Sarvis wrote:Microwaves ovens? <a href="http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=8774">No</a>.
Indoor parking garages? Not literally existant, as they are never fully enclosed due to the fact that built up car exhaust would kill anyone in there. (Also, frequently in areas where they are used there AREN'T other places to park, that's why they were built!)
I'll give you the stoves, IF you can provide us with an alternative to eating and explain why you should be allowed to make matters worse.
Of course that last bit is kind of a salient point isn't it? We're all going to die sometime, but why should you get to shorten my life at all? What is the difference between causing cancer in someone and shooting them besides the speed at which they die?
But hey, feel free to rant on about how your rights are being trampled by being asked to step outside for 5 minutes.
By the way, you say we're choosing to breathe your smoke because we chose to be in the same space? any chance you ever gave people the common courtesy of asking them first? Every smoker I know asks if they can smoke before getting in my car... yet I've never seen one ask the people in a crowded room, be it in a public bar, movie theatre or private party.
Funny, that. It's like you KNOW it's bad for those around you but decide that a nameless, faceless crowd is just that. Why don't they count?
Have you ever been to a major city? Hell, in Chicago, many of the parking garages are very enclosed except for open stairwells and a few vent shafts here and there. Visit the Field Museum next time you're in town and tell me that parking garage is not enclosed. Even the open air garages (the ones without basement levels) can retain exhaust fumes for a while; I have to smell them every time I go to campus. As to your "that's why they're built" argument... well, that's why there are smoking sections. Even in my city you can't even smoke in enclosed smoking sections anymore. Why? Beats the shit out of me. Added to that, there is this thing called public transportation, trains, etc. You show me a need for that many cars in the city, I'll literally punch myself in the face.
Ovens: Electric. Problem solved. Outlaw gas ovens in restaurants. I don't want to get cancer... waah!
And seriously. Why should I be able to shorten your life? I wasn't aware that I was literally forcing you to go into these establishments that used to allow smoking. I wish I had realized this power earlier. You had a choice, now I have none.
But, hey. You can rant on about how your rights are being trampled by being asked to find a non-smoking restaurant.
Also, yes, I do ask... when I'm in other peoples' cars
. You know why? Because that is their
private property, not mine. Do I ask them in my car? No, because they know I smoke and if they want, we could have wasted their gas to get to where we were going. This is exactly why we don't ask people in the room at a bar if we can smoke -- because it isn't their bar. The owners
of these establishments tell me I can smoke; therefore, I will smoke. If the owners
of these establishments didn't want me to smoke (like the mall, department stores, doctor's offices, etc.) I don't smoke. However, you're taking not only the rights of these owners in regards to their private
property, but also the rights of the people wanting to go to these establishments. Selfish non-smokers.
Oh, and while we're at it. Can you find me an actual study not done by a reputable non-U.S. agency that has found a provable correlation between second-hand smoke and cancer? Because I'm almost positive you're under the assumption that the EPA's results were in any way actual science.
Here, here's one that did a comprehensive 37yr study of flight attendants done at Johns Hopkins. http://www.data-yard.net/39/cabin.pdf
I thought this one was kind of interesting http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/320/7232/417
This was pretty awesome
And, finally, the coup de grace from the WHO
Don't worry about it being from a third party site, the study and all related materials are sited at the bottom. I especially find the part about children to be stunning.
But, hey, lets just keep citing the study done by the EPA in which they have been found to fudge the facts.