Blur
Blur
OK - Please don't flame the newb Illusionist but...
Why isn't Blur an Illusionist spell? It seems to be better suited to Illusionist class..
My thoughts are:
1. The primary reason Enchanters have Blur is that they were created first. Illusionists would have gotten it if they had been created at the same time.
2. Making it an Illusionist spell would save the Enchanters some 'spellup agony' in zones. Let Illusionists carry the load a little bit.
3. In FR it's an Illusionist spell. (I realize that the game is only BASED on FR)
I'm wondering what other Illusionists think...
Why isn't Blur an Illusionist spell? It seems to be better suited to Illusionist class..
My thoughts are:
1. The primary reason Enchanters have Blur is that they were created first. Illusionists would have gotten it if they had been created at the same time.
2. Making it an Illusionist spell would save the Enchanters some 'spellup agony' in zones. Let Illusionists carry the load a little bit.
3. In FR it's an Illusionist spell. (I realize that the game is only BASED on FR)
I'm wondering what other Illusionists think...
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it should just be removed altogether. illusionists have displace :-P
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Gura wrote:it should just be removed altogether. illusionists have displace :-P
I agree Blur and Displace are similar illusions but they are different in use (at least here on Toril). Blur is an illusion that offers limited protection from both physical damage and spelldamage but lasts a long time (doesn't 'wear off' as it absorbs/shields from damage). Displace is more like stone/scales in that it offers greater protection but only from physical damage and it 'wears off' as it protects. It will expire due to use where Blur will not. At least I think that is how it works.
I think they are useful and complementary, not redundant. Both spells exist in FR, displace being the more powerful illusion. It seems that way on this mud too. The point is, aren't they both illusions? Wouldn't it be helpful to Enchanters to give Blur to Illusionists?
Illusionists being able to blur themselves on top of displace and mirror would be ridiculously powerful for them individually. They already pretty much can't be hit.
Chanter's don't have many facets to their job, giving one of their two main spells, and probably best tank spell, to another class would really undermine any reason to bring them to zones.
Even if it does sound like an illusion spell, sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for terms of gameplay / balance imho.
On a side note, rather than removing blur as Gura said, If AC was reduced drastically on caster items I think it would assist in 'balancing' blur and displace.
Chanter's don't have many facets to their job, giving one of their two main spells, and probably best tank spell, to another class would really undermine any reason to bring them to zones.
Even if it does sound like an illusion spell, sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for terms of gameplay / balance imho.
On a side note, rather than removing blur as Gura said, If AC was reduced drastically on caster items I think it would assist in 'balancing' blur and displace.
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Hmm, being an enchanter I'd be upset if blur was removed from my class. However, from a balance perspective I can see it being a legit move. I remember doing ship xp and tanks telling me to blur them before stone. Apparently it is a great defensive spell for some reason. I see a possibility that this could become a quest spell for illusionists as a form of upgraded displace, sort of how dragonscales are an upgraded form of stone skin
Of course the spell would have to be re-coded, but if it was to move to the illusionist class I think that is how it should be done.
Does anyone know how blur works? Does the combat engine check for a successful hit, then roll against blur for a 20% or so chance that the attack missed, or does it do the miss calculation before the hit calculation?
Of course the spell would have to be re-coded, but if it was to move to the illusionist class I think that is how it should be done.
Does anyone know how blur works? Does the combat engine check for a successful hit, then roll against blur for a 20% or so chance that the attack missed, or does it do the miss calculation before the hit calculation?
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blur would not result in less invites for enchanters
blur would seriously make illusionists damn near unkillable (not that they already arent)
i'd vote with gura, remove it. Alternatively, i'd vote you just make stone not work on incorporeals and require enc to use use of blur instead. Scale/stone, powerful but doesnt work on incorporeal, displace less powerful but works on all, blur an enchanter spell less powerful than displace but works on incorporeal.
blur would seriously make illusionists damn near unkillable (not that they already arent)
i'd vote with gura, remove it. Alternatively, i'd vote you just make stone not work on incorporeals and require enc to use use of blur instead. Scale/stone, powerful but doesnt work on incorporeal, displace less powerful but works on all, blur an enchanter spell less powerful than displace but works on incorporeal.
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What Kiryan said. I never did understand how stoneskin and dscales works on a mob or PC who has no skin.
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another idea....make blur !compatible with dscales. make people choose....stone and blur or dscales. would be fair imo.
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Why wouldn't removing blur effect whether or not you bought an enchanter to your group? Id certainly be trying to bring ele's instead, with spells chipping at stone you want blur as your buffer in place, so if blur wasnt around you would really want tanks to be warded. Blur is one of the only spells chanters have that can't be replicated by another class. Scales if just a bigger version of stone, but essentially they both only block the little hits anyhow. Reduce is neat in some places.
Illusionists have displace, displace is awesome, they don't need blur aswell. Illusionists would be able to team up with rogues/rangers and displace/blur them.
If they made it so you could blur incorporal beings again you would have another bug to fix, the reason why it was taken out in the first place, it just doesn't fit with the blur spell.
Illusionists have displace, displace is awesome, they don't need blur aswell. Illusionists would be able to team up with rogues/rangers and displace/blur them.
If they made it so you could blur incorporal beings again you would have another bug to fix, the reason why it was taken out in the first place, it just doesn't fit with the blur spell.
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Do any of you people read help files? Blur is an enchantment, not an illusion. It works on the target itself, not by creating an illusion of said target.
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