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Mobs Fumbling

Postby Adana » Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:51 pm

I thought at first that I was just seeing things but it appears to be a fact: Mobs are able to attack, riposte and parry while trying to regain control of their weapons. Is the attack roll lowered when doing so? It's hard to tell from the attempted hits when not fumbling.

One would think when trying to regain control of one's weapon a feat like parry, let alone riposte would not be possible.

Proof follows with edits for length:

< T: Adana TC: few scratches E: troll EC: small wounds P: std > You cause the massive half-breed troll to fumble for his weapon.

< 566h/617H 154p/154P 92v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: few scratches E: troll EC: small wounds P: std >
The massive half-breed troll is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash. The massive half-breed troll's attack only grazes you as you maneuver your mount!
The massive half-breed troll slashes you.

You barely slash the massive half-breed troll.
Your a holy avenger enshrouded in light glows brightly as you slice into the massive half-breed troll's body viciously!
You barely slash the massive half-breed troll.

< 543h/617H 154p/154P 93v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: small wounds E: troll EC: small wounds P: std >
A zealous griffon growls at the massive half-breed troll.

< 543h/617H 154p/154P 93v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: small wounds E: troll EC: small wounds P: std >
The massive half-breed troll finally regains full control of his weapon.

You cause the massive half-breed troll to fumble for his weapon.You have learned something new about disarm!

< 545h/617H 154p/154P 91v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: small wounds E: troll EC: few wounds P: std > Adana has marginally improved her skills in disarm!

< 545h/617H 154p/154P 91v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: small wounds E: troll EC: few wounds P: std >
Warmth flows from your a holy avenger enshrouded in light and you feel better.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 92v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: few wounds P: std >
A zealous griffon growls at the massive half-breed troll.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 92v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: few wounds P: std >
The massive half-breed troll is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
You maneuver your mount to avoid the massive half-breed troll's attack!

Your mount snaps at the massive half-breed troll, beak tearing into his body fiercely!
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
The massive half-breed troll throws you off-balance.
You regain your balance and remain mounted.
You slash the massive half-breed troll.
You slash the massive half-breed troll.

< 610h/617H 154p/154P 92v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: few scratches E: troll EC: few wounds P: std >
The massive half-breed troll finally regains full control of his weapon.

< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std > You cause the massive half-breed troll to fumble for his weapon.
< 617h/617H 154p/154P 93v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std >
The massive half-breed troll is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
The massive half-breed troll deflects your blow, and strikes back at YOU!

You parry the massive half-breed troll's lunge at you.
The massive half-breed troll dodges your futile attack.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 94v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std >
A zealous griffon growls at the massive half-breed troll.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 95v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std >
The massive half-breed troll finally regains full control of his weapon.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
Your attack only grazes the massive half-breed troll as he dodges aside!
You slash the massive half-breed troll.
You slash the massive half-breed troll very hard.

< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std > You cause the massive half-breed troll to fumble for his weapon.
< 617h/617H 154p/154P 93v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std >
The massive half-breed troll is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
You slash the massive half-breed troll very hard.
You slash the massive half-breed troll very hard.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 94v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std >
A zealous griffon growls at the massive half-breed troll.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 94v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: pretty hurt P: std >
The massive half-breed troll finally regains full control of his weapon.

< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: awful P: std > You cause the massive half-breed troll to fumble for his weapon.
< 617h/617H 154p/154P 93v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: awful P: std >
The massive half-breed troll is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
You land a mighty slash on the massive half-breed troll!
The massive half-breed troll parries your futile lunge at him.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 93v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: awful P: std >
The massive half-breed troll finally regains full control of his weapon.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
The massive half-breed troll misses you with his slash.
You land a mighty slash on the massive half-breed troll!
Your attack only grazes the massive half-breed troll as he dodges aside!
The massive half-breed troll staggers from your fearsome slash!

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 95v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: awful P: std > A zealous griffon growls at the massive half-breed troll.
You make a great effort, and send the massive half-breed troll's weapon crashing to the floor.
A steel longsword lands on the floor.

< 617h/617H 154p/154P 91v/120V >
< T: Adana TC: excellent E: troll EC: awful P: std >
The massive half-breed troll struggles to regain his weapon.
Your attack only grazes the massive half-breed troll as he dodges aside!
The massive half-breed troll staggers from your fearsome slash!
Your a holy avenger enshrouded in light glows brightly as you slice into
the massive half-breed troll's body viciously. The holy might of your
attack sears his vile soul with righteous fury! Shrieking
in spiritual and physical agony, he slumps to the ground as you
withdraw your a holy avenger enshrouded in light.
You receive your share of experience.
The massive half-breed troll is dead! R.I.P.
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of the massive half-breed troll.
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Postby othelil » Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:46 pm

Mobs do all kinds of fun things PC's can't... like attack someone while they're casting a spell. It's really impressive. The fact that the mob was acting like he had a sword when he didn't is pretty neat though.
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Postby Thilindel » Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:25 pm

considering it could be 15 vs. 1 mob, I think it fair they can do stuff we can't.
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Postby Iyachtu » Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:20 pm

Players can parry and riposte without using a weapon. Players can also riposte (this is the only situation I've seen mobs attack while casting) while casting. What's the question?
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Postby Adana » Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:21 pm

No question now. Thanks for clearing it up Itchy! :)
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Postby Iyachtu » Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:24 pm

Note: riposting and parrying without a weapon does require a shield.
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Postby othelil » Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Iyachtu wrote:Players can parry and riposte without using a weapon. Players can also riposte (this is the only situation I've seen mobs attack while casting) while casting. What's the question?


That I buy but I am kinda curious why it said "slash" instead of "hit" if he wasn't using a weapon. Is that just peculiar to this mob type? (like some mobs claw, bite, etc)
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Postby othelil » Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:52 pm

[quote="Iyachtu"]Players can also riposte (this is the only situation I've seen mobs attack while casting) while casting.[quote]

Oh yeah, about this, can you riposte a spell? I've cast an offensive spell on a blinded mob who was in the middle of casting a spell and when the spell completed the mob hit me to initiate combat and then later completed the spell. (not a one-time occurence, either) If they can riposte spells that answers it I suppose.
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Postby kiryan » Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:01 pm

boggle

i dont remember being able to parry without a weapon.

maybe it was because i was holding something.

too lazy to check it out though.
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Postby Yayaril » Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:37 pm

8)

That's not the only situation where mobs can attack while casting. Mobs also can attack you while casting if you try to cast an offensive spell on them and they successfully identify your spell as aggressive. This has happened to me on several occasions.
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Postby Stamm » Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:02 am

I'd always just assumed thet fumbling for a proper grip on their weapon meant some kind of negative to hit penalty...
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Postby Iyachtu » Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:17 am

othelil wrote:
Iyachtu wrote:Players can also riposte (this is the only situation I've seen mobs attack while casting) while casting.


Oh yeah, about this, can you riposte a spell? I've cast an offensive spell on a blinded mob who was in the middle of casting a spell and when the spell completed the mob hit me to initiate combat and then later completed the spell. (not a one-time occurence, either) If they can riposte spells that answers it I suppose.


That's not really a riposte. I'll look at that section. The code is trying to make sure the mob is engaged on you. Shouldn't be necessary for it to hit you though. In any case, this same situation happens with players, unless I'm mistaken.
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Postby othelil » Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:08 am

Iyachtu wrote:
othelil wrote:
Iyachtu wrote:Players can also riposte (this is the only situation I've seen mobs attack while casting) while casting.


Oh yeah, about this, can you riposte a spell? I've cast an offensive spell on a blinded mob who was in the middle of casting a spell and when the spell completed the mob hit me to initiate combat and then later completed the spell. (not a one-time occurence, either) If they can riposte spells that answers it I suppose.


That's not really a riposte. I'll look at that section. The code is trying to make sure the mob is engaged on you. Shouldn't be necessary for it to hit you though. In any case, this same situation happens with players, unless I'm mistaken.


The thing is I can "typically" land an offensive spell on a mob and quite often flee out before it engages (when it is blind). When the mob is not blind and not casting it always auto-engages on cast, which is expected. However, rarely when casting sometimes the mob will engage "automatically" while it is midspell as if it were not blind or casting. In other words, the oddness here is not the automatic engagement, but the fact that if the mob hadn't been casting it most certainly would not have auto-engaged until the next round (as is the case with blind).

As for players, I've certainly never hit something while I was mid-cast ... or not that I was aware of. Maybe I'll run some tests on mean spellcasting mobs.
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Postby omrec » Sat Dec 06, 2003 8:36 am

On a related note, aggressive can kick in while you are casting. Not that I'm complaining, but I think its all sorta related....and I riposte all the time while casting, so can vouch for that. But don't fix it, it's kinda fun the way it is..:)

And agree with stamm as to the original post, fumbling for control of weapon is different than dropping a weapon. Always assumed it meant the mob is just having a harder time, not that they are weaponless.

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