Nighmare doesn't agro?

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Nighmare doesn't agro?

Postby Sarell » Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:08 pm

I think it should?
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Re: Nighmare doesn't agro?

Postby mynazzaraxxsyn » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:42 pm

Sarell wrote:I think it should?


I don't know. Do you think it should? Are you asking if the rest of us think it should, or are you telling us you think it should, or are you asking us to make up your mind for you if it should or not.

I think you meant to say "I think it should."
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Postby kiryan » Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:43 pm

i think it should agro
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Postby Sesexe » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:01 pm

Aggro all but !aggro undead

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Postby fotex » Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:10 pm

state a particular case why it should aggro? seems pretty tricky to twink non-aggro mob(s) with it anyway.
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Postby Dalar » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:47 pm

do you mean the spell or mob? which mob?
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Postby Sarell » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:42 pm

i was thinking it should agro since

NIGHTMARE
Spell.

Area of effect: <victim>/Room
Aggressive: Yes
Cumulative: No
Duration: Instantaneous
Class/Circle: Illusionist 10th
Type of spell: Illusion

This devasting phantasmal spell summons the victim's most horrifying
nightmares into existence to attack them. The phantasmal nightmare
creatures are imbued with incredibly power and their attack does
terrible damage. The nightmare creatures are so terrifying that
they have a chance to stun all the caster's enemies who witness them.


it says it is aggressive and it isnt a very nice thing to do to someone..
It means that you can use one of the most powerful area spells and not get mobs in room agro to you dutring large group combat, it means that you can stun things then have a chanter mess them up while they are too stunned to fight back

I put the question mark at the end as I wasnt sure entirely, deal with it...
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Postby asamoth » Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:59 pm

Err its not an area spell. Its a single target spell that happens to stun other mobs in the room, no damage to them. If it's going to agro the stunned mobs/room at least it should be an area spell.
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Postby Sarell » Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:12 pm

So works like the old sunray? nogs

That makes some more sense to me, as you have to be fighting something then. Tho could always just tog a shade. I was thinking you could do stuff like stop mobss pelling up, healing eachother etc etc... not necesarrily a bad thing, a bit of tactics always good. So long as it needs to be targetted I think it could work, was just wondering as I was watching its use over the last few weeks a bit.

Can you target yourself like old sunray and stun the mobs anyhow?
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Postby Shevarash » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:24 pm

No, you can't. It's a targetted damage spell with an area affect stun. The stun isn't really reliable enough to use it to twink, at least not that I've ever seen.
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Postby fotex » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:30 pm

How about this as justification: the other (untargeted) mobs that get stunned by the nightmare attack are simply too afraid to attack the caster.
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Postby Sarell » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:10 am

ah ha! now i know how it works, thanks mucho folks, just really had no idea how it worked exactly...
so you target one guy, horrifically, and have a chance to scare the crap of of some others, that's cool.
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Postby Shevarash » Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:19 pm

Exactly...the idea behind it being that the phantasmal terror induced in the victim is so powerful that it bleeds through to anyone nearby...notnough to hurt them, but jsut enough to scare the crap out of them momentarily.
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Postby Jegzed » Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:53 pm

Back when I played the "non-aggro" effect of nightmare was a BIG advantage, since you did not have to worry about !aggro mobs or blinded mobs getting engaged.
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Postby Kiloppile » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:02 pm

Shevarash wrote:Exactly...the idea behind it being that the phantasmal terror induced in the victim is so powerful that it bleeds through to anyone nearby...notnough to hurt them, but jsut enough to scare the crap out of them momentarily.


You can accomplish the same thing by carrying an effigy of Shevarash around with you, but it does tend to reduce your popularity :shock:
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Postby fotex » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:34 pm

Shevarash wrote:Exactly...the idea behind it being that the phantasmal terror induced in the victim is so powerful that it bleeds through to anyone nearby...notnough to hurt them, but jsut enough to scare the crap out of them momentarily.


Well if they're scared momentarily, why don't they just attack the caster after the temporary stun wears off?
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Postby rylan » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:53 pm

Because it scared them, not damaged them. Scaring someone isn't really an agressive act. People pay to get scared at amusement parks and for halloween.
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Postby Ashiwi » Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:07 pm

I dunno... my first instinct is to beat the hell out of anything that scares me when I'm not expecting it. Try being a spider in my house... you'll get hit with a shoe every time.

Of course, if you were causing me to hallucinate spiders, I might be too busy swinging my shoes around to notice you.
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Postby Ulnd/Folrath » Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:02 am

Give nightmare Thunderblast area damage, then make it aggro :). Nightmare is like less than 25% chance of stun anyways.
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Postby Grizz » Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:40 pm

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