Sarvis wrote:teflor the ranger wrote:Heh. You're full of it.
This is what you consider fighting honestly and explaining everything?
What could we expect from someone oath bound to Bush I guess...
Ahem:
Sarvis wrote:You need different licenses for different vehicles because they take different skills to drive AND anyone driving one without those skills becomes a danger to others.
You Were Wrong(Commercial licenses cover just about all types of vehicles.)
Sarvis wrote:Again, however, not everyone accepts that the "accepted" forms of discrimination are actually a good thing.
You Were Wrong(We put criminals in jail, and we keep child molesters away from day care centers.)
Sarvis wrote:Well guess what, conservatives aren't worth listening to either.
You Were Wrong(They won over the general populace and took the elections in a clean sweep. The presidency, the house, and the senate. That's REAL ULTIMATE POWER.)
Sarvis wrote:He was still right about the Greeks...
You Were Wrong(He said "sex for pleasure was almost NEVER done with the opposite sex" which if true Greek society wouldn't have had the problems of the rape and prostitution of women)
Sarvis wrote:In previous posts you have advanced what seems to be an argument stating that bigotry is fine and good simply because the "other side" hasn't presented a convincing argument yet.
You Were Wrong(Everyone I've spoken to following the thread seems to realize that I'm against Bigotry. Particuarly the kind you espouse.)
Sarvis wrote:Granted there are regional differences, so as always when someone says "all" of something they are automatically wrong. All three of us are currently guilty of that with this issue.
You Were Wrong(I never said anything of the sort. I merely indicated that there was that kind of problem in Greek society.)
Sarvis wrote:Well, you were talking about all of Greece then and YOU ARE WRONG.
You Were Wrong(Notice the repetitive pattern of false statements. Indicating that ancient Greek society had certain problems, does not speak of all of ancient Greece. Much in the way that violent crime would be a problem in American society, yet not all regions have this problem.)
Sarvis wrote:For all your talk of proper arguments, it seems as though your point here is simply that liberals are not worth listening to.
You Were Wrong(Actually, I'm slightly liberal on this subject, seeing as how I do not oppose gay marriage. Furthermore, I have even argued for gay marriage in this thread. Certainly, I think that I am worth listening to.)
Sarvis wrote:Look, you said it was pure bullshit to say Greeks admired homosexuality.
You Were Wrong(I specifically refuted "6. In Ancient Greek and Roman societies, sex for pleasure was almost NEVER done with the opposite sex.")
Sarvis wrote:So go on with your current tactic of calling every argument for gay marraige bullshit, while trying to appear so damn morally superior, which you are accusing liberals of by the way, by claiming to argue responsibly. Good job. Asshat.
You Were Wrong(I never called my own arguments for gay marriage into question. "Good job. Asshat.")
Sarvis wrote:Now you are claiming that you argued for gay marriage when two posts ago yo usaid you maintained no position on it at all!
You Were Wrong(I claimed I had made arguments for gay marriage, I did not claim to support gay marriage.)
Sarvis wrote:You are trolling, and blatantly at that. You don't care about actual debate, you just want to piss everyone off and you're doing a damn good job of it too.
You Were Wrong(I've spoken to some outside observers and they seem to believe that you're the one trolling. Furthermore, my posts have been reviewed and they remain on the thread which remains open.)
Sarvis wrote:You are wrong because you said Greece, not some regions of Greece.
You Were Wrong(I had said ancient Greek society, or perhaps just Greek society, not Greece. A society gives no particular reference to it's circumferance or domain, but rather the problem exists. It can be a sepecific regional problem or a fully distributed one, the discernment is not made.
You are again making bullshit up and stuffing it in my mouth. It's slander.)
Sarvis wrote:I said Rer was right about Greeks and homosexuality.
You Were Wrong(We've already spoken about degrees. Something you don't seem to understand.)
Sarvis wrote:IF yo uare really trying to shut down the slander and ignorance, why are you engaging in such slanderous tactics?
You Were Wrong(I've not made up anything, or told other people what you thought, or what you claimed. Most often I quote you directly.)
Sarvis wrote:1) A claim that the original claim was Bullshit
2) Two unrelated points to support your claim if it being bullshit.
You are now trying to completely disregard 1) and focus only on 2).
You Were Wrong(I stand by my claim, I have not refuted it. This was in relation to 'fact' number 6, which has been shown to be false.)
Sarvis wrote:So you are now claiming the the Greeks almost ALWAYS engaged in a form of sex which they did not admire?
You Were Wrong(No. I'm claimed that Rer was incorrect.)
Sarvis wrote:which means you think Greeks almost ALWAYS have straight sex.
You Were Wrong(We've been over this.)
Sarvis wrote:You've explained nothing, put forth nothing useful and fought only the straw men you put forht.
You Were Wrong(I explained degrees pretty well.)
Sarvis wrote:So what you are saying is that this entire page could have been averted if you had engaged in honest debate and said the actual truth, which is apparently somewhere between "Greeks very rarely have straight sex" and "Greeks very rarely have gay sex" rather than just being offensive and calling bullshit on everyone's arguments?
You Were Wrong(No, what I was saying is that this entire page could have been averted if you understood the fact that only a two dimensional universe could contain only things with two or fewer sides.)
Sarvis wrote:Stop learning how to argue from the GOP playbook, it is the fast track to irresponsible debate.
You Were Wrong(Actually, I wrote my own playbook in the ten weeks I was active in my high school debate club way back when. Also, the "they were wrong" tactic of argumentation was used by Zell Miller, a nearly life-time Democrat.)
Sarvis wrote:Bullshit is deceit
You Were Wrong(I had posted the definition of Bullshit. Read it again. You have this habit of taking just exactly what you want to see in something and then presenting it as a fact. This is the kind of irresponsible bullshit I have been speaking about.)
Sarvis wrote:You are doing everything you accuse liberals of, and then cop out by saying I'm ignorant.
You are Obviously Wrong(I think enough has been said. I've not copped out,
but you continue to make false statements, slander me, and make false claims and accusasions from your own ignorant, irresponsible interpretations of what it is I am saying. I've posted at length in the noble spirit in the fight against Ignorance.)
There is one more thing which I MUST slam you for.
Sarvis wrote:What could we expect from someone oath bound to Bush I guess...
This is by far the most ignorant slanderous bullshit that I have EVER heard. You are a moron, your fundamental LACK OF ANY IDEA WHATSOEVER of how this nation works is astounding. You DISGRACE ALL AMERICANS WHOM LOVE THEIR COUNTRY OR HAVE EVER SERVED. MILLIONS of Volunteers Gave the ULTIMATE SACRIFICE TO UPHOLD THAT OATH WHICH YOU MOCK. You disgust me.
Do yourself a favor and return to the topic.