Halloween: an expression of American cultural supremacy.

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Halloween: an expression of American cultural supremacy.

Postby Vigis » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:30 pm

Nerox tells you 'Good deal, the other tanks I have don't wanna do it, and since your my special suicidal tank i figure you don't mind one bit!'

Alurissi tells you 'aren't you susposed to get sick or something and not beable to make tia so i can go? :P'
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Postby Corth » Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:49 pm

Snicker...

Dumb lazy Europeans watching their wealth and standing in the world shrink to nothing, and having nothing better to do with their state subsidized free time than to lash out at something stupid like Haloween. At least we're not subject to European cultural supremacy. We would all be running around next week in Adolf Hitler masks.

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Postby Birile » Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:00 pm

Corth wrote:Snicker...

Dumb lazy Europeans watching their wealth and standing in the world shrink to nothing, and having nothing better to do with their state subsidized free time than to lash out at something stupid like Haloween. At least we're not subject to European cultural supremacy. We would all be running around next week in Adolf Hitler masks.

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I'm wearing a GW mask next week. Not sure which is scarier, Adolf or GW.
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Postby Shar » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:18 pm

Birile wrote:... Not sure which is scarier, Adolf or GW.


You're kidding, right? Cuz if not... wow.
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Postby Hsoj » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:22 pm

well lets see, one started wars for the wrong reasons and killed lots of people, the other started wars for the wrong reasons and killed lots more people... personally i think the gw mask woudl be scarier, people know hitlers dead

what is up w/ the KKK girls? anyone seen these twins?
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Postby Birile » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:38 pm

Shar wrote:
Birile wrote:... Not sure which is scarier, Adolf or GW.


You're kidding, right? Cuz if not... wow.


No, I'm really not kidding.
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Postby Eshacin » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:41 pm

Corth wrote:Snicker...

<snip>Corth


What can one say, except "Dumb Corth"?

Have you ever been outside the US, other than as a solja?
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Postby Shar » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:49 pm

um, ok then.
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Postby Vigis » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:19 pm

Eshacin wrote:
Corth wrote:Snicker...

<snip>Corth


What can one say, except "Dumb Corth"?

Have you ever been outside the US, other than as a solja?


If the quotes in that article are representative of Europeans in general, why would you want to?

How many Europeans that decry the influence of evil Americans have ever met somebody who is representative of the majority of our population? I would say that most have only had contact with those who can afford to visit Europe or that they have formed their opinions based upon what they see on television.

When I was in high school, the German National Wrestling Team came to tour Montana. They stayed with some of us, even though we beat their team, by the time it was over, the kids were amazed at how alike we really were. According to them, they thought Americans were all arrogant pricks. . .then they actually spent some time with real Americans.

There is ignorance on both sides of the ocean. . .one side or the other always refuses to admit they are ignorant. It is your perogative to decide which one. I know my opinion.
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Postby Eshacin » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:31 pm

Well, I was responding to Corth gratuitously insulting comments about dumb, lazy Europeans, not the article.

So I think you're completely missing the point of my post.

I think the article is a pretty stupid piece of bad, sensationalist journalism designed to appeal to ignorance. I don't think it represents the views of many,most or probably not even the Europeans quoted. FWIW.
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Postby Corth » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:23 pm

Eshacin wrote:
Corth wrote:Snicker...

<snip>Corth


What can one say, except "Dumb Corth"?

Have you ever been outside the US, other than as a solja?


I'm not a solider and have never been one, though i admire those who choose that path.

Off the top of my head, I have been to England, France, Germany, Czech Republic, Iceland, Spain, Italy, and Netherlands. I'm sure a few more places as well.

Europe is a very nice place to visit. I surely am glad not to live there.

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Postby Vaprak » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:27 am

I will be dressing up as the most fearsome creature known to exist once again this year: man with unmatched socks. Hideous is it not?
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Postby Vigis » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:31 am

Vaprak wrote:I will be dressing up as the most fearsome creature known to exist once again this year: man with unmatched socks. Hideous is it not?


Ummm, sorry Vaprak, that costume is used 364 days out of the year by me at work :p
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Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:41 am

The Brit: "Here we have a very advanced national health care system. You can get any doctor-prescribed prescription for about 12 American dollars! They're subsidized."

The American: "So, who pays for the subsidy?"

The Brit: "The government!"

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Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:54 am

Hsoj wrote:well lets see, one started wars for the wrong reasons and killed lots of people, the other started wars for the wrong reasons and killed lots more people... personally i think the gw mask woudl be scarier, people know hitlers dead

what is up w/ the KKK girls? anyone seen these twins?


The Nazis fought for global national, and cultural dominance.

They wanted to bring a 'master race' to lord over the earth, and destroy all other cultures and symbols of a past, thinking that once the Reich could dominate the earth that there could be peace and happiness in humanity.

The Americans fight for global national and cultural dominance.

We bring with us a culture of 'freedom' and 'liberty'. We rebuilt our former enemies into prime economic powers, and defend them regardless of their race, culture, or religion with the lives of our own sons and daughters.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:55 am

Birile wrote:I'm wearing a GW mask next week. Not sure which is scarier, Adolf or GW.


You're not a Jew, are you.
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Postby Abue » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:14 pm

I'm not going to defend DW in any way saying how good he has done or bash him by saying how poorly he has done. I just want to point out that Europe sure is doing a fine job dealing with Iran. Think about how fun it will be once that madman President of Iran gets a hold of nukes. They already have the ability to hit Europe with a missile and the Iranian president has publicly said he would like to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth. The Iranian military is already as strong as the largest in Europe and it's population has a huge percentage of people under 30. Never in the history of the UN has one member state called out for the total elimination of another member state. Think about it. Just about now you should start thinking... this reminds me of something... Hitler maybe?
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Postby Birile » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:12 pm

teflor the ranger wrote:
Birile wrote:I'm wearing a GW mask next week. Not sure which is scarier, Adolf or GW.


You're not a Jew, are you.


No, I'm gay.
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Postby Areandon » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:09 pm

Corth,

I actually do take offense to your comments. In your blatant ignorance you appearantly have forgotten what started WWII. Namely Germans who though they had the superior race and culture. You are showing exactly the same attitude. The fact that we choose a different system does not make us stupid nor lazy. You are just being insulting in your sense of superiority and with that shows your true nature.

Secondly the european press does not reflect the majority of public opinion here. The popular press is dominated by left-wing writers who are much more critical of everything to do with the US than the average european citizen is. Most people do not hate the US. There are a bunch who don't like Bush, but Bush is just a man not a nation.
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Postby Pril » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:45 pm

Areandon wrote:Corth,

I actually do take offense to your comments. In your blatant ignorance you appearantly have forgotten what started WWII. Namely Germans who though they had the superior race and culture. You are showing exactly the same attitude. The fact that we choose a different system does not make us stupid nor lazy. You are just being insulting in your sense of superiority and with that shows your true nature.

Secondly the european press does not reflect the majority of public opinion here. The popular press is dominated by left-wing writers who are much more critical of everything to do with the US than the average european citizen is. Most people do not hate the US. There are a bunch who don't like Bush, but Bush is just a man not a nation.


WooT! Something in common, a bunch of us here in the US don't like Bush either, except for the comedic relief :p


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Postby Ambar » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:56 pm

this was a thread dedicated to a discussion of how other countries dislike Halloween right??

It amazes me how *Westernized* most countries have become. It was VERY disconcerting to go into a Dairy Queen, McDonalds, Burger King, KFC (rofl) in Bahrain to find a young Bahrainii girl working there with her veil on...

In Spain when I lived there, a LOT of Americans got in toruble for black marketing American cigarettes. Very cool to go to McDonalds and BK in Spain tho .. mmm beer!
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Postby Corth » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:48 pm

Areandon:

I'm sorry that you are insulted. However, I stand by my views. Europe, and admittedly I am generalizing here, is a bastion of cultural and economic decadence. The French, with their 35 hour government mandated work week, are lazy. Other similar governmental policies in just about every European nation are why you are seeing your wealth and standing in the world decrease year after year. I believe that in my lifetime I will see the quality of life in Europe hover just above third world levels. Its only a matter of time.

Further, I think its quite a stretch to compare my views to those who would claim Racial supremacy. Your culture and economy are inferior. This is not a genetic trait, but rather, the result of your misguided choices.

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Postby Birile » Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:08 pm

Corth wrote:Areandon:

I'm sorry that you are insulted. However, I stand by my views. Europe, and admittedly I am generalizing here, is a bastion of cultural and economic decadence. The French, with their 35 hour government mandated work week, are lazy. Other similar governmental policies in just about every European nation are why you are seeing your wealth and standing in the world decrease year after year. I believe that in my lifetime I will see the quality of life in Europe hover just above third world levels. Its only a matter of time.

Further, I think its quite a stretch to compare my views to those who would claim Racial supremacy. Your culture and economy are inferior. This is not a genetic trait, but rather, the result of your misguided choices.

Corth


Corth,

In our state (yours and mine--New York), government workers only have to work a 37.5 hour work week. Not that different from 40 hours, but just as close to a 35 hour week, too. Frankly, 35 hours is just fine for a work week. Perhaps you're just used to the US where we constantly overwork and underpay our citizens?

We are a nation built on putting bandaids on problems--and that is constantly coming back to haunt us, time and time again. And I'm not speaking from a partisan standpoint, either.

If I'm not mistaken, due to the European Union, the quality of life in many European countries has been increasing. German ingenuity and economic stability is one of the main catalysts. That's not to say countries such as France and Norway haven't contributed in great ways. The EU, while not perfect (and the US government/economy isn't either), is a great example of what can be accomplished with teamwork and a European eye to the future good of all.

Where are you getting your facts from? I'm curious because what you're saying is rather news to me and is, in fact, contradictory to just about everything I've read in the past few years. I'd like to see if what you're reading changes my stance.
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Postby Corth » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:07 pm

Birile:

The French law makes it illegal for private sector employees to work for more than 35 hours a week.. even if they want to! If local government employees can negotiate a contract where they work less than 40 hours, then good for them. At least there is no law here restraining employees from working 50 hours a week if they are willing to do so.

Personally, I tend to look at quality of life as an economic question, though I could see how others would see it a different way. To that extent, I offer <a href="http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/13/18595359.pdf">Exhibit A</a>. Notice how US Unemployment rates have decreased since 2002, while most large European countries, and the EU taken as a whole, have steadily increased. Note also that EU unemployment is about 50% higher than US unemployment.

Socalist europe's labor rigidity, sadly, makes it difficult for their people to obtain gainful employment. Rather, they collect government checks, which undermines morality in the long term.

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Postby Hsoj » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:15 pm

Hey corth ya hear they fixed the dollar?

It now says In this we trust, you capitalist pig
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Postby Corth » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:34 pm

Oink :)
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Postby Birile » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:35 pm

Corth wrote:Personally, I tend to look at quality of life as an economic question, though I could see how others would see it a different way. To that extent, I offer <a href="http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/41/13/18595359.pdf">Exhibit A</a>. Notice how US Unemployment rates have decreased since 2002, while most large European countries, and the EU taken as a whole, have steadily increased. Note also that EU unemployment is about 50% higher than US unemployment.


You're right--the EU's unemployment rate is where the US unemployment rate was during the Reagan years. That's not (just) a partisan slam, that's to give an indication that it IS possible for unemployment rates to fall for a given entity (in this case the EU) over the next 25 years. More heartening, the EU's unemployment rate has steadily fallen this past year, and continues to do so. The US's unemployment rate decreased for the first half of the year and is now on the rise again.

Corth wrote:Socalist europe's labor rigidity, sadly, makes it difficult for their people to obtain gainful employment. Rather, they collect government checks, which undermines morality in the long term.

Corth


That is an opinion, nothing more, though you try to state it as a fact. :)
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Postby Corth » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:48 pm

I think it was quite clear that it was an opinion.. but who cares really.
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Postby Lathander » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:40 am

Most reasonable folks would agree that long term welfare does undermine the work ethic. We could debate whether it does or not, but once again, a vast majority would agree that Corth's statement is provable, confirmable, and measurable. In that case, it is indeed a fact.

By the way, comparing the US unemployment rate as rising is silly considering that it is coming off of a very low base.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:29 am

Birile wrote:In our state (yours and mine--New York), government workers only have to work a 37.5 hour work week. Not that different from 40 hours, but just as close to a 35 hour week, too. Frankly, 35 hours is just fine for a work week. Perhaps you're just used to the US where we constantly overwork and underpay our citizens?


So underpaid that our citizens are the most materially rich families in the world?

Sorry, Birile, but you can hardly blame me for pointing out when you're just dead wrong.
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Postby Sarell » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:32 am

Halloween in australia is pure ... australian... when I was 10, I dressed as a ghost and went doorknocking with a friend, 4 different houses gave us beer! PWNAGE... now that's a cross cultural event if ever I saw one!
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Postby teflor the ranger » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:28 am

Lathander wrote:Most reasonable folks would agree that long term welfare does undermine the work ethic. We could debate whether it does or not, but once again, a vast majority would agree that Corth's statement is provable, confirmable, and measurable. In that case, it is indeed a fact.

By the way, comparing the US unemployment rate as rising is silly considering that it is coming off of a very low base.


In a producing economy, welfare is like any other measure.

There is a balance in application. With no welfare, those who cannot work will be sentanced by fate to a quiet and bitter death should they chose to accept it - many won't.

Without social welfare, unrest will rise to the point where it defeats production.

From zero social welfare, as it increases, so will overall productivity in society.

However, there is a critical point, where social welfare will only beget more social welfare, and overall productivity in society will decline.

Where those who do not see the need to continue to produce because they are provided for.



The real question is a constant, changing, and continuing one:

How much social welfare should society provide?

It's clear the point is not at 0, or complete social welfare as in communism.

The answer will always lie somewhere in between, so long as there are people who wish to have more than other people.

Gift economy? Meet greed.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:48 am

Areandon wrote:Corth,

I actually do take offense to your comments. In your blatant ignorance you appearantly have forgotten what started WWII. Namely Germans who though they had the superior race and culture. You are showing exactly the same attitude. The fact that we choose a different system does not make us stupid nor lazy. You are just being insulting in your sense of superiority and with that shows your true nature.


It is your ignorance, Areandon that is the most blatant.

Let me warn you now, that to be as stupid as to compare the United States of America with the Nazi Reich in any way that would imply that we are an evil in this world in front of my person will cause you to have to crawl away.

To make that comparison is the pinnacle of the extreme where it comes to arrogance - and the most callous type of ignorance, a thanklessness for hundreds of thousands of Americans who gave their lives combating that particular evil that plauged the earth - that the Europeans themselves created and were unable to stop - and the millions of American soldiers that continue to defend freedom today.

You, sir, are the one who has apparantly 'forgotten what started World War II.' While I cannot entirely agree with Corth, you go too far. Judge thyself, fool.
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Postby Birile » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:53 pm

teflor the ranger wrote:
Birile wrote:In our state (yours and mine--New York), government workers only have to work a 37.5 hour work week. Not that different from 40 hours, but just as close to a 35 hour week, too. Frankly, 35 hours is just fine for a work week. Perhaps you're just used to the US where we constantly overwork and underpay our citizens?


So underpaid that our citizens are the most materially rich families in the world?

Sorry, Birile, but you can hardly blame me for pointing out when you're just dead wrong.


Check your facts before, big guy.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_gro_nat_inc_cap

Some people in Luxembourg, Switzerland, Japan and Norway would beg to differ.

You can't blame me for pointing out when you're dead wrong.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:46 pm

Birile wrote:Check your facts before, big guy.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_gro_nat_inc_cap

Some people in Luxembourg, Switzerland, Japan and Norway would beg to differ.

You can't blame me for pointing out when you're dead wrong.


Actually, Birile, you're the one that needs to check your facts. (nevermind the fact that I said materially rich, learn to read.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... 4rank.html

Yes, the United States is #2 and Luxembourg appears to be #1, but try reading:

"293,700 (of whom 105,000 are foreign cross-border workers commuting primarily from France, Belgium, and Germany) (2004 est.)"

Hmmmm. 20-40% of the average national income earned is actually carted off to France, Belgium, and Germany.

That puts the US back on top.

Basically, you're the one that needs to check your facts and you're still dead wrong - twice now. But seriously, Birile, if you ever want someone to double check that everything you're saying is actually correct, feel free to drop me a private message before you post.

By the way, if you're wanting to compare material wealth of basic family units, you'll want to compare the average household networth, or household net consumption.
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Postby Ambar » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:01 pm

Halloween is fun!
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Postby Birile » Fri Oct 28, 2005 5:58 pm

teflor the ranger wrote:
Birile wrote:Check your facts before, big guy.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/eco_gro_nat_inc_cap

Some people in Luxembourg, Switzerland, Japan and Norway would beg to differ.

You can't blame me for pointing out when you're dead wrong.


Actually, Birile, you're the one that needs to check your facts. (nevermind the fact that I said materially rich, learn to read.)

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/fac ... 4rank.html

Yes, the United States is #2 and Luxembourg appears to be #1, but try reading:

"293,700 (of whom 105,000 are foreign cross-border workers commuting primarily from France, Belgium, and Germany) (2004 est.)"

Hmmmm. 20-40% of the average national income earned is actually carted off to France, Belgium, and Germany.

That puts the US back on top.

Basically, you're the one that needs to check your facts and you're still dead wrong - twice now. But seriously, Birile, if you ever want someone to double check that everything you're saying is actually correct, feel free to drop me a private message before you post.

By the way, if you're wanting to compare material wealth of basic family units, you'll want to compare the average household networth, or household net consumption.


Big differences in the hard facts that your source quotes and the one mine does. Not saying yours is wrong and mine is right, but yours does use facts from 2000-2004 and mine from 2003-2005. And yours is compiled by an agency of the United States. Not sure how unbiased that is. Not to mention you're claiming the US, with a child poverty level that dwarfs all other western competitors has the most materially rich families in the world. Not to mention that money is a material item. Not to mention that our "upper crust" skews our results upwards. Not to mention our holdings in Puerto Rico and such weren't added into the tally to skew our numbers lower. Not to mention that household net consumption only means we spend a lot, not necessarily that we're materially rich. Credit debt, anyone?

Draw your own conclusions, Teflor, no one will ever get through to you because all you know how to do is attack with your one-track, closed-minded thinking.

Happy Halloween everyone! :)
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Postby avak » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:49 pm

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Postby Sundara » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:58 pm

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Postby teflor the ranger » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:53 pm

Birile wrote:Big differences in the hard facts that your source quotes and the one mine does. Not saying yours is wrong and mine is right, but yours does use facts from 2000-2004 and mine from 2003-2005. And yours is compiled by an agency of the United States. Not sure how unbiased that is. Not to mention you're claiming the US, with a child poverty level that dwarfs all other western competitors has the most materially rich families in the world. Not to mention that money is a material item. Not to mention that our "upper crust" skews our results upwards. Not to mention our holdings in Puerto Rico and such weren't added into the tally to skew our numbers lower. Not to mention that household net consumption only means we spend a lot, not necessarily that we're materially rich. Credit debt, anyone?

Draw your own conclusions, Teflor, no one will ever get through to you because all you know how to do is attack with your one-track, closed-minded thinking.



> If the US is not the most materially rich country in the world, it is one of the most materially rich countries in the world.

So I ask you again, Birile, who is underpaid now?

> Your source cites the CIA World Factbook as a major source.

Good job. http://www.nationmaster.com/sources.php
By the way, Birile, it's impossible to get yearly economic data from 2005, seeing as how it is _OCTOBER_.
And, if a source is dated July 2005 - it's citing 2004 data.

> Child Poverty in the US - 17%, UK - 28%

http://www.nccp.org/pub_lic05.html
http://www.childpoverty.org.uk/publicat ... ummary.pdf

Draw your own conclusions, you one-track, closed minded thinker.
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Postby Ambar » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:01 am

Halloween is fun!
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Postby moritheil » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:27 am

You know, I was following you until this throwaway comment:

Corth wrote:Rather, they collect government checks, which undermines morality in the long term.

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Postby Corth » Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:19 am

moritheil wrote:You know, I was following you until this throwaway comment:

Corth wrote:Rather, they collect government checks, which undermines morality in the long term.

Corth


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Postby Yasden » Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:45 pm

I thought this thread was about Halloween. :(

What are you dressing up as this year?

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Postby Corth » Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:08 pm

I'm going as Gormal's offspring:

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Postby selerial » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:02 pm

Wait, I'm confused here. Surely this article and all of you are talking about Thanksgiving, right? .....because Halloween originated in um... Europe.
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Postby Yasden » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:45 pm

Halloween was created as a ploy to keep young children from going the route of Wicca. Hallow's Eve, i.e. Samhain (pronounced sah-win), is the Wiccan New Year.

The Christians were hell-bent on putting an end to the Wiccans, and using this was a great start. But it doesn't even matter anymore, as this holiday is just as commercialized as all the others, and most kids don't even understand the significance of any of them.
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Postby Ashiwi » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:57 pm

Yasden wrote:Halloween was created as a ploy to keep young children from going the route of Wicca. Hallow's Eve, i.e. Samhain (pronounced sah-win), is the Wiccan New Year.


I... what?

Hallowe'en, or All Hallows Eve is an offshoot of pre-Christianity, yes. Hallow's Eve was considered to be one of the days of the year where the boundaries between our world and the spirit world overlapped the most. It was a day of great rejoicing at one point, because it was one of the best days of the year to honor one's ancestors, as the spirits of those ancestors might very well be present. As time went on, other spirits were also tossed into the mix... evil ones, who intended harm to people. It became an acceptable practice to wear disguises on that day, in order to fool any spirits who might have come to this world to do you harm. Those disguises developed into scary disguises in order to frighten off evil spirits.

The Christian influence may have had more to do with the prevailing belief that any spirits who arose on that day were evil, but the concept of good and evil spirits rising on that day was rooted in tradition that went far back before the Christian tendency to warp all pagan beliefs into acceptable Christian practices.
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Postby Vigis » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:08 am

For all of you folks dressing up this year:

http://www.collegesexadvice.com/costumes.shtml

Pretty funny psychoanalysis BS about your costume :)

Ummm, you might not want to read any further than the whole costume deal. I just went back to the site and saw links at the bottom. Pretty sure it is just a spoof site, but yeah. . .
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Postby Kifle » Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:35 am

Lol. I was going to go as a Jahova's Witness, but I was just too lazy to find a nametag and order a free bible :(. The funny thing though: While me and the wife took the kids out trick or treating, we saw two guys dressed up as JWs! We couldn't tell if they were real or not though. But we saw them right after I was telling her that I should have dressed up as one. It was kinda spooky.
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