Sarvis

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What do you think of Sarvis?

I find his posts intriguing, and would like to subscribe to his newsletter.
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5%
He has good points sometimes, but doesn't always back his ideas up very well.
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7%
He doesn't bother me, and I don't care about him at all.
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12%
Sarvis isn't so bad, I'm just sick of seeing him and Teflor go at it!
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His attitude can be abrasive, but I've seen worse.
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He's a total jerk who never knows when to shut up.
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24%
This forum would be better off without him!
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29%
 
Total votes: 41
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Postby Sarvis » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:16 am

I was talking to Teflor in game earlier, and he made the suggestion that tons or people dislike my posts on the forum. Even in one case he apparently got several tells after the first time he disputed one of my posts.

So I decided to put this to the test, and see if I really am being such a jerk around here.

Honestly I know I can be condescending at times, and angry at others... but I also think I keep that in check much better than the internet population at large. So maybe I'm just wrong, or I'm missing something in my posts or just writing in such a way that it sounds different to others than it does in my head.

Thus, the poll and the thread.

If you vote try and give reason, let me know what I am doing wrong as specifically as possible. It is the only way I could possibly correct my behavior right?


Also, I will not be posting further in this thread for the very specific reason that it would just lead to a bitter argument.

EDIT: Oh yeah, that first option is a Simpsons reference. There is not an actual newsletter. ;)
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Postby teflor the ranger » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:00 am

Sarvis, a piece of honest advice, there is nothing for you to learn from the poll you have posted here.

At best, this is an insincere attempt to ask other people about what they think of you, channeled into some wierd pre-scripted selections of your choosing.

If you honestly wanted people's honest opinion of you, I would suggest that you approach them in an honest, sincere manner, and listen to what it is they have to say.

We're people, with opinions and observations, thoughts and our own ideas. Not objects to have polls thrown at us on such topics as to how we feel about other people.

Furthermore, you're demeaning yourself as to believe that there's only six or so ways that other people can feel about you.

I'm not going to place a vote in your poll, but I will give to you my honest opinion here, available for you should you wish to read it.

I believe you are lacking in coping skills essential to success in society. Everything seems to become a personal issue with you, and your actions seem to be taken for the sole purpose of perserving your ego. You always have to be right, no matter what. You'll go to any length to justify what you do to other people, be as offensive as you want, be as angry as you want, because you feel it's someone else's fault. Furthermore, you don't stop until you feel as if you have won the arguement, even if you have to make the argument up yourself.

Furthermore, I believe you are intelligent enough to see all of this for yourself. My breath is probably wasted here, but I just wanted to let you know that I don't think you're just a one sentance selection in a poll. In the end, you have your loved ones, and their opinion of you is what really matters over all. Don't mind the asses that post here with whatever negative comments they have to muster.

Anyway, in our conversation on the mud, I agreed to help make you feel more welcome on the board. I hope this is a step towards that.
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Postby Tasan » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:07 am

Where's the Sarvis and Teflor need to get a fucking room option?

Take yer fucking shit to private messages, the rest of us are sick of yer internet penis fight. And yes, I do speak for everyone else.
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Postby Shar » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:11 am

Sarvis,

I really don't want to watch you do this to yourself. What others have to say can be truly harsh when given the go ahead to do so. Keep in mind that what you learn by doing this can't ever be undone. This is friendly advice not a slap in the face. This form of critisizm can be very very unhealthy for your sense of who you are. If you are OK with who you are, thats what matters.

I do hope you learn what you are seeking to know. :) and for the record, I did not vote.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:16 am

Tasan wrote:Take yer fucking shit to private messages, the rest of us are sick of yer internet penis fight. And yes, I do speak for everyone else.


If you didn't want to read it, don't click on the thread. What a crude post.
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Postby amolol » Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:22 am

sarvis what do you think would happen if i made a post like this. i would finaly hafto accept the fact that there are like 3-4 ppl here on the mud that give a rats ass about me and the rest prolly hate me/could care less. so.. this is a bad idea imho.


i know i know bad analagy im sorry
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Postby ssar » Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:50 am

hmm, this would mean I would have to actually browse and read significant numbers and content of your posts sarvis, and I dont really wanna do that.

I'll take a look at that voting options again.

.. hmm I vote: "Sarvis doesnt appear all that bad, I'm just sick of ppl with flamewar fetishishes."
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Postby Ambar » Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:28 am

I'm not voting but I will respond .. (rofl i just hate polls:P)

You aren't THAT bad ..

cancer is worse

seriously tho .. you aren't that bad when you are conversating not debating EVERYTHING .. when you are participating in a give/take that doesn't involve flames, you are fine ... it's just the attitude that needs to be changed i think ..

people can talk about the taste of water for 12 pages and it's fine as long as people respect eachothers viewpoint and it doesnt turn into personal flames ...

after all, everyone's opinion matters to THEM .. it isnt right or wrong, it isnt YOUR job to try to make everyone come around to your point of view

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Postby Sarvis » Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:12 pm

I know, said I wouldn't post... but just one quick thing for ssar and Tasan:

I think this is the option you're looking for:

"Sarvis isn't so bad, I'm just sick of seeing him and Teflor go at it!"

It's funny how everyone who has posted so far claims to have not voted... so the people voting that I should take off don't care to tell me how to improve myself. :(
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Postby Jhorr » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:52 pm

Sarvis,

Your poll is not a scientific one so be careful drawing any conclusions from it. The people who vote are a self-selected group and are interested in this thread for their own personal and unknown reasons (i.e., they are biased). They are not a random sample of those who read this BBS. In other words, you'd be wise to ignore whatever result you get.
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Postby Kifle » Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:22 pm

Tasan wrote:Where's the Sarvis and Teflor need to get a fucking room option?

Take yer fucking shit to private messages, the rest of us are sick of yer internet penis fight. And yes, I do speak for everyone else.


Yup.
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Postby Ambar » Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:26 pm

Sarvis wrote:It's funny how everyone who has posted so far claims to have not voted... so the people voting that I should take off don't care to tell me how to improve myself. :(


It isn't a claim .. I didn't vote
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Postby Llaaldara » Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:54 pm

Sarvis wrote: so the people voting that I should take off don't care to tell me how to improve myself. :(


Take a vacation from the internet. The fact that you couldn't keep your own word about not posting speaks for itself. (you didn't even last 24 hours dude)

I didn't vote either. I think I need the Tasan option too. :P
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Postby Sephraem » Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:22 am

Tasan wrote:Where's the Sarvis and Teflor need to get a fucking room option?

Take yer fucking shit to private messages, the rest of us are sick of yer internet penis fight. And yes, I do speak for everyone else.
Err, Tasan, you don't quite speak for everyone else. I'll agree that a great deal of their *ahem* 'discussion' could have taken place a little less publicly, but it hasn't been entirely valueless in the public domain.

There have been times when the argument has been quite entertaining, times when it has been interesting, and times when it has been infuriating. The best thing to do, I find, when I don't want to read about the fighting, is to skip over those posts and read the ones that remain on topic. The people who post just to complain that Teflor and Sarvis have gone off topic are far more irritating to me, but I just skip those posts, too.

Additionally, I find that Sarvis can be polite and well-mannered. Ultimately, Sarvis and I had a civilised debate towards the end of a thread where he had previously been going at it with Teflor and a number of other people.

Sarvis, I would say that you have a tendency to be stubborn to the extent that you blinker yourself. In some cases, you'll (probably inadvertantly) misunderstand or interpret something in a way that clearly isn't meant. You also take criticism quite badly, and given that, I admire your courage in asking for it openly.

Something to bear in mind is that someone who attacks your viewpoint isn't necessarily attacking you. Obvious as that sounds, when a subject is dear to your heart, it's easy to feel personally involved with the debate, and a person and his argument almost seem to fuse into a single entity.

I'm really pleased to hear that you and Teflor have talked out some of your issues. Maybe now we're in for some joy and harmony, and you two will never quarrel again? ;)

Well, hopefully not as much, anyway. :D
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Postby Corth » Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:13 am

how about a 'This poll is stupid" option?
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Postby Vahok » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:00 am

I hate working the weekends, I miss the real interesting stuff on here. I'm tired and I doubt responding to this is a good idea.

Sarvis, for what it is worth...we all have our good days and bad on here I figure. I try to let things go and hope people don't take shit on here too serious. In the end, if you can sleep comfortably at night, does anything on the boards really matter?

Cheers!
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Postby amolol » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:08 am

has anybody votted yet? i havent cause they all seemed like semi negative responces. its a setup question set sarvis
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Postby Vorkul Tigerclaw » Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:38 pm

Wow...


If the people's opinions that browse this forum mean that much to you, I seriously think you need to take a break.

This is just sad.
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Postby Ashiwi » Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:53 pm

Kifle wrote:
Tasan wrote:Where's the Sarvis and Teflor need to get a fucking room option?

Take yer fucking shit to private messages, the rest of us are sick of yer internet penis fight. And yes, I do speak for everyone else.


Yup.


What they said.

One of the best pieces of advice I got years ago was "Learn how to choose your battles." I'm still not an expert on it and get myself in trouble with my mouth way too often, but I'm getting better. Let it go, man, the more you take offense, the more offensive you become, and it's really not worth it. I'm sure you're a great guy face to face, but on this BBS you're taking everything way too personally.

I figure if people feel a need to gossip about me, then I'm fairly tickled I could make such a lasting impression and could give them meaning to their otherwise desolate lives. The more grandstanding you do, the more fuel you add to your own fire. You know nobody wants to hear it anymore, so why keep puking it all over a public board?
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Postby rer » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:18 pm

I voted. And it wasn't in favor of you. I'm not a big fan of most of your posts. On the rare occasion that I even read them anymore, I am disgusted by the fact that you think you can win a debate with someone through personal attacks. The same goes for Teflor. We can set up a private BBS for the two of you, throw up a new topic each week, and let you two go to town on each other if you want. Maybe Amolol can join you two.

I'm sure you're a great person, and you do, occasionally, put something of value into the Forums. But not lately. Lately it has just been whining and bitching and flaming. Get over it, get over yourself, and ignore Teflor, since he seems to be such a thorn in your side.
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Postby Kifle » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:52 pm

I say we all chip in, buy them both plane tickets, build a cage and drop various melee weapons and let them go at it.
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Postby rer » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:53 pm

Kifle wrote:I say we all chip in, buy them both plane tickets, build a cage and drop various melee weapons and let them go at it.


I'll chip in for that!
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Postby Llaaldara » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:59 pm

Kifle wrote:I say we all chip in, buy them both plane tickets, build a cage and drop various melee weapons and let them go at it.


Think chicken wire would suffice?
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Postby Sephraem » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:21 pm

Kifle wrote:I say we all chip in, buy them both plane tickets, build a cage and drop various melee weapons and let them go at it.

Shall we drop you in, too, so you can referee? ;)
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Postby Ashiwi » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:24 pm

The problem with that is that Teflor is so cool in person that I wouldn't want to subject him to that kind of torture. Ya know, Sarvis is probably pretty cool in person, too.

So David... what deep-seated neurosis causes you to take Sarvis so personally? Sarvis, what childhood issues cause you to take Teflor so personally? There has to be some weird energy there that causes this friction. Are you sure you two don't have a crush on each other?
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Postby teflor the ranger » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:34 pm

I could suggest reading the thread before posting, but sadly, if it has to be said, the breath is probably wasted.

You'll find that much about my side is manufactuered, and that I don't take anything personally (except for a PJ aka: punch in the junk). I'm also not the one starting discussion around it.

Of course, I add my two cents in just about every time, but it's not like you didn't add yours, Ashiwi.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:36 pm

rer wrote:I voted. And it wasn't in favor of you. I'm not a big fan of most of your posts. On the rare occasion that I even read them anymore, I am disgusted by the fact that you think you can win a debate with someone through personal attacks. The same goes for Teflor. We can set up a private BBS for the two of you, throw up a new topic each week, and let you two go to town on each other if you want. Maybe Amolol can join you two.


And your sarcastic bishing is just so awesome. So many hippocrites...
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Postby Salen » Mon Feb 14, 2005 7:44 pm

teflor the ranger wrote:I don't take anything personally (except for a PJ aka: punch in the junk).



Yeah!!!
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Postby Kifle » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:14 am

How do you become a hippocrite? Does it involve wrangling up a few hippos and doing "dirty" things to them while drunk?
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Postby teflor the ranger » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:59 am

Kifle wrote:How do you become a hippocrite? Does it involve wrangling up a few hippos and doing "dirty" things to them while drunk?


I thought that was hippophilia.
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Postby Kifle » Tue Feb 15, 2005 6:16 pm

teflor the ranger wrote:
Kifle wrote:How do you become a hippocrite? Does it involve wrangling up a few hippos and doing "dirty" things to them while drunk?


I thought that was hippophilia.


Nah, that would be any time...not just while your drunk :)
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Postby teflor the ranger » Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:15 pm

Being drunk is an excuse?
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Postby Kifle » Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:55 pm

I wouldn't give it to Arilin's mom if it weren't.
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Postby Mitharx » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:34 am

I think he meant hippogryph. Everyone knows being a bitch on the forums can get you turned into a hippogryph.
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Postby Arilin Nydelahar » Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:29 am

Kifle wrote:I wouldn't give it to Arilin's mom if it weren't.


By the by, she's waiting for her money.

By the way, how're my kids?

er, yours, sorry.
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Postby Kifle » Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:17 am

Arilin Nydelahar wrote:
Kifle wrote:I wouldn't give it to Arilin's mom if it weren't.


By the by, she's waiting for her money.

By the way, how're my kids?

er, yours, sorry.


Just so you know, she gets paid in my creamy man sauce.

Also, your kids are great, where's the back support?
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Postby Corth » Wed Feb 16, 2005 1:09 pm

<img src="http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/88332/200.jpg">

Back support.
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Postby rer » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:14 pm

Corth wrote:<img src="http://a1468.g.akamai.net/f/1468/580/1d/pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/88332/200.jpg">

Back support.


ROFL!

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