why there is not dire only sword?

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why there is not dire only sword?

Postby kosaj » Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:11 pm

as like ranger got a windsong. a dire needs special one too!
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Postby Dalar » Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:17 pm

b/c there aren't any area gods that are dires i guess
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Postby Delmair Aamoren » Tue Aug 26, 2003 5:19 pm

Dires just aren't cool enough for a dire only sword. nuff said
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Postby kosaj » Tue Aug 26, 2003 6:08 pm

well. all dual wielders or melee damage classes got special. even bard and battlechanter.
goodie classes pally anti pally ranger got special. but no dire.

so what a sense? all melee classes got specials except warriors and dires?

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Postby Treladian » Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:51 pm

Probably because dires are still relatively new and no god's felt like making a long and complicated quest for one yet in addition to making the right kind of area for it to go into, plus bugging Garguath to code the thing. But I think both rangers and dires need epic quest bows more than swords in any case.
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Postby Yalar » Sat Aug 30, 2003 6:38 pm

I for one totaly agrea with kosaj. We don't have anything that makes us as a class stand out. We don't have ANY weapons or stuff we can use that is Dire quest. It would be nice to have somthing a Dire can be proud to wield that signifies him as a class. anyways Dires are WAY cooler than a ranger.....smell better too.
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Postby amolol » Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:40 pm

i agree with the dire's are cooler part but you definetly dont smell better try bathing at least once a year for a start then lets go from there k?
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Postby kosaj » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:11 pm

hey. Gruumsh and me hates bathing. thats why we hate and kill elf.
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Postby Yalar » Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:27 am

Where am i gonna find a bath in DK? Where is there a bath in Orc hometown? Anyways we don need baths...if we took as many baths as an elf...we wouldn't be as skilled, we don't stop training for anything except for the occasional roast hafling.
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Postby Yayaril » Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:32 am

8)

You could bathe in the fountain and pretend like you're on that show, Friends.
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Postby Yalar » Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:05 pm

Can you picture a bunch of orcs giggling, smiling, and laughing in a fountain?
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Postby amolol » Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:24 pm

who says i stop training when i bathe? see the problem is you dont have any one to bathe you...go down to calimport and grab some slaves then you can train wile doing many other things
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Postby Yalar » Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:29 pm

Orc no need them....Yalar has plenty Orc women we don't need slaves to help us...we orcs don't need to bath and smell repulsive...we smell like earth so we can hide and not be detected by anyone. We can smell an elfie who juss took a bath a mile away.
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Postby moritheil » Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:26 pm

I heard a rumor to the effect that orc only items are in the works.

Of course, it's just a rumor.
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Postby Dalar » Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:28 pm

moritheil wrote:I heard a rumor to the effect that orc only items are in the works.

Of course, it's just a rumor.


orcs own! i got 3 of em :)
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Postby Ionari » Sat Sep 06, 2003 4:04 am

I do not see any dire need for Orcs to have any special weapons to themselves.
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Postby Yalar » Sat Sep 06, 2003 3:23 pm

It is not a necesity...but fairness i feel. I don't see any NEED for elf's to have their own weapons or humans. juss would be a nice thing to get an item only you can use and such...
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Postby Dalar » Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:13 am

instead of "gimme gimme gimme" why not post some ideas about what you would want in a dire raider only weapon?
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Postby Gura » Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:29 am

if they made avernus orc or dire only i'd play mine
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Postby Caedym » Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:19 pm

Dalar wrote:instead of "gimme gimme gimme" why not post some ideas about what you would want in a dire raider only weapon?


I agree.

Perhaps in the interest of fairness, if anyone is knowledgeable enough on Sojourn, they could list all the class-only items (with stats) that currently exist. We could then do an item by item direct comparison.

I'm not sure another sword is the way to go tho. Don't we have enough of those? I remember reading how most players wanted alternate weapon types. Doesn't Gruumsh (sp?) One Eye, head of the Orc pantheon, use a torch as a weapon? That would be easy enough since it is nothing more then a blunt weapon perm light source. Course it would be interesting if it could proc a form of setting mobs on fire.

What is all out there anyways?

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Postby Delmair Aamoren » Fri Sep 12, 2003 3:34 pm

You can already use one of the best weapons in the game, that is otherwise severely restricted. I'd have to say shut yer piehole =P
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Postby mynazzaraxxsyn » Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:08 pm

Hmm and this "one of the best weapons in the game" would be? I don't think anyone asking for a dire only sword has said it has to kick so much ass just wielding it makes you win. they want something special to dires like rangers have wangsong.
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Postby moritheil » Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:54 pm

mynazzaraxxsyn wrote:Hmm and this "one of the best weapons in the game" would be? I don't think anyone asking for a dire only sword has said it has to kick so much ass just wielding it makes you win. they want something special to dires like rangers have wangsong.


I'm pretty sure WangSong, as you so gloriously dubbed it, was orc wieldable for a time. I know of at least one other item that has race restricts that an orc has managed to wear.

I imagine something like this is what Del was alluding to.

Orc players, hurry and post with yer wish list of stats! :P
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Postby Yalar » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:18 pm

Well...stats hrmmm. I don't know realy. But i did love that torch idea it was a good idea or maybe have a 1 handed axe or somtin. and mynazzaraxxsyn it doesn't have to be best item in game just somthing that is a thing that has to do with and orc/dire.
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Postby Dalar » Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:45 pm

what about a falchion? like those orc dire raider dudes in warcraft 3?
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Postby Delmair Aamoren » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:16 am

Yah, right now, according to my most recent vellum scroll:
Deathknell bits are as follows: Item is: MAGIC NODROP ANTI-GOOD ANTI-NEUTRAL FLOAT TWOHANDS ANTI-WARRIOR ANTI-RANGER ANTI-PALADIN ANTI-CLERIC ANTI-INVOKER ANTI-DRUID ANTI-SHAMAN ANTI-ENCHANTER ANTI-NECROMANCER ANTI-ELEMENTALIST ANTI-PSIONICIST ANTI-THIEF ANTI-LICH .....
nowhere in there does it say !orc. or !dire for that matter, so all you orcs go wield deathknell and be super-antis.
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Postby Dalar » Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:47 am

Delmair Aamoren wrote:Yah, right now, according to my most recent vellum scroll:
Deathknell bits are as follows: Item is: MAGIC NODROP ANTI-GOOD ANTI-NEUTRAL FLOAT TWOHANDS ANTI-WARRIOR ANTI-RANGER ANTI-PALADIN ANTI-CLERIC ANTI-INVOKER ANTI-DRUID ANTI-SHAMAN ANTI-ENCHANTER ANTI-NECROMANCER ANTI-ELEMENTALIST ANTI-PSIONICIST ANTI-THIEF ANTI-LICH .....
nowhere in there does it say !orc. or !dire for that matter, so all you orcs go wield deathknell and be super-antis.


doesn't proc for them I bet. owned
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Postby kosaj » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:31 pm

how about this idea

Dire raider epic quest:
Retrieving Gruumsh's the right eye for pride
also Gruumsh gives an order to slay Ilneval and retrieve his longsword since Ilneval secretly covets Gruumsh's position, and Gruumsh does not entirely trust him.

for reward he gives a longsword encrusted with his eye to his new horde leader.

longsword has proc paralsys from eye of Gruush and !sleep
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Postby Treladian » Tue Sep 23, 2003 6:15 pm

You realize that for the majority of halfelves, windy only procs 2 extra attacks on average, don't you? Paralysis is MUCH more powerful than that.
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Postby kosaj » Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:01 am

Treladian wrote:You realize that for the majority of halfelves, windy only procs 2 extra attacks on average, don't you? Paralysis is MUCH more powerful than that.


what you think about rogue only weapon which gives extra attacks and also can change weapon for another proc + para poisoned in the battle?
at the result 8~10 attacks for every rounds + another procs + para(with poison)

what about bard and battlechanter only weapon does blind+buncha damage?
what about unholy avenger?

Lets See gythka which proc para, slow, and damage? gythka overpowered?
On Good side, Pally and Anti's nice 2H classes with decent tankin and charge ability. they can choose gythka or their ownage(with 2H bonus)

but Think on Evil side. Only warrior for 2h(without bonus). if he goes 2h, he lose shield block(if w/o shield worse tank skills than pally or anti) no shieldp or failable basher.

So what? its good if Good side got decent para proc melee classes, but its bad idea if Evil side have decent para proc melee classes?

Dire go 2h? Can you say pally and Anti go to 2w?

If you think windsong sucks, blame god. Why dire must stay suckin with ranger?

Also the idea on post mostly based on regular RP.
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Postby mynazzaraxxsyn » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:41 am

kosaj wrote:Why dire must stay suckin with ranger?


Because rangers need someone to suffer with them.
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Postby Treladian » Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:53 pm

First, gythka is !pali.

Second your idea for a quest is a bit lacking. Ilneval is a god. Not a demi or quasigod, but a god. Killing off a god that still has their full power is not something that any mortal can conceivably do. Kazgoroth is at least dormant and nowhere near as powerful as Ilneval. Full fledged deicide is a big no-no on Toril. Cyric got into quite a bit of hot water with the other gods over it even after being a deity for a while.

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