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this is getting insane :(

Postby silvea » Mon May 07, 2001 7:16 am

Yeah, a strange title for an idea but its insane and the ideas for it I hope somebody will post here.

There are anoying manny grey elves atm, more then the island can handle, most of the time 30+. This is mostly duing the upgrade of thief/rangers (ranged weapons) and the bonus attack.

The most easy selution for the problem on shortage on mobs (level 1 to 25) would be 3 or 4 new zones (really this manny are needed) but this takes way to much time and would be a bit overkill.

Another idea would be to make a 2e hometown for elves (ms or .....) would take less time but you got then you got low level elves running on main land.

All not perfect but still......

greetings,

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ps : Yeah, I'm a snake now, to crowded on em after 4 years
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Postby cherzra » Mon May 07, 2001 11:35 am

Ghore rules with 20 trolls going for the same 4 mobs Image
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Postby Sarvis » Mon May 07, 2001 1:15 pm

Heh... your theory of course is that there isn't a shortage of mobs over on the mainland. Which is wrong. Image

it's not really the increased ranger presence I think... it's that right now everyone is low level. In a couple weeks things will spread out some more... it's just that right now you've got a playerbase of 200 people sharing the same 5 or 6 newbie zones.

Sarvis

(Not that new zones for EM is a bad idea... but by the time they went in the problem will work itself out... heh.)
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Postby Nokie » Mon May 07, 2001 1:38 pm

I'm really looking forward to those 'wilderness' exp zones going in!
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Postby Tilandal » Mon May 07, 2001 4:48 pm

It may be bad on the island but its not much better out there at WD. Around WD there are about 4 newbie zones. Its funny to walk out to the Vally of Crush and see 3 people fighting in every room with a list of corpses half a page long.
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Postby Nilan » Mon May 07, 2001 5:00 pm

*Laugh* Silvea,

You damn surface elves as just spawning to dang much. What I think you need is some, population control.

I be honored to be of some assistance to you in eliminating err thinning the population of your pathetic surface race Image
hmm, starting with the rangers, even *grin*

payment for my services is of course, depending on the target, in platinum or gems, and payable in advance.
Please, do consider my generous offer.

*bow*

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Postby Malacar » Tue May 08, 2001 3:43 am

*shrugs*

I have to agree. Maybe the grids will help, but right now it's just flat out stupid. Too many new elves, and the sense of community we once had is shattered. People are doing whatever they damn well please, and it's just sad to see.

Oh well. *tips his glass back* Here's to the good old days, long since gone.



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Postby moritheil » Wed May 09, 2001 6:34 am

Mal - yeah, elves used to be so tight-knit :P I daresay we were even more communal than trolls in some instances, passing on eq and advice, and CRing players unknown to us.
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Postby Artikerus Blindhammer » Wed May 09, 2001 12:04 pm

Quite possibly you're letting the fact that there are "new" elves destroy that communal feeling. That's why I quit being an Elf - the veterans became assanine when other players come along.

Who says an Elf can't be elitist?:P

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Postby Malacar » Wed May 09, 2001 5:30 pm

Never said they couldn't. Image

Heck in the RPG, Grey Elves were considered to be snobs. Image

*shrugs*

I try to give everyone an equal chance until they prove to me they aren't worthy. It's happened a few times so far, but I've met some new friends too. And for that, I am grateful.


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Postby belleshel » Wed May 09, 2001 5:42 pm

Yah it was cool when all the elves knew each other, now a lotta wannabe greys came over for the extra attack Image *cough ragorn* Image.
Anyway sarvis is right. Em is crowded but all newbie areas are, give it a month and things wont seem so bad. Not much point in wasting immortal time trying to quickly throw in more newbie zones, which will not be needed in a months time. The grid has been added as well so there are even more em mobs to slay.
Wont argue with more zones to explore but..
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Postby Ragorn » Wed May 09, 2001 6:24 pm

EM did get the new zone, the forest grid. The mobs there are worth absolute ass experience compared to mobs from the other zones, but at least it's something.

I dunno.

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Postby Tasan » Wed May 09, 2001 7:42 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ragorn:
<B>EM did get the new zone, the forest grid. The mobs there are worth absolute ass experience compared to mobs from the other zones, but at least it's something.

I dunno.

- Ragorn

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Yeah, the one we explored seemed to be geared towards solo/dual ppl at lvl 25+, by which point most of us will have left. Doesn't make much sense to me at all, but what're ya gonna do.

Personally I'm gonna keep doing lame experience on things we CAN kill.

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Postby Sangdraxus Blackfire » Wed May 09, 2001 8:15 pm

Before you snobish elves continue your tyraid, spend some time in my home.... Bloodstone. You have NO idea of hard times, I LOATHE your weakness and whining.

*Walks away in disgust*


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Postby Malacar » Thu May 10, 2001 2:49 am

I sense envy... Angst... Hatred!

Hi Sang! Know that the elves love you! Image

I'm with... gasp!... Ragorn on this one. The grid exp is utterly worthless, and won't be used. I realize a quickie prog was used to generate them, but honestly, the mobs need tweaking. They are all classless, and not worth anything, even solo.

This probably holds true for all the grid zones.


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Postby belleshel » Thu May 10, 2001 3:02 am

Yupe,
Only way the grid gets used is for a high level player perhaps grabbing cash, its worth no-exp for even a small group..
Adding classes to the mobs would make things intresting Image
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Postby Tasan » Thu May 10, 2001 5:31 am

Hey Sang, least you can leave your home :P.

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Postby Sangdraxus Blackfire » Thu May 10, 2001 5:55 am

it is about the same with me... cept there are mountains in the way... before 5th level you need an escort lest you be jumped by wolves on the way down to the black knight...



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Postby Ragorn » Thu May 10, 2001 8:57 am

Sangdraxus,

I spent months living in bloodstone in another incarnation. It's not overwhelming. Suck it up, tough guy :P

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Postby cherzra » Thu May 10, 2001 10:44 am

And you shouldn't have 2 plat for the key before level 5 anyway Image
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Postby Malacar » Thu May 10, 2001 7:22 pm

Not to mention at least you have the OPTION of leaving your hometown. I find it fundamentally stupid that Elves are forced to stay in a small set of zones until level 20. 10 maybe. 15 viable. 20 is just gay. *shrugs* It'll never get changed, but I still hate it.

Messages should read that its hard to play a grey(like it does for evils), imho.



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Postby Sangdraxus Blackfire » Thu May 10, 2001 8:48 pm

MY LORD, you guys sure do have responses to my posts... it's like you guys have a Yahoo Group or something over the last 7 years of responses to every one of Sangy's posts... good to see... I will be out soon enough, I just need to get some RL work taken care of before I can comit full time...

Like it matters... I am still the best and first to 50 as an AP Image... nothing can take that away Image

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Postby Werg » Thu May 10, 2001 10:53 pm

Rofl Sang. Image
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Postby Galkar » Fri May 11, 2001 12:21 pm

Bah, leveling a grey elf is freakin easy :P The exp in some of those zones is outstanding.
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Postby rylan » Fri May 11, 2001 1:37 pm

Yeah, seriously. Just do a who s and you'll see that quite a few of the highest people are elves (notably elven clerics.. can we say lvl 40 holy word scroll? )
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Postby belleshel » Fri May 11, 2001 2:01 pm

Are elves hard to level right now? No.
Are elves usually hard to level...yes. We are lucky right now that there are a ton of classes to group with on the island, we group and do solid xp blocks. Try leveling an elf in a month or two, for many classes its downright painful trying to solo your way to 20;(. As for Malacar's suggestion about the warning, look at it this way:
1) we can't trade or group with any other races
2) we have to run by agros (that our own guards assist) to get to exp areas quite often
The life of a drow (at least sub20) is far easier than that of a grey elf Image DK exps *drool*

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Postby Malacar » Fri May 11, 2001 3:15 pm

Ah, but we can run ef every single boot, right?

*rolls his eyes*

Don't give me that crap. The scroll got taken out, and I for one am very very glad. Abusing loopholes to level is just lame.

You try leveling on an island with so few zones and mobs that are worth exp with 50 elves on. It's tiresome competing for mobs, and even items, especially when some of the folks that abused said loopholes repeatedly run through the zone getting all the items so newbies can't. *shrugs*

I can't wait to get off this rock. I'll throw a barbeque for it.


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Postby rylan » Fri May 11, 2001 3:23 pm

*nod* I can understand that, and I think the guards assisting the aggros sucks. But the thing is.. being stuck on the island till lvl 20 is the price you pay for being an elf. You're pretty much the only ones with access to the eq there (until people start getting Well). Don't get me wrong.. its hard at first, I'm not saying being stuck on EM is easy. But it does seem more annoying than how some of the evils have it. (gonna get shot at for that one. hehehhe! )
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Postby Sarvis » Fri May 11, 2001 3:50 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Malacar:
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It's tiresome competing for mobs, and even items, especially when some of the folks that abused said loopholes repeatedly run through the zone getting all the items so newbies can't. *shrugs*
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Heh... why do elves think all their problems will be solved when they reach the mainland? It's been stated before (in this thread no less) that there is just as much competition for mainland exp zones right now as there is on EM.

As for the high level people running zones for items so newbies can't... well that's always been my biggest complaint about sojourn. It was like 3 months before I found out where tiny silver rings came from because every time I looked at a cat burglar he was naked some other high level person had already gotten the eq even 15 minutes into a boot. In fact one time I was trying to get some with a group, and the MUD kept crashing... this one highbie kept beating us to the cat and killing it after every crash. :shrug:

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Postby belleshel » Fri May 11, 2001 4:03 pm

There is a word for that...I think it begins with a T....
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Postby Malacar » Fri May 11, 2001 5:08 pm

Twink? I'd think you could say that one out loud, Belleshel.

*shrugs* Not even gonna start.

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Postby belleshel » Fri May 11, 2001 6:08 pm

I haven't seen it so far on EM, and hopefully wont, but it happens.
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Postby Ragorn » Fri May 11, 2001 9:24 pm

First of all, the holy word scroll was removed when the highest elf was level SEVEN. Levelling to seven is ass easy, we just happened to find a loophole that let us do it in 6 hours instead of 9.

Secondly, newbie exp is a real pain on EM. I was lucky and got into the first wave of elves so there was less competition at first. In case you've never levelled up on EM, 95% of the mobs under level 10 flee. You have to chase down practically everything in kobold village, with aggro guards popping at random through the village.

We basically have three exp zones on EM. You start in kobold village, graduate to elder forest, and then move to drulak. Faerie forest and vale have some good mobs, but not many and they can't support more than one group. On the mainland you have competition for zones within 50 steps of waterdeep, but I bet if you walk a little further you'd find prime hunting ground.

The thing that's made levelling on EM easy is the frequent crashes in the first couple days. Some of the low level eq we could collect 9 or 10 times a day and distribute, so we have several solid tanks able to head up large groups. Plus, and this is something most of you said was worthless, grey elf agi means we have amazing armor class. Some of our tanks are rounding the -80 mark barked and armored. Their high dex means they parry and shieldblock like fiends too, much better than barbarian or ogre tanks.

Killing mobs as a group of elves is pretty easy, the hard part is finding good mobs to kill.

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Postby Malacar » Sat May 12, 2001 12:37 am

Sylvan vale mobs give dick exp. Most are either classless, or are so godawful powerful for their level it makes me sick. I like the zone overall, but the mobs there need a serious ass overhaul. I went there once with a tank a god had in Alpha, just to point out some flaws, and even he was surprised at how powerful mobs were for their level.

Drulak is basically the only option, with the exception of a couple of Elder forest mobs, for post 15. And even then, there's only a couple of places you can actually kill things in here without dying horribly... For instance(leaving out obvious hidden things, etc):

Drulak castle: Great mix, some stuff isn't possible at our level, but enough is to peak interest. A great sublet, and well written.

Lythari: With the exception of the room with 6(5?) mobs, it's tiny, but good to help clear trophy.

Bugbears: Sorry, nothing here to kill at our levels. Several mobs per room, all assist, kick your ass dead.

Bees: All mobs assist or are sentinal/assist. Not possible to do stuff here at the listed levels.

Giants: Great once you get high enough to do it. Image Well written too.

Lake: Decent, I used to do these for exp with a tank, not sure how it is now, I virtually skipped this during alpha.

Crocs: Too high a level, twinked repeatedly every boot.

Farmer is badass and can kick you down bigtime without stone. Has decent stuff, but not attainable til 21-25ish minimum, need stoneskin.

Temple: Boggle, some stuff here is aggressive to neutral, making it impossible to take 2 of the main classes on EM there. This shit is badass too. Let's see, EM has... Warriors, Rangers, Rogues, Enchanters, Invokers, Druids, Clerics... That's 7 classes right? 2 of which are forced to be neutral. Heh, walk in and group gets annihilated by aggro-neutral mobs. We tested this in Alpha, and it's just painful. I think a small change needs to be put in there for neutral folks. Might give a little more diversity or somfin.

Not to mention the 'eq rush to equip tanks', but I'm finding the same person or people are getting everything over and over, and get pissy when beat to it. I feel flames coming for that comment, but it's true.

The scroll was removed at 7 only because a player or two stepped forward to report it. It was abused, and I am STILL boggled as to why these players that abused this were not reset to level 1. I know a couple of them, and they knew damn well what they were doing. It wasn't an accident.

I'm kinda tired of it already, this dog-rush for mad exp, and doing the same stuff over and over, I expected it, but not this volume of time required. I may just retire for a while and write a zone or three for EM, then level later when I don't get so pissed off seeing some of the stuff I do on there.

Who knows.

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Postby Ragorn » Sat May 12, 2001 12:47 am

Malacar -

It's easy to point out what's abuse and what's not when you aren't the one doing it.

If I walked up to you and said "let's go over to split shield, I found a one charge ice storm staff, we can rock an entire room full of drunks at once," would you go or would you cry abuse?

The "abuse" took place in the room with the 3 fleeing miners, who are about level 12. There's no better place we could find with mobs killable in one shot by holy word. It resulted in about >>>>>> worth of experience each time at level 4 or 5 for each member of the group. The reason it was so PROMINENT was that we were crashing every hour, and thus could search the scroll out every hour. I found this no more abusive in its own right than someone "twinking" the cure critic and remove poison potions in the WD faerie forest after each crash.

The admins made the right decision in removing the scroll, though I'd like to see it relocated to someplace inaccessible to low levels. It was a good item for higher level characters, it was just too easy to reach.

And by the way, I'll make it known that this scroll was, in fact, available at the beginning of the LAST wipe, and it was used abundantly then as well.

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Postby Malacar » Sat May 12, 2001 12:52 am

This is abuse in it's purest form, you defending it is just...

It may have been there at last wipe, but elves weren't so popular then, none of the changes were in, etc. So the few that were there, and the few that knew it, did it discreetly, not banging level after level right off the bat.

And for the record, no. I wouldn't go with them to level using a loophole. Maybe on a twink later on when I had already gotten my levels and felt that it was justified. I fear being deleted. I guess that's what seperates us.

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Postby Ragorn » Sun May 13, 2001 1:29 am

I give up trying to argue with you Malacar. You're always right, I'm always wrong.

I give.

You sure you're not a Paladin? I didn't think an enchanter could be THAT self-righteous.

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Postby Malacar » Sun May 13, 2001 4:05 am

Nah, not a Paladin. Just not someone that abuses loopholes and bugs then tries to defend themselves.

Thank you, drive through.


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