't refuted that there aren't any lifeguards that aren't pulling 200k in compensation. At all. The link to the park's recruitment website is fine, but that is by no means all of the lifeguards. I am not required to refute that claim. This is a thread expressing outrage that "lif...

Teflor Lyorian

http://www.labormarketinfo.edd.ca.gov/cgi/dataanalysis/areaselection.asp?tablename=occprj Total Estimated Employment California 339092 Lifeguards, Ski Patrol, and Other Recreational Protective Se 2008 - 2018 10,500 I'm not sure if they discount seasonal or temp employees. This data seems somewhat li...

Teflor Lyorian

amena wolfsnarl wrote:http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes339092.htm

This is whats classified as protective workers

That is the BLS definition. The CA state DOL does necessarily use the same definition.

Teflor Lyorian

note: not just lifeguards. could you help me find better numbers? i'd appreciate it k, give me a few. it might explain why california's budget is blown out of the water. Also, specifically to the overtime, note from Kiryan's post that the auditors mentioned that only the higher paid, permanent staf...

Teflor Lyorian

i work slightly over and get an extra $10 of overtime one day. there are 17,266 lifeguards working that year who also did the same, earning an extra $10 each. for that year, "taxpayers could have saved up to $172,668 in overtime". If there were that many lifeguards, you would expect the w...

Teflor Lyorian

Still, you haven't refuted that there aren't any lifeguards that aren't pulling 200k in compensation. At all. The link to the park's recruitment website is fine, but that is by no means all of the lifeguards. we have also failed to prove the nonexistence of Thor, god of thunder And yet, no argument...

Teflor Lyorian

The article presents a major argument on refinancing: "Mortgage refinancing activity doubled in white neighborhoods but dropped sharply in minority neighborhoods in a sample of major U.S. cities in 2008 and 2009, according to Paying More for the American Dream, an April study by a group of seve...

Teflor Lyorian

i work slightly over and get an extra $10 of overtime one day. there are 17,266 lifeguards working that year who also did the same, earning an extra $10 each. for that year, "taxpayers could have saved up to $172,668 in overtime". If there were that many lifeguards, you would expect the w...

Teflor Lyorian

The claim that lifeguards make an annual salary $200,000 is so far removed from reality that no rational person would even be willing to enter it into the realm of statements which could concievably be considered factual. There is no need for me or anyone else to "refute" this claim, as a...

Teflor Lyorian

Teflor, I think I see what you are getting at. In anticipation of higher prices in the future, gasoline distributors place their orders earlier, thus increasing current demand for one of the products of the oil refinery, gasoline. Thus refineries are forced to ramp up production, and they bid up th...

Teflor Lyorian

Ragorn wrote:Yeah, damn Ragorn for being able to Google effectively enough to call kiryan out on bullshit he made up.

It's just too bad you never refute anything actually important, like the $200k salaries.

Teflor Lyorian

It has nothing to do with people. In this case it is about the property. Mortgages are 'secured' debt, meaning that the debt is backed by the value of the property the mortgage was issued for. If the value of that property is projected to decline, why would you be stupid enough to issue a mortgage? ...

Teflor Lyorian

I don't think half of that really means anything, and the other half is completely made up... That's not specific enough for me to comment on. If you own a gas station and you expect the future price of gasoline from your suppliers to go up, you have to look at your operating funds with the underst...

Teflor Lyorian

Kiryan ,Teflor, I understand how speculation increases the FUTURE price of oil. Future contracts are traded in the market and reflect the anticipated price that it will cost for delivery of X amount of oil at Y location on Z date. But ultimately, all those speculators have to sell their contracts t...

Teflor Lyorian

Sarvis wrote:
Ragorn wrote:Overtime laws work off of hours per week, not hours per day.

My first reaction too, but I looked it up and he's right about California.

There are state laws and there are Federal laws. Don't understand how you could have a reaction at all.

Teflor Lyorian

the reality is capitalism is often about getting as close to the true value of a product as you can. No, the reality of capitalism is about getting as much money as you can regardless of the actual value of a product. In this post, Sarvis ignores half of the equation and somehow still expects to be...

Teflor Lyorian

Sarah Palin on Energy & Oil For the love of Pete: http://www.shopfloor.org/wp-content/uploads/aea-summary-final.pdf That was the plan from 2009. Incentivize plug-in hybrids, force big oil to produce on rented lands, extend state territorial waters so the states themselves can collect taxes on o...

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