Which Democrat are you supporting in the primaries?

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Which Democrat do you support?

Joe Biden
2
7%
Hillary Clinton
12
41%
Chris Dodd
1
3%
John Edwards
0
No votes
Mike Gravel
1
3%
Dennis Kucinich
1
3%
Barack Obama
10
34%
Bill Richardson
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29
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Which Democrat are you supporting in the primaries?

Postby Lathander » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:25 pm

So, let's have some fun. For the Democrats in here, who are you supporting and why?
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Postby teflor the ranger » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:42 pm

If I register Democrat this year, my vote will be for Hillary Clinton. She's the only Democrat candidate with a pair.
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Postby Kifle » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:14 pm

The Hill. I think she has the best chance at turning around our foriegn relations at this point.
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Postby Ragorn » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:38 pm

Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

He's so well spoken.
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Postby daggaz » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:50 pm

You forgot to put in a "none of the above" vote button. Im a dem. Im not voting any of them this year, especially not Clinton. Im voting for Ron Paul.
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Postby Kegor » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:28 am

Went with Clinton. I liked the way the first Clinton administration handled a high percentage of issues, and I think a good number of the people under that administration would return again. If you weren't blinded by repulican blow job spin artists, you might have read some other very good headlines in the newspapers during that administration. One of the strongest areas of that administration was definately foreign policy and very quick, quiet, and effective response to known potential terrorist threats.

Hillary on a personal level has a good platform of issues that she backs up with her work as a senator on legislation she has tried to pass. Most noteably healthcare, strengthening the middle class, and energy conservation - global warming.

This choice was formed also in part to liking the idea of having Bill Clinton back in the white house in any form possible. If Hillary is elected, Bill will be one of the advisors in the administration while playing his more public global ambassador role.
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Postby Kifle » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:32 am

Jaznolg wrote:Went with Clinton. I liked the way the first Clinton administration handled a high percentage of issues, and I think a good number of the people under that administration would return again. If you weren't blinded by repulican blow job spin artists, you might have read some other very good headlines in the newspapers during that administration. One of the strongest areas of that administration was definately foreign policy and very quick and effective response to known potential terrorist threats.

Hillary on a personal level has a good platform of issues that she backs up with her work as a senator on legislation she has tried to pass. Most noteably healthcare, strengthening the middle class, and energy conservation - global warming.

This choice was formed also in part to liking the idea of having Bill Clinton back in the white house in any form possible. If Hillary is elected, Bill will be one of the advisors in the administration while playing his more public global ambassador role.


Pretty much exactly what I'm thinking -- especially your final paragraph. However, while I'm 99% sure I'll vote Hillary if she's nominated, I am swaying a bit towards McCain (I've always like the guy), but he seems too much of a pushover when it comes to party politics, so who knows what he'd do. I'm also going to check out this Ron Paul character. I don't usually look at the lower tier candidates because I don't want to find somebody I really like when they have absolutely no chance to be in the real election.
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Postby Kegor » Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:40 am

I do like McCain and Paul a lot as well. They just happen to be in the wrong party.

One thing I really hate about the candidacy this time around, is the pressure to be religious that is being put on them by christian extremists. I know a lot of people in this country are, but pressuring others to be that way is wrong. So is viewing them differently. Now all of these very smart athiest and agnostic canidates are pretending so everyone can be happy. So lame.
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Postby Kifle » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:47 pm

Jaznolg wrote:I do like McCain and Paul a lot as well. They just happen to be in the wrong party.

One thing I really hate about the candidacy this time around, is the pressure to be religious that is being put on them by christian extremists. I know a lot of people in this country are, but pressuring others to be that way is wrong. So is viewing them differently. Now all of these very smart athiest and agnostic canidates are pretending so everyone can be happy. So lame.


I haven't really noticed the religious effects quite yet. I don't really start paying attention until after the primaries anyway. They weed out the ones that have no chance in hell so I don't get attached :) But I agree. It is one of the bad sides of politics that I think turns a great candidate into a party/intrest group puppet. This is where McCain broke my heart -- especially throughout the war. You could tell he didn't agree with it, but his hands were tied because of party politics. You could just see the pain in his face every time he was asked whether Bush was doing a good job or whether he agreed with the war. It was kinda sad. I'm still wanting to give him my vote though. It all depends on party nominations and the debates for me now.
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Postby Kegor » Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:12 am

Well the nice thing about strongly approved presidents, is that they do what they want in their second term, regardless (in some strongly approved cases) of what their party wants them to do, since their political career is over anyways. I haven't seen a strongly approved republican president since Ronald Reagan. There are reasons for that, and it should be widely noted.

Still wish Gore would have decided to run. He would have been the most excellent second term president ever.
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Postby rylan » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:59 am

McCain lost any support I had when he went psycho and teamed up with Fat Teddy to bring more illegal immigrants into the country.

Kifle, I don't understand how you think that Hillary could turn around foreign relations. A woman president would be discounted and ignored by pretty much every country in the middle east.

Anyway for a dem candidate, probably Richardson, since his views are overall the least offensive to me.

I'm actually kind of hoping that Gore's huge ego will get the best of him and he'll jump in the race. It would be amusing to see how pissed off he could make Hillary.
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Postby Birile » Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:34 pm

Hillary by far.

When she ran for the NY Senate seat I was extremely impressed with how much time and effort she actually put into her run. She went to every corner of NY and talked to people, trying to get to know the area and its concerns, recognizing that the state is made up of a lot more than just NYC--coming from upstate myself, that was very important. It showed a lot of respect for her constituents. I think she's represented NY very well, and I'm also impressed with how she's handled all of the baloney surrounding the Iraq war, being attacked for her vote, etc.

I, too, think she would help re-establish a lot of international respect for the US. I disagree that she wouldn't be taken seriously by any of the leaders of the Middle East--first of all, there have been female leaders in that area of the world, and second of all, when Rice works over there she's not overly disrespected, and neither was Pelosi when she visited earlier this year. They're no more backwards than some areas of the US are.

Add to that the insane popularity of her husband--especially internationally--and I'm rather certain the world would cheer (or breathe a sigh of relief) if she were elected.

I find it very difficult to even hear Barack Obama and John Edwards speak--they sort of make my ears bleed. Elizabeth Edwards used to be a boon for John, but now she's just a little psycho with her attacks on just about anyone who isn't John.

I took an interest in Bill Richardson and Dennis Kucinich early on. Turns out, Bill's just a running gag--how many more times is he going to flub? And this coming from someone who's supposed to have experience as an ambassador? It'd be difficult to get international respect with that guy running the country because everyone would be laughing at him. As for Kucinich, he'd probably get my vote if I thought he had a snowball's chance in Hell. But those are just the realities of the situation.
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Postby Corth » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:02 pm

Echoing Birile's sentiment, I don't think that Hillary would be taken any less seriously in the middle east than a man. The president of the USA derives his power from being the leader of the most powerful country in the world, not from the way he is perceived. Moreover, Birile is correct. Off the top of my head I can think of at least one *elected* female head of state in an islamic country, Benazir Bhutto in Pakistan.

I agree that Hillary being elected would be the best outcome if a Democrat were to win, not just for the reasons Birile stated, but also because her biggest competitors have demonstrated a tendency to be extremely irresponsible. For example, Obama's statement that we should attack Pakistan if they do not give us the type of cooperation that he deems adequate, or Edwards' posturing about "two americas".

Also, I think its about time we have a female president (or a black one for that matter). Ideally, they would be libertarian republicans.. but either way, its a bonus.
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Postby rylan » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:19 pm

Don't be fooled... Hillary is no woman :P
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Postby rylan » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:24 pm

Mmmm double post.
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Postby Kifle » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:29 pm

rylan wrote:Don't be fooled... Hillary is no woman :P


Yeah, she's a woMAN now -- she went through menapause. My wife wants kucinich to win, but she told me she's voting for Hill as well if Kucinich doesn't get the nomination. I'm also planning on buying her friends vote as well :)
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Postby Corth » Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:43 pm

rylan wrote:Don't be fooled... Hillary is no woman :P


Point taken. :)
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Postby kiryan » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:04 pm

I'm ready for change, I admire Hillary's ethic, but I see to much old school politics in her and I hate her stances. Bill did some good things, but he also ignored the genocide in Rwanda, got credit for the Internet boom which had nothing to do with him while escaping the fallout from the crash and his got no balls foreign policy may have been somewhat responsible for 9/11. Before bush I felt our foreign policy had no teeth. I'm not sure bush has done anything positive for our foreign policy, but for 8 years America has let everyone know that we will take action. I'm not saying that this is good in the long term, I'm concerned to what degree this may have further polarized relations with China / Russia, but anyhow this is about hilary right? lol.

If I had to vote democratic, I'd most likely vote for obama because even though I still hate his stances, at least he's refreshing. I do think that he has made some not so deeply thought out statements which is dangerous, but I like his "fresh" look at issues. It's not like hes going to make these decisions in a vaccuum, he will have access to advisors who can give him seasoned advice.
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Postby rylan » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:48 am

I think it would be an absolute riot if Kucinich won the dem nomination. Too bad that'll ever happen, but it would really be entertaining for the general election since the guy is a few cards short of a full deck.
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Postby Ragorn » Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:03 am

But his wife is smokin'.
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Postby Kifle » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:54 am

Lol, did anybody see Kucinich tonight on the Colbert Report? I loved his comment on the pocket constitution.
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Postby rylan » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:06 pm

Didn't see that. What did he say?
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Postby Zabam » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:35 pm

A a registered Democrat: I'll vote for the most screwed up individual in the Demcratic Primary, most likely Richardson.

Then vote Republican/Conservative, or for anything else beside these "Socialists Gone Wild", in the election.
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Postby Kifle » Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:01 pm

rylan wrote:Didn't see that. What did he say?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRxuiE4SZEM

Gotta love youtube. The whole segment was hillarious.
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Postby rylan » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:05 pm

ROFL that was awesome!
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Postby Birile » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:19 pm

Asking the same question on the Republican side, but what're you Dems and Liberals thinking? Still sticking with the same candidate? New thoughts? Clinton's hit a rough spot (I'm still voting for her), it'll be interesting to see if Obama can make use of her downward trend and his upward climb.
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Postby Kifle » Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:34 pm

Birile wrote:Asking the same question on the Republican side, but what're you Dems and Liberals thinking? Still sticking with the same candidate? New thoughts? Clinton's hit a rough spot (I'm still voting for her), it'll be interesting to see if Obama can make use of her downward trend and his upward climb.


I doubt it will affect things much. Clinton is a wheathered political vet with one of the best campaigners at her side. Obama is new and, while decent, just can't match the Hill. On another note, Mccain tore some assholes on that last debate. I'm still voting hillary.
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Postby Llaaldara » Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:32 pm

Jaznolg wrote:Went with Clinton. I liked the way the first Clinton administration handled a high percentage of issues, and I think a good number of the people under that administration would return again. If you weren't blinded by repulican blow job spin artists, you might have read some other very good headlines in the newspapers during that administration. One of the strongest areas of that administration was definately foreign policy and very quick, quiet, and effective response to known potential terrorist threats.

Hillary on a personal level has a good platform of issues that she backs up with her work as a senator on legislation she has tried to pass. Most noteably healthcare, strengthening the middle class, and energy conservation - global warming.

This choice was formed also in part to liking the idea of having Bill Clinton back in the white house in any form possible. If Hillary is elected, Bill will be one of the advisors in the administration while playing his more public global ambassador role.


I was thinking that too. How kick butt would it be to have your first lady, who isn't a lady at all, but a former president, and not just a former president, but one that is a good public speaker and diplomat.

I agree also, that I preferred the on the down-low terrorist responses they did instead of the lets get the whole country up on arms about this and go attack entire countries for ulterior motives. They might not have all been so effective, but you don't give terrorists more publicity like the current administration has been doing.

I mean, hate Bill and Hill all you want, but she does have a pair and looks like she could beat the crap out of most politicians after the crap she's been thru, and he can talk and schmooze with the best of them. Even when he's lying thru his teeth, you don't doubt em for a second and think he's your friend and want to ask em "More sugar for your coffee Mr. Clinton?"

Go Hill/Bill I say.


Plus on Clinton's watch, there wasn't a massive government conspiracy to dupe the population into an inappropriate action in order for a select few to reap massive financial benefits. You just had some jerk cheating on his wife.

Big woop. :P
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Re: Which Democrat are you supporting in the primaries?

Postby Xisiqomelir » Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:41 pm

-Hillary is a gun-grabber, game-grabber AND porn-grabber. !way

-Edwards is Washington slime

-Bill Richardson is actually decent, but he can't make it

-The joke nominees are jokes

It has to be Obama. He's pro-Net Neutrality, and I know he'll hold the telcos' feet to the fire so US internet infrastructure moves out of the 80s and we can start competing with North Asia and Europe again.
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Re: Which Democrat are you supporting in the primaries?

Postby Kifle » Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:41 pm

Xisiqomelir wrote: so US internet infrastructure moves out of the 80s and we can start competing with North Asia and Europe again.


? What's this now? I must just not pay attention, but I'm in the dark on this subject. What's so bad about ours and what's so good about theirs?
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Re: Which Democrat are you supporting in the primaries?

Postby Sarvis » Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:58 pm

Kifle wrote:
Xisiqomelir wrote: so US internet infrastructure moves out of the 80s and we can start competing with North Asia and Europe again.


? What's this now? I must just not pay attention, but I'm in the dark on this subject. What's so bad about ours and what's so good about theirs?


"The average broadband download speed in the US is only 1.9 megabits per second, compared to 61 Mbps in Japan, 45 Mbps in South Korea, 18 Mbps in Sweden, 17 Mpbs in France, and 7 Mbps in Canada, according to the Communication Workers of America." - http://pressesc.com/01179677598_us_internet_slow

That's just the first article I found, I remember seeing more about this a couple months ago though. I know Norway has had an average 10Mb for years, from some guys running a MUD over there...
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Postby Imis9 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:37 am

Looking into the polls for Iowa, Obama is the second choice for more folks than Hillary. Obama should take Iowa, assuming he doesn't screw up. This will setup New Hamphire and South Carolina as the real tests. Obama should go to Edwards and offer him Attorney General if he will really concentrate on attacking Clinton.
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Postby Thilindel » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:19 am

Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...
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Postby Kifle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:31 am

Thilindel wrote:Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...


He may be politically retarded, but he has some interesting stances on the issues. He'll never get my vote, though.
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Postby Birile » Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:53 pm

Kifle wrote:
Thilindel wrote:Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...


He may be politically retarded, but he has some interesting stances on the issues. He'll never get my vote, though.


In the primary he won't get my vote either. But if it comes down to him or a Republican (none of which I have much respect for, except for McCain who actually was willing to go against the Republican tide on immigration--that shows a lot of courage), I'll still vote for whoever is on the Democratic ticket.

Also, insinuating someone is anything like Osama bin Laden is shortsighted and riddled with subconscious propaganda that is utterly unfair, to say the least.
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Postby Kifle » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:15 pm

Birile wrote:
Kifle wrote:
Thilindel wrote:Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...


He may be politically retarded, but he has some interesting stances on the issues. He'll never get my vote, though.


In the primary he won't get my vote either. But if it comes down to him or a Republican (none of which I have much respect for, except for McCain who actually was willing to go against the Republican tide on immigration--that shows a lot of courage), I'll still vote for whoever is on the Democratic ticket.

Also, insinuating someone is anything like Osama bin Laden is shortsighted and riddled with subconscious propaganda that is utterly unfair, to say the least.


I hope that last bit wasn't pointed at me, sugar pie.
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Postby Ragorn » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:00 pm

Thilindel wrote:Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...

Because I care about things that are important.
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Postby Kifle » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:26 am

Ragorn wrote:
Thilindel wrote:Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...

Because I care about things that are important.


I'm no nationalist or hardcore patriot by any stretch of the terms, but I think that a man running for the most powerful office in a certain country should respect it enough to salute the flag. Also, while this isn't important to myself as far as this election goes, if it were between two identical candidates and one did and one did not salute the flag, I would venture that the person more dedicated and respectful of our flag, which symbolizes many things dear to this country and its original ideologies, would be more fitting to run the country that that flag represents and would get my vote. By doing things like that, he is comiting political suicide. This is the second thing I can recall that he's done. He may think it seems "against the grain" and makes him look "fresh" and not one tied down to "conventional tradition," but to me it just makes him look like a jackass that has no idea wtf he's doing. He can have the MTV voters in the primaries for all I care -- most of them don't even vote anyway. He'll lose, no doubt. He's just setting himself up for losing the next time if he decides to run again.
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Postby Xisiqomelir » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:23 am

Kifle wrote:
Ragorn wrote:
Thilindel wrote:Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...

Because I care about things that are important.


I'm no nationalist or hardcore patriot by any stretch of the terms, but I think that a man running for the most powerful office in a certain country should respect it enough to salute the flag.


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Postby Kifle » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:36 am

Xisiqomelir wrote:
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Thilindel wrote:Why the hell would anybody vote for OSama? The dude refuses to salute the Flag...

Because I care about things that are important.


I'm no nationalist or hardcore patriot by any stretch of the terms, but I think that a man running for the most powerful office in a certain country should respect it enough to salute the flag.


I think you missed Rags' point. :lol:


Must have :( My brain is mush. Finals are over now though :)
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Postby Birile » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:01 pm

My earlier comments were aimed at someone who would make an ignorant statement by purposely changing one letter in a person's name to insinuate they're akin to somebody else.

As for Obama not saluting the flag, I don't look at it as though he did it out of disrespect, but out of ignorance--either way, it wasn't a smart move on his part. He seems highly unstudied in how he's going about this nomination process, making silly mistakes that actually matter to some people. When you want arguably the most important job in the world there is simply no room for that. Then, the mind can trail off into questions about what kind of situations he would find himself in as President when visiting other countries--and making fools of the US (or, worse, enemies) as a result of his ignorance in cultural norms.
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Postby Thilindel » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:33 pm

The osamabama comment isn't out of ignorance at all. One cannot compete at this level, which is the most pivotal white collar job around, with marginal understanding of what majority acceptance is - that being saluting the flag, etc. Did this muslim not ever attend grade school?
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Postby avak » Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:51 am

Thilindel wrote:The osamabama comment isn't out of ignorance at all. One cannot compete at this level, which is the most pivotal white collar job around, with marginal understanding of what majority acceptance is - that being saluting the flag, etc. Did this muslim not ever attend grade school?


Edit - Removed completely warranted personal attack because most people here seem to want to have a mature discussion. Honestly, this kind of tripe quoted above should justify swift and heavy-handed action by the moderators.
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Postby Dalar » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:48 am

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Postby Gormal » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:26 am

You know, I usually stay out of the political debates here, but I can't help but wonder why people try and play Hillary off as the tough female who's made it work through a rough marriage. Hillary, just like Bill, is just plain shady. I mean, aren't we talking about someone who was more than a little involved in the greatest political scandal this country has every seen? I would never vote for that conniving whore in a million years.
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Postby Kifle » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:09 pm

Gormal wrote: I mean, aren't we talking about someone who was more than a little involved in the greatest political scandal this country has every seen?


You mean claiming WMDs and bin laden ties so we can "liberate" Iraq from its oil...err oppressive regime...

I'm not sure which political scandal you're refering to... the blowjob? If that's the case, grow up. He wasn't the first president to cheat on his wife, nor will he be the last. Sadly, they impeeched Clinton for that crap yet this administration is quite possibly the shadiest this country has seen (false claims for war, alberto fucking gonzolas?, haliburton, pardoning one of the worst crooks in the country's history, I could go on.)

Face it. Every politician is shady or else they would be horrible at what they do. And her "working through a rough marriage" is the last thing on my mind when I consider her tough. She's a cutthroat bitch that is also very charismatic -- and is married to one of the most charismatic men alive. That = improved foriegn relations imo. Hell, the marriage was probably dead a long time before the blowjob incident, and I'm sure they're both still in it only because of their careers (mostly hilary's). But, eh...
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Postby Birile » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:50 pm

Thilindel wrote:The osamabama comment isn't out of ignorance at all. One cannot compete at this level, which is the most pivotal white collar job around, with marginal understanding of what majority acceptance is - that being saluting the flag, etc. Did this muslim not ever attend grade school?


Your last sentence belies your first.
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Postby Birile » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:13 pm

Kifle wrote:
Gormal wrote: I mean, aren't we talking about someone who was more than a little involved in the greatest political scandal this country has every seen?


You mean claiming WMDs and bin laden ties so we can "liberate" Iraq from its oil...err oppressive regime...

I'm not sure which political scandal you're refering to... the blowjob? If that's the case, grow up. He wasn't the first president to cheat on his wife, nor will he be the last. Sadly, they impeeched Clinton for that crap yet this administration is quite possibly the shadiest this country has seen (false claims for war, alberto fucking gonzolas?, haliburton, pardoning one of the worst crooks in the country's history, I could go on.)

Face it. Every politician is shady or else they would be horrible at what they do. And her "working through a rough marriage" is the last thing on my mind when I consider her tough. She's a cutthroat bitch that is also very charismatic -- and is married to one of the most charismatic men alive. That = improved foriegn relations imo. Hell, the marriage was probably dead a long time before the blowjob incident, and I'm sure they're both still in it only because of their careers (mostly hilary's). But, eh...


I agree with Kifle... if you're mentioning Monica Lewinsky in the same breath as greatest political scandal then... well... man, that's just ridiculous. There sure as heck are more important scandals, including Watergate or... well, anything GWB has done. Maybe you meant Whitewater, but that still doesn't compare.

Frankly, I don't see what the problem is with having a (w)itch in office is. The fact of the matter is, she will get things done and she won't be bullied nationally or internationally--and the world loves and respects the Clintons (with some exceptions, but that's true of everybody). Furthermore, anyone who thinks Bill will have too much say in policy simply doesn't see that marriage's dynamic--that is, Hillary runs it. I, for one, think she's a lot "warmer" than people give her credit for. She just doesn't let anyone walk all over her. I wouldn't want a president who would allow that, and neither would anyone else.
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Postby Gormal » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:06 pm

I was talking about Watergate.
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Postby Thilindel » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:13 pm

avak wrote:
Thilindel wrote:The osamabama comment isn't out of ignorance at all. One cannot compete at this level, which is the most pivotal white collar job around, with marginal understanding of what majority acceptance is - that being saluting the flag, etc. Did this muslim not ever attend grade school?


Edit - Removed completely warranted personal attack because most people here seem to want to have a mature discussion. Honestly, this kind of tripe quoted above should justify swift and heavy-handed action by the moderators.


So in America, where one is given the privilege to state their opinion...yet you acknowledge you render a frivolous personal attack, despite my as-stated privilege, unto which credit is given to our men and women in the service both present, and in the past, ...sad. Despite lack of the obvious, there was talk that maybe this presidential 'hopeful' didn't know to salute. In grade school, especially given this guy's age, it was a default that he would have saluted in that era - case closed. Nice job shooting your mouth off, however.

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