Level 50 exp buffer

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Level 50 exp buffer

Postby Llaaldara » Fri May 27, 2005 6:20 pm

I've heard some high numbers. So what do you have? Let's see who's got the highest. Be honest.

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Postby Botef » Fri May 27, 2005 6:48 pm

Didnt Lili roll her xp over? Botef had almost 80% till some Rhemoraz's ate it with mayonaise for lunch.
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Postby Raiwen » Fri May 27, 2005 7:32 pm

Nuggog is at 104% right now. Everytime I go to minos to collect axes, I notch another %.
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Postby Arilin Nydelahar » Fri May 27, 2005 7:46 pm

Score information for Thalidyrr

Level: 50 Race: Grey Elf Class: Ranger
Hit points: 622(622) Moves: 132(132)
Experience Progress: 615 %
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Postby Pril » Fri May 27, 2005 7:57 pm

Yeah this contest is just silly Lili wins hands down. :p
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Postby kiryan » Fri May 27, 2005 8:23 pm

actually pava has the highest % because rogues have smaller exp tables. I think hes around 4,800%

however, lilithelle actually rolled over the variable that stores exp and leveled from 50 to 1 (when you try to store a # to big to fit in a particular variable it usually goes negative).
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Postby Lilira » Sat May 28, 2005 1:45 am

Lilira - 0% *halo* I used to have about 40.. then I died a bunch in I think it was Izans?? I've slept since then. Anytime I take her zoning, I cross my fingers. *grin*
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Postby Thilindel » Sat May 28, 2005 3:44 am

Score information for Thilindel

Level: 50 Race: Grey Elf Class: Elementalist
Hit points: 701(701) Moves: 140(140)
Experience Progress: 481 %
Coins carried: 18 platinum 0 gold 0 silver 0 copper
Coins in bank: 453 platinum 7631 gold 1344 silver 10 copper
Prestige: 6255 Acheron Kill Count: 0
Citizen of: Leuthilspar
Playing time: 54 days / 18 hours/ 35 minutes
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Enchantments: Fly Waterbreath

Score information for Lythix

Level: 50 Race: Grey Elf Class: Invoker
Hit points: 565(547) Moves: 135(135)
Experience Progress: 389 %
Coins carried: 0 platinum 0 gold 0 silver 0 copper
Coins in bank: 779 platinum 1673 gold 8306 silver 99 copper
Prestige: 6570 Acheron Kill Count: 0
Citizen of: Leuthilspar
Playing time: 54 days / 4 hours/ 25 minutes
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Status: Standing.
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Postby Ragorn » Sat May 28, 2005 8:14 am

It's odd that the playtimes on your two level 50s are within 16 hours of each other.
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Postby Elet » Sat May 28, 2005 12:02 pm

elet 220%
uta 664%
teguh 114%

thats all
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Postby Thilindel » Sat May 28, 2005 6:08 pm

Ragorn wrote:It's odd that the playtimes on your two level 50s are within 16 hours of each other.


Have Taloma copy/paste my guy's time for me then

I found it more disturbing to see that I've invested 110 days straight time in those two chars. That's like playing MORE than summer break non stop on the mud *sigh*
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Postby Nekelet » Sat May 28, 2005 7:23 pm

Thilindel wrote:I found it more disturbing to see that I've invested 110 days straight time in those two chars. That's like playing MORE than summer break non stop on the mud *sigh*


#trig {playing time} {#gag}

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Postby Talona » Sat May 28, 2005 11:44 pm

It's Talona, with an N. And what do I care about your character's p-times? :P
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Postby Thilindel » Sun May 29, 2005 3:25 am

Talona wrote:It's Talona, with an N. And what do I care about your character's p-times? :P


It's not that I can't remember spelling of names, it's that I suck at typing :P Sorry!
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Postby Delmair Aamoren » Sun May 29, 2005 4:51 pm

ok, short of pava and lilithelle, i might have a 3rd place winner....

2835%!

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Postby Botef » Sun May 29, 2005 7:10 pm

Dont think so Delmair, I believe a certain stabber in t-shades has around 4700! :p
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Postby auslyx » Mon May 30, 2005 3:18 pm

We're not seriously considering rogue xp here, are we? :D
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Postby Corth » Mon May 30, 2005 4:49 pm

IMHO, excluding rogues because they are easy to keep alive in bad situations and easy to get exp, anyone who has a very large level 50 buffer is either playing the game too safely, playing it way too much, or is casting 'word of recall' too quickly, and regardless, really ought to find a new hobby...
Having said all that, the situation has been handled, so this thread is pretty much at an end. -Kossuth

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Postby Yasden » Mon May 30, 2005 5:45 pm

I think I'm the exception to that generalization, Corth. :P

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Level: 50   Race: Troll   Class: Warrior     
Hit points: 859(960)  Moves: 142(142)
Experience Progress: 587 %
Coins carried:    0 platinum     0 gold     0 silver     0 copper
Coins in bank:  521 platinum     4 gold     1 silver     6 copper
Prestige: 9031   Acheron Kill Count: -16
Citizen of:   Ghore
Outcast from: Griffon's Nest
Playing time: 220 days / 20 hours/ 41 minutes
Title: Mosh Dwarf - To'Ryll Avuna - Orbdrin D'oloth
Status:  Standing.
Detecting:       Good Magic Life Heat
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                Score information for Aristan

Level: 50   Race: Human   Class: Anti-Paladin
Hit points: 543(548)  Moves: 122(122)
Experience Progress: 327 %
Coins carried:    0 platinum     0 gold     0 silver     0 copper
Coins in bank: 6479 platinum  12038 gold  5549 silver  9925 copper
Prestige: 7007   Acheron Kill Count: -15
Citizen of:   Baldur's Gate
Outcast from: Leuthilspar
Playing time: 73 days / 12 hours/ 0 minutes
Title: Vassant
Status:  Standing.
Detecting:       Good Life Heat
Enchantments:    Farsee


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                Score information for Danahg

Level: 46   Race: Human   Class: Druid       
Hit points: 799(775)  Moves: 122(122)
Experience Progress: 50 %
Coins carried:   46 platinum    39 gold   179 silver     9 copper
Coins in bank:  428 platinum   439 gold   205 silver    36 copper
Prestige: 5252   Acheron Kill Count: 0
Citizen of:   Waterdeep
Outcast from: Leuthilspar
Playing time: 19 days / 11 hours/ 1 minutes
Title:
Status:  Standing.
Detecting:       Good Life


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                Score information for Raskan

Level: 46   Race: Ogre   Class: Shaman     
Hit points: 330(330)  Moves: 175(175)
Experience Progress: 39 %
Coins carried:    2 platinum     8 gold     3 silver     7 copper
Coins in bank:  816 platinum  2719 gold  2368 silver  2799 copper
Prestige: 5062   Acheron Kill Count: 0
Citizen of:   Faang
Outcast from: Griffon's Nest
Playing time: 36 days / 18 hours/ 18 minutes
Title: Smrt Boldr
Status:  Standing.
Detecting:       Heat


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                Score information for Syjak

Level: 37   Race: Orc   Class: Dire Raider
Hit points: 429(423)  Moves: 126(126)
Experience Progress: 85 %
Coins carried:  121 platinum   359 gold   208 silver   132 copper
Coins in bank:  102 platinum   981 gold  2914 silver  3746 copper
Prestige: 4150   Acheron Kill Count: 0
Citizen of:   Bloodtusk
Outcast from: Griffon's Nest
Playing time: 5 days / 5 hours/ 29 minutes
Title:
Status:  Standing.
Detecting:       Invisible Heat




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Postby Ashiwi » Tue May 31, 2005 12:11 am

Playing time: 312 days / 13 hours/ 39 minutes

Experience Progress: 286 %


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Postby Corth » Tue May 31, 2005 12:22 am

Yasden:

With those many combined pdays you definately fit within my generalization. :)
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Postby Yasden » Tue May 31, 2005 1:20 pm

Yes, but I don't have 6000% xp either... :P

I still think we need to exp you to 50th. *tug*
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Nerox tells you 'man this thing is kicking my ass and i have blisters!'

Nerox tells you 'ok attempting it again put tape on my fingers for easier sliding'
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Postby Vigis » Tue May 31, 2005 4:17 pm

Vigis is slightly over 300% After that fateful BC trip when I lost 50, 49, and 48 all in one night, I figured I'd better get a bit of a buffer because those skills took FOREVER to notch back up....glad they fixed that :)
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Postby Llaaldara » Tue May 31, 2005 6:16 pm

kiryan wrote:actually pava has the highest % because rogues have smaller exp tables. I think hes around 4,800%

however, lilithelle actually rolled over the variable that stores exp and leveled from 50 to 1 (when you try to store a # to big to fit in a particular variable it usually goes negative).


How much exp is it for the rollover to happen?
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Postby Nurpy Fuzzyfeet » Tue May 31, 2005 6:28 pm

Llaaldara wrote:
kiryan wrote:actually pava has the highest % because rogues have smaller exp tables. I think hes around 4,800%

however, lilithelle actually rolled over the variable that stores exp and leveled from 50 to 1 (when you try to store a # to big to fit in a particular variable it usually goes negative).


How much exp is it for the rollover to happen?


It varies from class to class I think.
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Postby selerial » Tue May 31, 2005 9:01 pm

Nurpy Fuzzyfeet wrote:
Llaaldara wrote:
kiryan wrote:actually pava has the highest % because rogues have smaller exp tables. I think hes around 4,800%

however, lilithelle actually rolled over the variable that stores exp and leveled from 50 to 1 (when you try to store a # to big to fit in a particular variable it usually goes negative).


How much exp is it for the rollover to happen?


It varies from class to class I think.


Strictly speaking, her question is correct. The TNL% varies from class to class, but the actual number itself is going to be the same since it's stored in a variable which has one maximum ceiling. I have no idea what sort of xp we're looking at, but just knowing a little binary you could probably guess at the number. However whether it's 65536 (16 bits), 4,294,967,295 (32 bits), or 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 (64 bits), since we never actually see the XP numbers it's not useful information, though it is interesting to think about.

I got those numbers by using a scientific calculator and entering 16, 32, and 64 ones in to the binary side, then switched to the decimal side, fwiw.
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Postby Raiwen » Tue May 31, 2005 9:12 pm

selerial wrote:I got those numbers by using a scientific calculator and entering 16, 32, and 64 ones in to the binary side, then switched to the decimal side, fwiw.


you can get the same numbers by taking 2 to the power of bits. Like 2^32. However, when you're dealing with signed numbers (negative and positive), you may have 32 bits, but only 31 bits are used for the number and the last bit is used for the sign. So, you need to take 2^31 and subtract one, to get the highest positive value a 32-bit register or variable can hold.

2,147,483,647
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Postby Llaaldara » Tue May 31, 2005 9:37 pm

Um.. I just wanted to know what her percentage was before it rolled over. 999%, or 9,999%? was 10,000% exp the rollover? or was it 100,000%?

Since it's percentage, I'd think it would be the same percentage for all classes to hit rollover. So what percentage is rollover?
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Postby selerial » Tue May 31, 2005 9:55 pm

Llaaldara wrote:Um.. I just wanted to know what her percentage was before it rolled over. 999%, or 9,999%? was 10,000% exp the rollover? or was it 100,000%?

Since it's percentage, I'd think it would be the same percentage for all classes to hit rollover. So what percentage is rollover?


Er, no. When you store a variable in some sort of programming language, you usually have to define if you want it to be an INT, WORD, LONG, etc, and those will have a maximum bit size. So the xp is stored in that variable and can only reach that high before "funny things (TM)" start happening, if you don't program to expect the ceiling to be reached. On the other hand, the % of your xp is based (probably not strictly) on the D&D xp tables, where a rogue with 1,000,000 xp is probably going to be higher level than a mage with 1,000,000 xp. If I had to guess, I'd say the percentage that's shown when you type "sco" is probably calculated right then and there, rather than being stored in it's own variable. Hence, the actual XP number itself is the same across all classes, but the percentage can vary widely.
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Postby Eilistraee » Tue May 31, 2005 10:01 pm

The rollover bug was fixed the night it happened, just as a note :)
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Postby Raiwen » Tue May 31, 2005 10:05 pm

Llaaldara wrote:Since it's percentage, I'd think it would be the same percentage for all classes to hit rollover. So what percentage is rollover?


the percentage would be different, but the actual amount of XP would be the same.

Let's assume it's a 32-bit signed integer for the xp variable.

This would mean the xp bar would roll over at an experience total of 2,147,483,647 points.

As a rogue, let's assume that you need 1 billion xp points to get to 50, yet there is only a difference of 20 million xp points from 49 to 50.

1,000,000,000 (20 million of those took you from 49 to 50).

thus, for every 20 million xp points you get, your xp bar grows by 100%.

So, your percentage bar would be at 5737% when it rolled over.

However, as an enchanter, let's assume you need 1.5 billion xp points to get to 50, yet there is only a difference of 40 million xp points from 49 to 50.

1,500,000,000 (40 million of those took you from 49 to 50).

Now, your percentage bar would read 1618% when it rolled over.
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I don't know the real xp tables, and I know they are curved to allow lower xp per level at the lower levels and greater xp per level at the higher levels, but this example is just from my head and pocket calculator.
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Postby Llaaldara » Tue May 31, 2005 10:20 pm

Well I was under the impression that each class had different exp tables.

Is this not true? Are all exp tables per level the same for all classes? and some classes just exp faster because they have skills that reward more exp? and the percentage of exp upon mob death is different per class?

Like for an enchanter to get 50th it might require 200 million exp
and for a warrior it might be 100 million exp

If it takes 20 million exp for 49th to 50th level for the enchanter
and 10 million exp for 49th to 50th for the warrior

It's still 10% for both of them. So if either hit score at that point, they'd both still see 10%.
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Postby Vigis » Tue May 31, 2005 10:35 pm

No, it is the actual number that matters if Lilithelle's exp is any indicator. She was at approx 4k and I believe Pava actually had a higher % than Lilithelle when she rolled over.
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Postby selerial » Tue May 31, 2005 11:19 pm

Let's see if I can list the elements and make this clear.

XP is stored in a variable.

The variable maximum is the same between all classes.

The variable is therefore capped at the same size for all classes.

The variable is most likely to be either 32 or 64 bits, with an outside chance for it being 16 or 128 bits.

The xp% is calculated by taking the amount of xp you need for your next level and dividing it by the amount you already have towards that level.

Classes have different xp tables.

The xp % shown is therefore different for all classes.

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I'm confusing myself a little by trying to state this succinctly and logically correctly, but the long and the short of it is that the xp% that any class rolls over at will be different from any other class. The answers that Raiwen and I gave answered your initial question, but clearly that wasn't the real question that you were asking.
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Postby kiryan » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:16 am

You can esticalc the % over 50 at which you have exactly 2x the exp at 50 using trophy. For cleric this was about 671% I believe. I think someone said once upon a time that it was 280mill xp to level 50 for a cleric so at 671% you have about 560 million exp, at 1342% you'd have about 840 million exp ect ect ect. Different classes with different required amounts of exp to 50 would post different %s and hit the exp "cap" at different numbers.

Based on those kind of calcuations, what lilithelle said her exp % was and 2^x power, the exp cap is right at 2 billion (probably exactly 2,147,483,647). Since Lilithelle no longer gains %'s of exp (herse), the "fix" is somewhat obviously to discard exp that would exceed the cap.

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Postby Silverast Rubicyn » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:49 pm

Score information for Talsor

Level: 50 Race: Half-Elf Class: Bard
Hit points: 665(665) PSP's: 452(452) Moves: 134(134)
Experience Progress: 323 %
Coins carried: 0 platinum 4 gold 0 silver 0 copper
Coins in bags: 2194 platinum 0 gold 0 silver 0 copper
Coins in bank: 9659 platinum 7 gold 3 silver 2 copper
Prestige: 8865 Acheron Kill Count: 0
Citizen of: Waterdeep
Playing time: 87 days / 20 hours/ 46 minutes
Title: Al'Medin, -Minstrel- Scions of Netheril
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