Still confused about the slashing circle. :(

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Still confused about the slashing circle. :(

Postby Anab » Sat Feb 19, 2005 3:20 am

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: pretty hurt P: std > circle
An overgrown fern attacks the spectre of a forest giant, landing a single hit.
As your broadsword connects with an overgrown fern, it erupts in a burst of
shadows which bathe it in a dark cleansing pain.
You attack an overgrown fern, landing two hits.
The spectre of a forest giant attacks an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.
You barely slash an overgrown fern.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: pretty hurt P: std >
An overgrown fern switches targets..
----------------- An overgrown fern HAS SWITCHED TARGETS!! -----------------
You attack an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.
The spectre of a forest giant attacks an overgrown fern, landing two hits.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Bibad TC: excellent E: fern EC: pretty hurt P: std >
Lehom gives the spectre of a forest giant an order.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Bibad TC: excellent E: fern EC: pretty hurt P: std >
Lehom leaves north.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Bibad TC: excellent E: fern EC: pretty hurt P: std >
A Large Knot of Overgrown Ferns
Exits: -E -S
Corpse of an overgrown fern is lying here.
Corpse of Bongom is lying here.
Lehom (Human) stands here.
Simimiom (RP) (Grey Elf) stands here.
The wraith of an overgrown fern stands here.
Boboloppe (RP) (Gnome) stands in mid-air here, fighting an overgrown fern.
*A air elemental stands in mid-air here, fighting an overgrown fern.
An overgrown fern stands here, fighting A air elemental.
You flee northward!
Boboloppe attacks an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.

< 251h/282H 282p/282P 136v/137V >
< P: std > s
A Large Knot of Overgrown Ferns
Exits: -N
The spectre of a forest giant stands in mid-air here, fighting an overgrown fern.
An overgrown fern stands here, fighting the spectre of a forest giant.
A massive fern grows here, chocking the life out of the other vegetation.
A brown forest clad elf stands here, resting against a tree trunk.

< 251h/282H 282p/282P 135v/137V >
< P: std > assist spectre
You assist the spectre of a forest giant heroically.
You barely slash an overgrown fern.

< 256h/282H 282p/282P 136v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: pretty hurt P: std >
You attack an overgrown fern, landing two hits.
The spectre of a forest giant attacks an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.

< 271h/282H 282p/282P 136v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std > circle
You slash an overgrown fern.

< 279h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >
The sun begins to set in the western sky.
You attack an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >
You attack an overgrown fern, landing three hits.
The spectre of a forest giant attacks an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >
You attack an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.
The spectre of a forest giant attacks an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std > circle
You slash an overgrown fern hard.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >
An overgrown fern attacks the spectre of a forest giant, landing a single hit.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >
Your skin crawls as you hear a death cry nearby!

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >
You attack an overgrown fern, landing three hits.
The spectre of a forest giant attacks an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.

< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >
< 282h/282H 282p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: fern EC: awful P: std >

You attack an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.
The spectre of a forest giant attacks an overgrown fern, landing a single hit.
The spectre of a forest giant smashes an overgrown fern to death.
an overgrown fern is dead! R.I.P.
You receive your share of experience.
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of an overgrown fern.


You are using:
<worn as a badge> a dark onyx stone enshrouded by a red aura
<worn on head> a shining steel barbute
<worn on eyes> a crescent shaped silken eyepatch
<worn in ear> a tiny golden earring
<worn in ear> a star-shaped onyx earring
<worn on face> a tribal mask
<worn around neck> a thick dark cloak
<worn around neck> a thick chain of woven silver and gold
<worn on body> an intricate suit of Red Dragon Armor
<worn about body> a cloak of displacement
<worn as quiver> a deerskin quiver (illuminating)
<worn about waist> a leather girdle lined with moonstones
<worn around wrist> a blue adamantite bracer
<worn around wrist> a thick bracelet inset with an emerald
<worn on hands> a pair of silverish githyanki gauntlets
<worn on finger> a purple earthstone ring
<worn on finger> an onyx ring
<primary weapon> a broadsword of dancing shadows
<secondary weapon> a glowing crimson dagger
<worn on feet> a heavy pair of fire giant boots






I talked about it in Gcc but still was confused. I read the 'help circle'. If the circle counts as a backstab why am I slashing? Is this a bug or does the circle command just use your primary wepaon and if so then it's pointless to make circle a piercing only command isn't it? Shouldnt it use the dagger and pierce wether or not its a hit or miss. Was told that since I missed the pierce it slashes but as you can see it never said I missed a pierce on him. Just wondering if its a bug or I should just ignore it and move along.....Still just a noob here :(
Zizziz tells you 'ok stop spamming me with your corpses.'
Sselrahk tells you 'Still, every poke with a poking stick is a poke with a poking stick.'
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Postby Lenefir » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:53 am

What level is that rogue? Whether or not you will use your 2nd weapon depends largely on the skill level in dual wield, and the double attack skill if you use the same weapon more than once.

Also, note that if you have toggled condensed melee on for yourself you will never see when you miss, only when you hit. Oh, and yes... You can never circle and get a double backstab, so probably only using your primary weapon for that it seems. If you do a pure backstab you can get backstab with both weapons if you're lucky, but then.... if the mob isn't blind it will switch to you, also known as rogue rescue.
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Postby Anab » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:12 am

This isnt on a rogue this was on my Battle chanter level 29

Intelligence Based Skills:

listen (poor) (26)
awareness (bad) (12)
lore (poor) (25)
virtuoso (above average) (60)
quick chant (bad) (18)
spellcast generic (poor) (22)
spellcast invocation (poor) (22)
spellcast illusion (poor) (22)
spellcast healing (poor) (22)
spellcast teleportation (poor) (22)
spellcast summoning (poor) (22)
spellcast protection (poor) (22)
spellcast divination (poor) (22)
spellcast enchantment (poor) (22)
accompany (poor) (30)
healing songs (above average) (67)
melee songs (above average) (56)
magical songs (poor) (25)
baneful songs (poor) (24)

[RETURN for more, q to quit]


Wisdom Based Skills:

hide (bad) (14)
bandage (bad) (21)
clerical spell knowledge (poor) (33)

Strength Based Skills:

offense (below average) (36)
swimming (bad) (19)
defense (poor) (29)
1h bludgeon (bad) (16)
1h slashing (below average) (34)
1h piercing (above average) (60)
1h misc (bad) (12)

Constitution Based Skills:

mount (poor) (22)

Dexterity Based Skills:

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backstab (bad) (16)
dual wield (bad) (19)
switch opponents (bad) (16)
flute (average) (52)
lyre (above average) (56)
mandolin (poor) (24)
harp (poor) (24)
drums (below average) (44)
horn (poor) (24)
circle (bad) (20)
unbind (bad) (20)

Agility Based Skills:

sneak (poor) (31)
dodge (below average) (41)
escape (poor) (22)
evasion (poor) (26)



so the question still stands, why am Islashing instead of piercing?? Or is it a bug?
Zizziz tells you 'ok stop spamming me with your corpses.'

Sselrahk tells you 'Still, every poke with a poking stick is a poke with a poking stick.'

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Postby Anab » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:23 am

Ok since no one is getting the real question and the only reason why I care. I was only wondering if it was a bug or something. Why would I be slashing if the circle is a piercing only move? Yes I understand swords slash daggers pierce and all that crap but Im cutting through the bull here folks. I shouldnt be able to slash the mob with a pierce weapon only move. Is this a bug or was it intentional. I do not care if it either. Just if it is a bug I want the right people to know.
Zizziz tells you 'ok stop spamming me with your corpses.'

Sselrahk tells you 'Still, every poke with a poking stick is a poke with a poking stick.'

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Postby Lenefir » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:36 am

Intentional or not, I wouldn't know, but circle obviously gives you an extra attack outside the normal melee rounds. Now, if your primary weapon is a piercing weapon you will see the text that you attempt to circle around the mob and do a single weapon backstab. Since your piercing weapon was secondary weapon that apparently doesn't work for circle and stabbing. However, you still get the extra single melee attack, though in the lack of the primary piercing weapon you just do a normal slash.

Or something...

*shrug*

Though, as mentioned, if you have toggled condensed melee for yourself, you will not see when you miss an attack. Only those times you hit.
"Being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you; and if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch [...]. When you do things right, people won't be sure you have done anything at all"

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Postby Anab » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:55 am

The Library of the Lost
Exits: -S
A message board that says, 'Personal Story Board' hangs here.
Yussa (Yuan-Ti) stands here.
Tissenak (Yuan-Ti) stands here.
Akur (Troll) stands here.
The Archivist trudges about, rearranging books.
Krogsh prowls in from the south.
Rezah enters from the south.
Lilizillim skulks in from the south.
Gezabopug skulks in from the south.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 134v/137V >
< P: std >
Akur sends the Archivist sprawling with a powerful bash.
assist Akur

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 136v/137V >
< P: std > You assist Akur heroically.
You miss the Archivist with your slash.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 136v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: excellent E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std >
Krogsh assists Akur heroically.
Yussa assists Akur heroically.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 136v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: excellent E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std >
Rezah assists you heroically.
Rezah barely pierces the Archivist.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 136v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: excellent E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std >
Gezabopug skulks south.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: excellent E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std >
You miss the Archivist with your slash.
Akur dodges the Archivist's attack.
Akur blocks the Archivist's attack with his shield!
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing a single hit.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: excellent E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std > circle
You circle around the Archivist stabbing at his back.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: excellent E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std >
Your attack only grazes the Archivist as he dodges aside!
You barely slash the Archivist.
The Archivist's attack only grazes Akur as he dodges aside!
The Archivist attacks Akur, landing a single hit.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std > circle

As your broadsword connects with the Archivist, it erupts in a burst of
shadows which bathe him in a dark cleansing pain.
Your attack only grazes the Archivist as he dodges aside!
You barely slash the Archivist.
Akur blocks the Archivist's attack with his shield!
The Archivist clambers to his feet.
Akur's longsword glows dark and bites
into the Archivist's neck.
The Archivist seems to be blinded!
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few scratches P: std > You barely slash the Archivist.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std > circle

You miss the Archivist with your slash.
You miss the Archivist with your pierce.
The Archivist starts casting an offensive spell called 'cyclone'.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Gezabopug group-says 'getting my one heal'

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Akur sends the Archivist sprawling with a powerful bash.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std > You miss the Archivist with your slash.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
The Archivist stops chanting abruptly!

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
You barely slash the Archivist.
Akur partially blocks the Archivist's attack with his shield!
Akur partially blocks the Archivist's attack with his shield!
The Archivist attacks Akur, landing two hits.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std > circle

You miss the Archivist with your slash.Akur deflects the Archivist's blow, and strikes back at the Archivist!
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std > You barely slash the Archivist.
< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Akur group-says 'The Archivist is BLINDED!!!'

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Akur stops using an ebony bladed longsword.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Akur wields a glimmering mithril bastardsword.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Gezabopug skulks in from the south.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Yussa lets out a large, resounding burp.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Krogsh stumbles with his attack, sending his the flaming holy flamberge of the effreeti flying!
The Archivist dodges your futile attack.
Akur deflects the Archivist's blow, and strikes back at the Archivist!
The Archivist clambers to his feet.
Akur's sword begins to spark and swirl with intense colors, dazzling patterns
appearing in the air. the Archivist grabs his head in pain as the
display grows intense.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Gezabopug assists Akur heroically.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Krogsh gets the flaming holy flamberge of the effreeti.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
Krogsh wields the flaming holy flamberge of the effreeti.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std > circle
You miss the Archivist with your slash.
Akur sends the Archivist sprawling with a powerful bash.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: small wounds P: std >
As your broadsword connects with the Archivist, it erupts in a burst of
shadows which bathe him in a dark cleansing pain.
You barely slash the Archivist.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std >
Auction: Agum just put 1601313015 a bracelet of corded red-steel on the auction block with starting bid at 50 platinum!

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std >
You miss the Archivist with your slash.
You barely pierce the Archivist.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing a single hit.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std >
Akur group-says 'evil lack cleric and enchanters tho i think from the look of things'

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std >
Gezabopug attacks the Archivist, landing a single hit.
You barely slash the Archivist.
Akur parries the Archivist's lunge at him.
Akur partially deflect the Archivist's lunge at him.
The Archivist attacks Akur, landing a single hit.
The Archivist clambers to his feet.
The Archivist dodges Akur's attack.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing a single hit.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std > circle
You barely slash the Archivist.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std > circle

You miss the Archivist with your slash.
Akur blocks the Archivist's attack with his shield!
The Archivist starts casting an offensive spell.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.
Akur sends the Archivist sprawling with a powerful bash.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std >
The Archivist stops chanting abruptly!

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std > You attempt to circle around the Archivist, but he avoids you.
< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std >
Your attack only grazes the Archivist as he dodges aside!
You barely slash the Archivist.
Akur blocks the Archivist's attack with his shield!
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing two hits.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std > circle

You swing _really_ badly, sending your a broadsword of dancing shadows flying!
get shadows
wield shadows
The Archivist's attack only grazes Akur as he dodges aside!
The Archivist attacks Akur, landing a single hit.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing a single hit.

< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std > You miss the Archivist with your hit.
< 289h/289H 252p/282P 137v/137V >
< T: Akur TC: few scratches E: archivist EC: few wounds P: std >
You barely hit the Archivist.
The Archivist clambers to his feet.
Akur attacks the Archivist, landing a single hit.



I honestly dont know what to say to this anymore. Condense is at low as you can see. On initial circle i pierce but as you can see it goes from piercing and slashing to just slashing. So I'd honestly have to say this is a bug if I am getting an extra hit for both weapons or a really nice treat for the Battle Chanters. Like i said from the beginning just wondering if its a bug and should report it or just ignore it and continue to hack slash circle my way to level 50.
Zizziz tells you 'ok stop spamming me with your corpses.'

Sselrahk tells you 'Still, every poke with a poking stick is a poke with a poking stick.'

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Postby Demuladon » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:09 am

A few notes from my experience with circle:

At low levels circle-stab will work the once near the start of the fight then for the rest of the fight circle will just produce an extra normal attack. At higher levels of proficiency circle will produce more stabs instead of normal attacks.

If you are not wielding a piercer (either primary or secondary it doesn't matter) then circle won't work. Your primary weapon will do the 'circling'.

Your log indicates a slash attack after each circle attempt so you were (probably?) primary wielding the broadsword though it would be useful to look at your eq list to confirm if you are primary wielding slashing and piercing secondary (or vice-versa).


Your highlighted circle attempts:
I'm guessing your first highlighted circle was a stab that occured with your sword (unlike backstab, circle works with non-piercers as long as you have a secondary wielded piercer). I suspect the highlighted missed pierce attack two circles later was just a normal secondary piercing attack that was missed. When you fumbled your broadsword circle produced an attempted bare hand hit.

The real question is.. why is your battlechanter using slashing? :P
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Postby Selias » Sat Feb 19, 2005 4:53 pm

To me it looks like you're wielding a sword which is a slashing weapon, so regardless of if circle is a piercing only move you're going to get the appropriate damage message for your weapon type. Maybe it's a bug that you can circle while wielding a slashing weapon.

Also, if u are dual wielding and ur offhand is a piercer, then maybe circle is letting you use the command, but only taking your primary weapon into effect. Again i'm not sure b/c i don't know what kind of weapons you are wielding.
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Postby Anab » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:43 pm

I was using the same eq that i had listed before in the same slots. hehe and i wield a sword for the proc damage when im in groups. The GCD is the only other weapon i have that procs in the secondary slot. So it would seem that it is just doing my job and im just a noob and got confused easily. Like i said though this was only about to see if its a bug.
Zizziz tells you 'ok stop spamming me with your corpses.'

Sselrahk tells you 'Still, every poke with a poking stick is a poke with a poking stick.'

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