Evils Return
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Evils Return
Seems evils are on a comeback
Previosly I posted my thoughts
http://www.torilmud.dyndns.org/phpBB2/v ... 576#161576
If u want to take a peak....
The evil base is growing and I'm glad to see it for one
On Sat we did Tf and sunday we did crypts, I want to thank those that logged in on sat and to say each sat i will try organize a zone for us to do
Those curious here's the group list
Group information for Tssassop and Company
Size: 15
Unsplit Coins: 0 platinum 0 gold 0 silver 0 copper
(Head) 380/380 psp 125/125 move 657/657 hit - Tssassop
132/132 move 360/360 hit - Tibek
154/154 move 1131/1109 hit - Akur
158/158 move 906/907 hit - Rucha
142/142 move 731/731 hit - Zubox
116/116 move 846/846 hit - Raludakov
131/131 move 397/397 hit - Nilan
120/120 move 734/700 hit - Aluvon
122/122 move 560/584 hit - Onut
162/162 move 706/706 hit - Mung
126/126 move 638/638 hit - Tida
132/132 move 472/539 hit - Solak
113/113 move 515/515 hit - Rensi
122/122 move 616/616 hit - Asez
452/691 psp 107/107 move 587/584 hit - Xilissisix
Once again, thanks for comming and hopefully seeya again next Sat, and the one after that, and who knows what the future may hold.
Lets see if we can keep this up
Tssassop / Tasop / Glandriel
Previosly I posted my thoughts
http://www.torilmud.dyndns.org/phpBB2/v ... 576#161576
If u want to take a peak....
The evil base is growing and I'm glad to see it for one
On Sat we did Tf and sunday we did crypts, I want to thank those that logged in on sat and to say each sat i will try organize a zone for us to do
Those curious here's the group list
Group information for Tssassop and Company
Size: 15
Unsplit Coins: 0 platinum 0 gold 0 silver 0 copper
(Head) 380/380 psp 125/125 move 657/657 hit - Tssassop
132/132 move 360/360 hit - Tibek
154/154 move 1131/1109 hit - Akur
158/158 move 906/907 hit - Rucha
142/142 move 731/731 hit - Zubox
116/116 move 846/846 hit - Raludakov
131/131 move 397/397 hit - Nilan
120/120 move 734/700 hit - Aluvon
122/122 move 560/584 hit - Onut
162/162 move 706/706 hit - Mung
126/126 move 638/638 hit - Tida
132/132 move 472/539 hit - Solak
113/113 move 515/515 hit - Rensi
122/122 move 616/616 hit - Asez
452/691 psp 107/107 move 587/584 hit - Xilissisix
Once again, thanks for comming and hopefully seeya again next Sat, and the one after that, and who knows what the future may hold.
Lets see if we can keep this up
Tssassop / Tasop / Glandriel
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
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hate to bust your bubble there, but you got 3 neutrals there, go all evil or go home
Cofen group-says 'wtf, why am i missing a cursed khanjari?'
Alendar group-says 'i r rednek i can only afford the monitor i have mud on and the broken monitor under it'
Nonox tells you 'i think someone casted 'power word gay' on pril'
Malacar ASSOC:: 'must... mp...soon...underwear...cringing...at...oncoming...onslaught...'
Alendar group-says 'i r rednek i can only afford the monitor i have mud on and the broken monitor under it'
Nonox tells you 'i think someone casted 'power word gay' on pril'
Malacar ASSOC:: 'must... mp...soon...underwear...cringing...at...oncoming...onslaught...'
Evil may take time to be rebuilt but as being a newbie, we will outgrow it. Who knows... mebbe one day evil can do tiamat as evil again.
And ruxur... maybe you should stop discouraging... Be around sometimes and give a helping hand. Just saying something without doing it wont really help change how things go. FYI those neutrals you mentioned (so far as i know except for Aluvon) have started their own evils... I believe they supported evil runs because their evils are not of sufficient level to participate in zones yet.
And evils know how to look beyond the eqs that peeps wear and still group even though the group causes u to take on ages to get level...
Does not matter as long the players are having fun.
Cheers
And ruxur... maybe you should stop discouraging... Be around sometimes and give a helping hand. Just saying something without doing it wont really help change how things go. FYI those neutrals you mentioned (so far as i know except for Aluvon) have started their own evils... I believe they supported evil runs because their evils are not of sufficient level to participate in zones yet.
And evils know how to look beyond the eqs that peeps wear and still group even though the group causes u to take on ages to get level...
Does not matter as long the players are having fun.
Cheers
The playtime and leadership Tsssspspspspspsps is showing in just getting on so much, INVITING people to come smite with him, not just 'allowing' them to, and general being nice and helpful to all the new evil players is the first serious and sustainable revival of evil playerbase there has been since crimson coalition was founded in my opinion. Good job! I've been having a blast with the late nighters, Zubox and Cuy deserve a mention for sheer smiting too!
PS: I heard Ruxur was just ticked off because you were infringing on his newly founded human only guild! :P Damn rednecks! *grins* *taunt*
PS: I heard Ruxur was just ticked off because you were infringing on his newly founded human only guild! :P Damn rednecks! *grins* *taunt*
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Yeh, well.....
I'm not even going to comment on Ruxur's comment, I hear many lame comments and thats just another misguilded insite to fuck all.
All i'm going to say is the evil pbase has picked up, I'm enjoying leading zones again and will continue to do so, I will also xp lowbie evils and help them with eq or whatever they require. Babo, Zubox, Akur, Rucha, Xil, Zoom, Tibek, Nilan, damn there are so many more (and if i didnt mention u, forgive me) that are helping me rebuild evils that also need to be thanked.
Not one person can do this alone and i said that in my orig post posted weeks ago, It takes many to make anything work, all i did was mention it and stick by my word to help. It does annoy me when people dont have anything better to do than make some negitive comment when they are probably to hung up helping themselves anyway.
Thanks Sarell for being positive, your comments meant alot, thanks...
People i think forget one basic thing sometimes, The mud.. Its a fucking game, and meant to be fun
Enjoy it
Tssassop/Glandriel/Tasop
I'm not even going to comment on Ruxur's comment, I hear many lame comments and thats just another misguilded insite to fuck all.
All i'm going to say is the evil pbase has picked up, I'm enjoying leading zones again and will continue to do so, I will also xp lowbie evils and help them with eq or whatever they require. Babo, Zubox, Akur, Rucha, Xil, Zoom, Tibek, Nilan, damn there are so many more (and if i didnt mention u, forgive me) that are helping me rebuild evils that also need to be thanked.
Not one person can do this alone and i said that in my orig post posted weeks ago, It takes many to make anything work, all i did was mention it and stick by my word to help. It does annoy me when people dont have anything better to do than make some negitive comment when they are probably to hung up helping themselves anyway.
Thanks Sarell for being positive, your comments meant alot, thanks...
People i think forget one basic thing sometimes, The mud.. Its a fucking game, and meant to be fun
Enjoy it
Tssassop/Glandriel/Tasop
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
hagah wrote:Thanks to Tssassop/Babo for great leads, we learned some things about the jabberwock!
Mung/Alks/Hagah
Lolz char sharing ftw! Last time I talked to Babo he/she (I think she) could barely speak a word of English. Now she can lead?
It will be fixed in Toril 2.0.
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Aremat group-says 'tanks i highly suggest investing 20 silver in training weapons from cm to cut down on the losing scales to shield'
Dalar wrote:hagah wrote:Thanks to Tssassop/Babo for great leads, we learned some things about the jabberwock!
Mung/Alks/Hagah
Lolz char sharing ftw! Last time I talked to Babo he/she (I think she) could barely speak a word of English. Now she can lead?
Hooked on phonics, man. Second languages aren't too hard to learn if you only want be able to converse a bit.
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Thalidyrr tells you 'Yeah, you know, getting it like a jackhammer wears you out.'
Teflor "You can beat a tank with a shovel!!1!1!!one!!1!uno!!"
Nilan wrote:Thats a grand comment Ruxur, what a jerk -off thing to say.
*bird*
Cofen group-says 'wtf, why am i missing a cursed khanjari?'
Alendar group-says 'i r rednek i can only afford the monitor i have mud on and the broken monitor under it'
Nonox tells you 'i think someone casted 'power word gay' on pril'
Malacar ASSOC:: 'must... mp...soon...underwear...cringing...at...oncoming...onslaught...'
Alendar group-says 'i r rednek i can only afford the monitor i have mud on and the broken monitor under it'
Nonox tells you 'i think someone casted 'power word gay' on pril'
Malacar ASSOC:: 'must... mp...soon...underwear...cringing...at...oncoming...onslaught...'
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hagah wrote:
Thanks to Tssassop/Babo for great leads, we learned some things about the jabberwock!
Mung/Alks/Hagah
Lolz char sharing ftw! Last time I talked to Babo he/she (I think she) could barely speak a word of English. Now she can lead?
Yeh, Bab's is a bit hard to understand, but seems u dont need english as a first language to lead a zone, and i think some us that have spent some time with him/her kinda know what he/she is tryin to say. Its almost like a game a who wants to be a millionare, You just take 50/50 ask the group or phone a friend... usually works :D
Babs is doing great and i say well done!!
Tssassop/Tasop/Glandriel
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
Sok is great at forming groups, I'm great at taking them over when he words and logs because he spanks on silly mobs like the Canthus pack on MS.
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Listing of the Mortals!
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[50 Enc] Vikaz (Drow Elf)
[50 Nec] Tssassop - Keeper of Souls (Yuan-Ti) (RP)
[50 War] Akur (Troll) (RP)
[50 Psi] Immixazer * Thought Twister * Malevolent Order (Illithid)
[50 Rog] Borkodatukov (Duergar)
[50 War] Goz * Phalanx * Malevolent Order (Troll) (RP)
[50 War] Zukoz (Troll)
[50 Cle] Elet (Drow Elf)
[50 Enc] Daggaz (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Psi] Zoominixxar * Catastrophist * Malevolent Order (Illithid) (AFK)
[48 Ctr] Meegwan (Orc)
[47 Sha] Naggug Smoosh Feet (Ogre)
[46 Cle] Llaalna (Drow Elf)
[46 Enc] Solak * Prophetic One * Malevolent Order (Drow Elf)
[44 War] Zazah (Troll)
[40 Inv] Asez Iz'ralind (Drow Elf) (RP)
[27 Sha] Nopup (Orc) (RP)
[24 War] Rilaramad (Duergar) (RP)
[22 Ill] Ssissax (Yuan-Ti) (RP)
[20 Rog] Nukurukam (Duergar)
There are 20 mortal(s) on.
Yeh, thats decent :P
Keep it up, welcome back some the older evil players, is great to see ya's online as evils again
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[50 Enc] Vikaz (Drow Elf)
[50 Nec] Tssassop - Keeper of Souls (Yuan-Ti) (RP)
[50 War] Akur (Troll) (RP)
[50 Psi] Immixazer * Thought Twister * Malevolent Order (Illithid)
[50 Rog] Borkodatukov (Duergar)
[50 War] Goz * Phalanx * Malevolent Order (Troll) (RP)
[50 War] Zukoz (Troll)
[50 Cle] Elet (Drow Elf)
[50 Enc] Daggaz (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Psi] Zoominixxar * Catastrophist * Malevolent Order (Illithid) (AFK)
[48 Ctr] Meegwan (Orc)
[47 Sha] Naggug Smoosh Feet (Ogre)
[46 Cle] Llaalna (Drow Elf)
[46 Enc] Solak * Prophetic One * Malevolent Order (Drow Elf)
[44 War] Zazah (Troll)
[40 Inv] Asez Iz'ralind (Drow Elf) (RP)
[27 Sha] Nopup (Orc) (RP)
[24 War] Rilaramad (Duergar) (RP)
[22 Ill] Ssissax (Yuan-Ti) (RP)
[20 Rog] Nukurukam (Duergar)
There are 20 mortal(s) on.
Yeh, thats decent :P
Keep it up, welcome back some the older evil players, is great to see ya's online as evils again
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
Smiting Evils BC, 6pm EST Friday.
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K, i just need to mention a few things
Lately i have had countless humans asking me to xp them
From now on, unless i know u really really well, i will not xp your human chars.
I did this to build the evil pbase, not human pbase, whom in my opinion have countless options in getting xp groups. This may seem a bit ironic to some seeing as some humans help us zone. And that i agree with u there, but lets be real. How can i xp the evils when i have 9 in group and 4 of them are humans while the little evils are still lfg in vt seeking xp? I have to draw the line somewhere and i am sorry. There are exceptions to every rule and like i said, if i know u well, then i will xp ya human, if i dont, then plz, dont ask me. Its simple really, dont roll a little human, roll an evil race and come join me. If u roll a small human, then xp it with goods plz. I dont want this to effect the evil human zone relations, but please just think about what i am saying and put yaself in my shoes. I spend on some days lvl'n people for up to 9 hrs of solid xp, and it is tiring and most u would know.
Secondly. Necro's, i will aid any necro, and even get them a few lvls, but I will NOT power lvl anyones necro, very soon i will aid a necro to get 1st few circle spells, after that, ya on ya own, Necro suppose to be a soloable char, and its not fair to the high lvl necro's that spent ages getting lvls for some new necro to get power lvl'd to a spectre lvl, and besides, if u cant learn how to play a necro with all ya pets by playin solo, when u are lvl 50 u will still suck. simple.
As it stands, this is how i feel, any evil, i will xp u, any low lvl necro, i will aid u, and humans i do not know, specially new lvl 1-10 humans that have been asking me for xp. Dont, cause i will not lvl you. In truth atm i feel like some have taken my attempt to help evil pbase and a free ride and free xp for anyone that wants xp. This is, nor has it ever been my intentions. It was to build the 'Evil' pbase. You wanna try a new class char? wanna xp? then make an evil
Anyhow, i dont wish to offend nor do i want this to stop anyone asking for xp if u are evil.
Thanks for reading this, seeya on the battlefield.
Tssassop/Glandriel/Tasop
Lately i have had countless humans asking me to xp them
From now on, unless i know u really really well, i will not xp your human chars.
I did this to build the evil pbase, not human pbase, whom in my opinion have countless options in getting xp groups. This may seem a bit ironic to some seeing as some humans help us zone. And that i agree with u there, but lets be real. How can i xp the evils when i have 9 in group and 4 of them are humans while the little evils are still lfg in vt seeking xp? I have to draw the line somewhere and i am sorry. There are exceptions to every rule and like i said, if i know u well, then i will xp ya human, if i dont, then plz, dont ask me. Its simple really, dont roll a little human, roll an evil race and come join me. If u roll a small human, then xp it with goods plz. I dont want this to effect the evil human zone relations, but please just think about what i am saying and put yaself in my shoes. I spend on some days lvl'n people for up to 9 hrs of solid xp, and it is tiring and most u would know.
Secondly. Necro's, i will aid any necro, and even get them a few lvls, but I will NOT power lvl anyones necro, very soon i will aid a necro to get 1st few circle spells, after that, ya on ya own, Necro suppose to be a soloable char, and its not fair to the high lvl necro's that spent ages getting lvls for some new necro to get power lvl'd to a spectre lvl, and besides, if u cant learn how to play a necro with all ya pets by playin solo, when u are lvl 50 u will still suck. simple.
As it stands, this is how i feel, any evil, i will xp u, any low lvl necro, i will aid u, and humans i do not know, specially new lvl 1-10 humans that have been asking me for xp. Dont, cause i will not lvl you. In truth atm i feel like some have taken my attempt to help evil pbase and a free ride and free xp for anyone that wants xp. This is, nor has it ever been my intentions. It was to build the 'Evil' pbase. You wanna try a new class char? wanna xp? then make an evil
Anyhow, i dont wish to offend nor do i want this to stop anyone asking for xp if u are evil.
Thanks for reading this, seeya on the battlefield.
Tssassop/Glandriel/Tasop
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
as a *cough* newly realized drow invo. i dig it man. the evil side seems to be coming together. it's strange 2 months ago I gave up leveling the drow because there was like 3 people logged on evil besides myself, as of late alot of times there are more evils on than goodies or at least a pretty comporable number. this is a huge change. so thanks tssa it's very much been a good time xpin with ya and, I will see you tonight for a most glorious BC run :)
The 'your not a real evil' thing is creeping back into some people's mindsets, that's what will end evil race zoning.
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Sarell wrote:The 'your not a real evil' thing is creeping back into some people's mindsets, that's what will end evil race zoning.
I don't see it as that. He creates XP groups for a particular goal: To help out rising evil characters. Why is this his goal? Because he wants to increase the evil player base.
Is his goal to increase neutrals? No.
Is his goal to have bigger evil groups? Yes, but that's secondary.
We already use neutrals to fill in evil group gaps. Hell, for awhile I was the ONLY cleric that evils had... But, that's just a bandaid. If you want to play an evil race, then roll an evil race.
When we build groups, we do a "who sort evil", first.
After about 15-20 minutes of failing to fill group slots, switching alts, and IMing off-liners, then we do a "who sort neutral" and go from there.
"When we build groups, we do a "who sort evil", first."
I don't and I lead more evil zones than most people. I look for the people I like, then the people I know are reliable. The people who get on LFG and belittle new players for asking to exp as an evil human I think are jerks who I don't want to spend my relaxation time with.
Tssassop is not one of these mean people. I wasn't even posting in response to his thread however I do think a swmall minority of people took it the wrong way. I was posting in response to the ingame meaness towards neutrals, also a small minority. A small minority with a big mouth, is enough to ruin all Tssassop's hard work. Your doing it to some of the best evil leaders ever when you have been to maybe 3 zones and are claiming your some sort of new league of evil elites. If you start a evil VS good dichotomy your are going to get absolutely trounced.
Evils need new players yeh, they also need a damn big shakeup in skills and attitude if they want to be a formidable zoning power.
I don't and I lead more evil zones than most people. I look for the people I like, then the people I know are reliable. The people who get on LFG and belittle new players for asking to exp as an evil human I think are jerks who I don't want to spend my relaxation time with.
Tssassop is not one of these mean people. I wasn't even posting in response to his thread however I do think a swmall minority of people took it the wrong way. I was posting in response to the ingame meaness towards neutrals, also a small minority. A small minority with a big mouth, is enough to ruin all Tssassop's hard work. Your doing it to some of the best evil leaders ever when you have been to maybe 3 zones and are claiming your some sort of new league of evil elites. If you start a evil VS good dichotomy your are going to get absolutely trounced.
Evils need new players yeh, they also need a damn big shakeup in skills and attitude if they want to be a formidable zoning power.
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Laugh Sarell...
Many people in general on the mud need an attitude shake-up, whether good-raced or evil-raced. Its one reason I'm not around as much anymore.
However I do have an evil-raced character, and I must say that the evils' view towards XP is a wonderful one (and always has been), even if its directed towards evil-raced characters only. Good/nuetrals have so many XP choices without the long walks in comparison to the evils. Being invited to the morning XP romps in the mines with the other evil-raced characters is a lovely thing. I get invited... I don't have to beg, be best friends with people running the XP, or *shudder* Solo XP. I don't have to shout myself hoarse over LFGC looking for XP groups.
Not only that, but I have FUN! What a concept.. XP returning to fun. We joke, we laugh, we chat, we kill, we level...
I do heartily agree with the idea of destroying the whole Us vs. Them mentality that seems to be prevalent between some of the old school evil-raced players and old school good-raced players. With the over-all playerbase as low as it is, there really is no room for such prejudices.
*blushes slightly, steps off the soap box and hides it in a shadow somewhere*
Many people in general on the mud need an attitude shake-up, whether good-raced or evil-raced. Its one reason I'm not around as much anymore.
However I do have an evil-raced character, and I must say that the evils' view towards XP is a wonderful one (and always has been), even if its directed towards evil-raced characters only. Good/nuetrals have so many XP choices without the long walks in comparison to the evils. Being invited to the morning XP romps in the mines with the other evil-raced characters is a lovely thing. I get invited... I don't have to beg, be best friends with people running the XP, or *shudder* Solo XP. I don't have to shout myself hoarse over LFGC looking for XP groups.
Not only that, but I have FUN! What a concept.. XP returning to fun. We joke, we laugh, we chat, we kill, we level...
I do heartily agree with the idea of destroying the whole Us vs. Them mentality that seems to be prevalent between some of the old school evil-raced players and old school good-raced players. With the over-all playerbase as low as it is, there really is no room for such prejudices.
*blushes slightly, steps off the soap box and hides it in a shadow somewhere*
Nuetral Discrimination
I did experience this in a zone group. I was excited to play again and got invited to an evil zone group. It was cool to group with evils since I have never done it before. I did however have to listen to prejudice comments about humans and nuetrals suck for two hours and how evil races only want to group with evil races. A human evil is not evil, whatever since that makes. Thats like saying a dog is not a dog unless its a german sheppard. It was quite annoying. The evil race community might re-think their way of speaking if they want more folks to group with. Though I liked grouping with some new folks I'm not sure I'd like to listen to all the negative ranting and raving about how prejudice the people I am grouped with are.
I do understand power leveling issue above but the insistent flames about being a certain race/class/alignment that the game allows to group is not necessary and do not produce a fun gaming environment for everyone involved. It's your choice to be prejudice but I am not sure how constructive it is trying to establish a larger player base.
Dorlack
I do understand power leveling issue above but the insistent flames about being a certain race/class/alignment that the game allows to group is not necessary and do not produce a fun gaming environment for everyone involved. It's your choice to be prejudice but I am not sure how constructive it is trying to establish a larger player base.
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I did experience this in a zone group. I was excited to play again and got invited to an evil zone group. It was cool to group with evils since I have never done it before. I did however have to listen to prejudice comments about humans and nuetrals suck for two hours and how evil races only want to group with evil races.
Hrrmm, well it wasnt in any of my groups, zone group or otherwise. None of my groups, zone or otherwise has had anyone backstabbed humans or nuets or anyone else for that matter. And if u participated in my zone groups you'll note 1 outa 10 has had all evils... and the only comment made in that group was it was 'nice' to see and all evil group again.
I lead CC on sunday and 1/2 my group was human! Evils still do, and for some time will need human help and it is stupid comments like this that will undo all i have tried to accomplish. For Gods sake, how about some positive feedback instead of all this dumbass bitching.
As for my previous post, I think some of you are missing the point i was trying to make, and that was simply i didnt wish to xp any new human alts.
Imagine this if you can, for 4 weeks you been posting how u wish to help the evil pbase, saying you will xp evil chars, and then when all these new evils are being rolled u cant xp them cause u have a group of humans in your group. Its a simple thing really and I did not wish to offend nor turn this into a 'oh he has a prob with humans' because i dont. I just cant xp humans and xp evils and stick to my orig plan in doing so.
Have I ever said i wont zone with humans in it? I have ever said Evils are too good to have humans hunt with them? NO!
I'm am soo happy when i do a who evil and see 20 or more evils on, because there used to be maybe 4 or 5 online, and i'm sure you, that play evil atm are greatful there are zone groups now and people to xp with.... Please.. Dont ruin it
The oldskool evil attitude has to change... You turn away those that help you and this evil pbase will be as it used to be... nothing.
As i have said, i will continue to lead zones for evils and xp evils, but i will have no part in any Evil vs Human crap because i think its fucken stupid.
Tssassop / Tasop / Glandriel
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
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Re: Nuetral Discrimination
Dorlack wrote:I did experience this in a zone group. I was excited to play again and got invited to an evil zone group. It was cool to group with evils since I have never done it before. I did however have to listen to prejudice comments about humans and nuetrals suck for two hours and how evil races only want to group with evil races. A human evil is not evil, whatever since that makes. Thats like saying a dog is not a dog unless its a german sheppard. It was quite annoying. The evil race community might re-think their way of speaking if they want more folks to group with. Though I liked grouping with some new folks I'm not sure I'd like to listen to all the negative ranting and raving about how prejudice the people I am grouped with are.
I do understand power leveling issue above but the insistent flames about being a certain race/class/alignment that the game allows to group is not necessary and do not produce a fun gaming environment for everyone involved. It's your choice to be prejudice but I am not sure how constructive it is trying to establish a larger player base.
Dorlack
although I haven't been back for long I have not seen the "ranting and raving" you speak of. Personally I would like to group with all evils. Human are the base character for which all others are compared and given special abilities to offset their weeknesses so they are "equal" to their human counterpart. Now they are given the ability to group with evils which basically doubles the amount of zones they can do. This was done to help out the evils so they could make zone-able groups. What has happened is many have jumped in on the human band wagon to take advantage of grouping with either side therefore increasing their zone potential. players from both sides have gone human. Certainly you can see what could happen here, the die hard evils will stay evil, others will play human so they can do both sides. Anti-paladins I consider an exception because they by nature are evil and can't change their alignment without serious penalties, where as all other humans can. So certainly preferential treatment of evils makes alot of sense, to increase and encourage the evil pbase. However the negative comments are counter productive, some do it as part of RP for their character and should be taken as such. In the long run I'd like to see the evils not group with humans except for anti's unless the human character could be made like anti's where if they changed their alignment they would suffer penalties like they do, that would be acceptable imo. Now understand I also take issue with neutral hehehe pick a side and stick to it! ;)
Talona responds to your petition with 'Sweet, I fixed something!'
Talona LFG: [55 Evil Human Nec] 'Don't make me mud castrate you all.'
Some people are like slinkies, not really good for anything but you still cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Talona LFG: [55 Evil Human Nec] 'Don't make me mud castrate you all.'
Some people are like slinkies, not really good for anything but you still cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want to group with humans in the 'longrun'. This perception of what is evil what isn't is so wierd. In my opinion, some arch mage who is totally mean and badass, ala Corth, should be LEADING hordes of evil trolls against stupid EM and the like. That's the way it works in all the cool stories! Anyhow, I just see it as a bunch of people playing the best fun ever game and smiting zones, if you have a character that can group fantastic.
In that spirit, Evil BC again! This weekend, Saturday, 8pm EST. That's 9AM Sunday in Malaysia I think *prod*. If people rather do a different zone, perhaps scorps, it hasn't been done in ages, traditionally evils always smote scorps well. But BC has pretty fine rewards, is long, but not OMG tiatouch horror long, and being race restricted gear gives evils a shot at something they can't trade for terribly well. I've lead BC 0 deaths, last trip was about 60 deaths I think (omg I forgot to flee was watching pron), we have to fix that folks!
In that spirit, Evil BC again! This weekend, Saturday, 8pm EST. That's 9AM Sunday in Malaysia I think *prod*. If people rather do a different zone, perhaps scorps, it hasn't been done in ages, traditionally evils always smote scorps well. But BC has pretty fine rewards, is long, but not OMG tiatouch horror long, and being race restricted gear gives evils a shot at something they can't trade for terribly well. I've lead BC 0 deaths, last trip was about 60 deaths I think (omg I forgot to flee was watching pron), we have to fix that folks!
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lili help
i have a start for equ for my 45 / troll / warrior that i'd love to bring back to help out but equ getting might be tricky since i have little to trade and no plats (just bought tinkers bag :P )
look me up in game for slots i'm missing if you want to help. shrug
look me up in game for slots i'm missing if you want to help. shrug
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--HELP! My legs aren't long enough!--
--HELP! My legs aren't long enough!--
Sarell wrote: This perception of what is evil what isn't is so wierd. In my opinion, some arch mage who is totally mean and badass, ala Corth, should be LEADING hordes of evil trolls against stupid EM and the like. That's the way it works in all the cool stories! Anyhow, I just see it as a bunch of people playing the best fun ever game and smiting zones, if you have a character that can group fantastic.
don't get me wrong some of my friends and people I work with in real life are human. The arch mage example you use is a valid one, however if the person who plays it decided to do a one eighty and go good or whatever they have that choice with no penalty, where as most other races suffer some penalties, or did last I knew(evil grey elf) they still get smited in their hometown?
Talona responds to your petition with 'Sweet, I fixed something!'
Talona LFG: [55 Evil Human Nec] 'Don't make me mud castrate you all.'
Some people are like slinkies, not really good for anything but you still cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Talona LFG: [55 Evil Human Nec] 'Don't make me mud castrate you all.'
Some people are like slinkies, not really good for anything but you still cant help smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.
Latreg wrote:Sarell wrote: This perception of what is evil what isn't is so wierd. In my opinion, some arch mage who is totally mean and badass, ala Corth, should be LEADING hordes of evil trolls against stupid EM and the like. That's the way it works in all the cool stories! Anyhow, I just see it as a bunch of people playing the best fun ever game and smiting zones, if you have a character that can group fantastic.
don't get me wrong some of my friends and people I work with in real life are human. The arch mage example you use is a valid one, however if the person who plays it decided to do a one eighty and go good or whatever they have that choice with no penalty, where as most other races suffer some penalties, or did last I knew(evil grey elf) they still get smited in their hometown?
Agreed, a lot of what I hear and see that bothers evils and their view of humans is situation such as this:
A group of evils form to do a zone, grab a few humans to fill in the gaps and set out and start a zone...Mid zone, some of the humans get invited to do a higher-end zone lead by goodraces with better rewards, and the humans leave to go on to something better...Because they can zone on both sides of the board, they don't have to worry much about irritating people from one side so long as the other will still take them along and since goodraces do more high-end zones at a much more regular frequency, its only natural that the evilraces are the ones who see this negative factor.
This doesn't happen often, but when evils zone a few times a week it doesn't take long before a few 'spoiled' trips at the hands of humans leaving the group high and dry add tinder to the fire. A lot of the time it feels like humans only zone with evils for lack of anything else to do, and when some players leave an evil group mid-way it only further adds to this.
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I have left an evil group mid-way several times. And I just want to state that sometimes RL just shows its ugly face.
Remember that often the humans are invited because else the zonage can't begin. Then we agree even though we don't really have the time.
I doubt anyone would leave an evil zone group to go to a good zone group midway unless a guild or something more or less forces them.
Remember that often the humans are invited because else the zonage can't begin. Then we agree even though we don't really have the time.
I doubt anyone would leave an evil zone group to go to a good zone group midway unless a guild or something more or less forces them.
In addition to antipaladins, there's necromancers and liches. They can go neutral now, but they can't go good without losing a big chunk of their power, that is, the raising of undead.
Also, as far as I know, Botef and Tssassop are the only two evilrace committed necromancers...if you need a soul walker, you may have to turn to humans if for some reason either of them are !available.
Also, as far as I know, Botef and Tssassop are the only two evilrace committed necromancers...if you need a soul walker, you may have to turn to humans if for some reason either of them are !available.
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Dorgh group-says 'damn, even with Cofen helping Mori, they STILL can't kill someone
Hekanut says 'I know level doesn't matter much, but most won't take seriously if a level 2 claims to be the best thing before, during, and after sliced bread.'
Rather than seeing "subpar race/class," see "challenge."
Dorgh group-says 'damn, even with Cofen helping Mori, they STILL can't kill someone
Hekanut says 'I know level doesn't matter much, but most won't take seriously if a level 2 claims to be the best thing before, during, and after sliced bread.'
Rather than seeing "subpar race/class," see "challenge."
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[50 Inv] Zalkenai Ark'Henneld (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Psi] Muxxissinix (Illithid)
[50 Cle] Raludakov - Hordes of Darkness (Duergar)
[50 War] Rucha * Anvil * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[50 War] Sukor Smack Head * Storm * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[50 Sha] Bodug Smokestuff - Hordes of Darkness (Ogre) (RP)
[50 Enc] Verzul - Jabbuk d'Faer - Hordes of Darkness (Drow Elf)
[50 Nec] Tssassop Soul Keeper - Hordes of Darkness (Yuan-Ti) (RP)
[48 Ill] Lamas -Twisted eye- Hordes of Darkness (Yuan-Ti)
[47 Dir] Latreg (Orc)
[47 Ctr] Wotak (Orc) (RP)
[44 Ctr] Bibad Singbad * Death * Hordes of Darkness (Orc) (RP)
[43 War] Agum (Ogre)
[29 Nec] Xisskas (Yuan-Ti)
[26 Rog] Kozamagur (Duergar)
[22 Cle] Ssiki (Yuan-Ti)
[21 Nec] Ssarrit (Yuan-Ti)
[19 Enc] Kessarri (Yuan-Ti)
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[ 1 War] Ikaz (Drow Elf)
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I just wanted to say, NICE ONE!!
yeh i know some are goods alts but hey, It looks good :)
Tssassaop
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[50 Inv] Zalkenai Ark'Henneld (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Psi] Muxxissinix (Illithid)
[50 Cle] Raludakov - Hordes of Darkness (Duergar)
[50 War] Rucha * Anvil * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[50 War] Sukor Smack Head * Storm * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[50 Sha] Bodug Smokestuff - Hordes of Darkness (Ogre) (RP)
[50 Enc] Verzul - Jabbuk d'Faer - Hordes of Darkness (Drow Elf)
[50 Nec] Tssassop Soul Keeper - Hordes of Darkness (Yuan-Ti) (RP)
[48 Ill] Lamas -Twisted eye- Hordes of Darkness (Yuan-Ti)
[47 Dir] Latreg (Orc)
[47 Ctr] Wotak (Orc) (RP)
[44 Ctr] Bibad Singbad * Death * Hordes of Darkness (Orc) (RP)
[43 War] Agum (Ogre)
[29 Nec] Xisskas (Yuan-Ti)
[26 Rog] Kozamagur (Duergar)
[22 Cle] Ssiki (Yuan-Ti)
[21 Nec] Ssarrit (Yuan-Ti)
[19 Enc] Kessarri (Yuan-Ti)
[ 1 Rog] Oneta (Drow Elf)
[ 1 War] Ikaz (Drow Elf)
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I just wanted to say, NICE ONE!!
yeh i know some are goods alts but hey, It looks good :)
Tssassaop
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
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Oh yeh, I know that previous post has nothing to do with the topic....
But for once, neither do I :P
We need humans from time to time and if they leave, so be it, Most zones i've lead lately when someone left, we had them replaced, and sometimes its humans, and sometimes its evils. Who cares :D
I'm having fun
Damn that evilpbase looks good tho huh? :D
But for once, neither do I :P
We need humans from time to time and if they leave, so be it, Most zones i've lead lately when someone left, we had them replaced, and sometimes its humans, and sometimes its evils. Who cares :D
I'm having fun
Damn that evilpbase looks good tho huh? :D
Yeh, i think i havea corpse there too....
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[50 War] Akur (Troll) (RP)
[37*Cle] Itasha (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Rog] Nulatudas (Duergar)
[50 War] Culuc - Hordes of Darkness (Troll)
[44 Ctr] Bibad Singbad * Death * Hordes of Darkness (Orc) (RP)
[50 Rog] Rezah * Mugger * Malevolent Order (Drow Elf)
[50 War] Rucha * Anvil * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[45 Ctr] Dacray Bloodpainter (Orc)
[47 Enc] Zusuh (Drow Elf)
[49 Cle] Ssissaz * Venom * Malevolent Order (Yuan-Ti)
[47 Psi] Axxizzeniz (Illithid)
[45 Inv] Asez - Pestilence - Hordes of Darkness (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Sha] Bodug Smokestuff - Hordes of Darkness (Ogre) (RP)
[50 Sha] Kobud Soul Smasher (Ogre)
[49 Psi] Xilissisix * Seer * Malevolent Order (Illithid)
[50 Ill] Marrus (Yuan-Ti)
[50 Nec] Botef Arken'viir * Overlord * Malevolent Order (Drow Elf)
[50 Cle] Raludakov - Hordes of Darkness (Duergar)
[50 War] Targsk Mosh Dwarf - To'Ryll Avuna - Orbdrin D'oloth (Troll) (RP)
[50 Inv] Rrassassoz (Yuan-Ti)
[17 Nec] Enap (Drow Elf)
[49 War] Zazah * Swordancer * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[50 Enc] Verzul - Jabbuk d'Faer - Hordes of Darkness (Drow Elf)
[50 Rog] Nilan ShadowStalker *Velg'larn* Treachery's Blade (Drow Elf) (RP)
[47 Ctr] Wotak * Dark Chorus * Malevolent Order (Orc) (RP)
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Now this is an evils roll call. (grin)
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[50 War] Akur (Troll) (RP)
[37*Cle] Itasha (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Rog] Nulatudas (Duergar)
[50 War] Culuc - Hordes of Darkness (Troll)
[44 Ctr] Bibad Singbad * Death * Hordes of Darkness (Orc) (RP)
[50 Rog] Rezah * Mugger * Malevolent Order (Drow Elf)
[50 War] Rucha * Anvil * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[45 Ctr] Dacray Bloodpainter (Orc)
[47 Enc] Zusuh (Drow Elf)
[49 Cle] Ssissaz * Venom * Malevolent Order (Yuan-Ti)
[47 Psi] Axxizzeniz (Illithid)
[45 Inv] Asez - Pestilence - Hordes of Darkness (Drow Elf) (RP)
[50 Sha] Bodug Smokestuff - Hordes of Darkness (Ogre) (RP)
[50 Sha] Kobud Soul Smasher (Ogre)
[49 Psi] Xilissisix * Seer * Malevolent Order (Illithid)
[50 Ill] Marrus (Yuan-Ti)
[50 Nec] Botef Arken'viir * Overlord * Malevolent Order (Drow Elf)
[50 Cle] Raludakov - Hordes of Darkness (Duergar)
[50 War] Targsk Mosh Dwarf - To'Ryll Avuna - Orbdrin D'oloth (Troll) (RP)
[50 Inv] Rrassassoz (Yuan-Ti)
[17 Nec] Enap (Drow Elf)
[49 War] Zazah * Swordancer * Malevolent Order (Troll)
[50 Enc] Verzul - Jabbuk d'Faer - Hordes of Darkness (Drow Elf)
[50 Rog] Nilan ShadowStalker *Velg'larn* Treachery's Blade (Drow Elf) (RP)
[47 Ctr] Wotak * Dark Chorus * Malevolent Order (Orc) (RP)
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