New Class?
New Class?
I was thinking what would be awesome is a new class, just a regular mage. on creation of the mage, the MUD would issue them a random spell list, where as they would be given 4-5 random first level spells, 3-4 random second level spells, and so on, just to make it more of a roleplaying thing rather than, OH, you're an enchanter, well I know that you get enchant weapon at whatever level, I'll bring you along with me in my group. Just a thought.
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kiryan
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that would be neat. but how would you balance it? It would be much easier to be able to pick one of several preset list of spells (which if you think about it is exactly what we have heh).
I mean you could end up with force missiles at 41, dragon scales at 46, displace at 26, globe at 36, ect... wouldnt that be sick and wrong?
I mean you could end up with force missiles at 41, dragon scales at 46, displace at 26, globe at 36, ect... wouldnt that be sick and wrong?
I had the idea of bringing back sorcerers, and at 20th where they got the option to "specialize (spellcast type)" they turned into that particular class. beit illusion, invocation, conjuration, necromancy, etc..
Giving the option to remain a "general mage" as it were and the option to be one of the more specific classes. But I don't think it really caught on
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Giving the option to remain a "general mage" as it were and the option to be one of the more specific classes. But I don't think it really caught on
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Take the most interesting parts of enchanters and invokers, lower its power a bit, combine it, and you have sorcerors.
The less the classes, the more skills to go around to the existing ones.
Lepdar: Kiryan actually makes a good point here (in less then 2000 words too!). Your idea would just be twinked by people with enough time on their hands to keep leveling mages up til they have one with all the best spells. People that want a well rounded mage class can be illusionists. Smirk.
Corth
The less the classes, the more skills to go around to the existing ones.
Lepdar: Kiryan actually makes a good point here (in less then 2000 words too!). Your idea would just be twinked by people with enough time on their hands to keep leveling mages up til they have one with all the best spells. People that want a well rounded mage class can be illusionists. Smirk.
Corth
Hrmm... My whole point is not to have a "standard" if being twinked out is a concern, weigh each spell based on how twinky it is, and make it only so that if you get a really good spell at such a level, then the other really good spells won't be even able to be part of the random spell list. *shrug* sounds complicated, but I think it would be kinda cool to not have every character of a class EXACTLY like every other in that class.
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kiryan
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Nod ledpar it would be neat, but what youd have to do is say if they got displace at 26 they couldnt get dscales at 46 or force missiles at 36. If they got stone at 21 then they couldnt get inferno or displace, ect... In the end, youd have so many exclusions that there would be no randomness. Youd have 4 or 5 or 10 or 15 spell lists or you would know your eventual spell list by the time you hit 26. None of those scenarios does your idea justice.
For most of the spells your idea is good, but really most of the spells are not what you cast. Its the select spells which are uber powerful that define each class. These spells themselves are not balanced, but balance classes.
For most of the spells your idea is good, but really most of the spells are not what you cast. Its the select spells which are uber powerful that define each class. These spells themselves are not balanced, but balance classes.
Now, I know Lepdar in RL, and I don't think his idea is really coming across the way he meant it to.
Basically, what the idea is really ISN'T for a twinky type class, it's more for a role-playing perspective. Like he said, instead of everyone saying "Oh, you're an invoker, NUKE the bastard!" maybe we could have the random spell lists something like a mix...
Instead of say, an invoker getting all nukes, and an enchanter getting all defense, have one of the spell lists 1/2 defense/offense, or maybe 80% offense with say, EShield or something along those lines.
<shrug> It's an interesting idea, and I feel a pretty good one if it's implemented properly.
Just my half-awake ramblings from the incredible cubicle jungle I call "work"
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Basically, what the idea is really ISN'T for a twinky type class, it's more for a role-playing perspective. Like he said, instead of everyone saying "Oh, you're an invoker, NUKE the bastard!" maybe we could have the random spell lists something like a mix...
Instead of say, an invoker getting all nukes, and an enchanter getting all defense, have one of the spell lists 1/2 defense/offense, or maybe 80% offense with say, EShield or something along those lines.
<shrug> It's an interesting idea, and I feel a pretty good one if it's implemented properly.
Just my half-awake ramblings from the incredible cubicle jungle I call "work"
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Taegost:
<B>Now, I know Lepdar in RL, and I don't think his idea is really coming across the way he meant it to.
Basically, what the idea is really ISN'T for a twinky type class, it's more for a role-playing perspective. Like he said, instead of everyone saying "Oh, you're an invoker, NUKE the bastard!" maybe we could have the random spell lists something like a mix...
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I would definitely support this if it were done OK. However, the problem that we were discussing was that it would wind up being abused and exploited to become twinky.
<B>Now, I know Lepdar in RL, and I don't think his idea is really coming across the way he meant it to.
Basically, what the idea is really ISN'T for a twinky type class, it's more for a role-playing perspective. Like he said, instead of everyone saying "Oh, you're an invoker, NUKE the bastard!" maybe we could have the random spell lists something like a mix...
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I would definitely support this if it were done OK. However, the problem that we were discussing was that it would wind up being abused and exploited to become twinky.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Corth:
<B>Heh nah, there were many spec fire and spec protection sorc's.. and then galas started a trend of spec enchantment clerics for those huge vits.
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nog... Joth was known for vits I member, he always said other clerics could spec healing, he'd vit, and it would make a better team.
<B>Heh nah, there were many spec fire and spec protection sorc's.. and then galas started a trend of spec enchantment clerics for those huge vits.
Corth</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
nog... Joth was known for vits I member, he always said other clerics could spec healing, he'd vit, and it would make a better team.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shevarash:
<B>Other plans are now in the idea stage to diversify mages...
A generic class ain't gonna happen though.
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Actually, the idea is quite the opposite... It will get rid of a "generic" class...
By making several incarnations of it... Kinda like a grab bag of sorts... If you take it, you'll be less powerful overall, but you *might* have a chance for something good, or at least decent... To add some RP spice for people who like something different, like Dwarven Tapdancers or ahhh... Troll Invokers...
<shrug>
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<B>Other plans are now in the idea stage to diversify mages...
A generic class ain't gonna happen though.
</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually, the idea is quite the opposite... It will get rid of a "generic" class...
By making several incarnations of it... Kinda like a grab bag of sorts... If you take it, you'll be less powerful overall, but you *might* have a chance for something good, or at least decent... To add some RP spice for people who like something different, like Dwarven Tapdancers or ahhh... Troll Invokers...
<shrug>
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Taegost, The one and ONLY STUPER DRUID(tm)
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