Lich vs. Lava Burst

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Lich vs. Lava Burst

Postby Thilindel » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:10 am

Ok, can someone see what's up with lava burst and being a lich? I've been eating 313-358 lava bursts ever since liching. I have prot_all and -13 spell save yet, weakest lava burst to since being a lich is 313 damage.

Then from there you get that stupid burn after the spell that chips another 150+ damage. This last round of stupidity killed me! Bleh. For the record, incendiary cloud isn't this strong vs. me *shrug*
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Postby Nekelet » Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:50 am

*shrug* Does seem like lava hurts more than it used to.
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Postby Areandon » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:10 am

Hmmms, actually got lava bursted yesterday with my ele and i think it did only like 200 hps damage (apart from fire damage) with -15sv_spell. Liches burn better? Would seem logical since they're all bone and no moisture :P

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Postby Yasden » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:35 pm

Lava burst is supposed to be a nasty spell, and way more damage than cloud. It can outright kill my troll at full health (unvitted 960) if I fail the save on it.
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Postby Thilindel » Mon Sep 05, 2005 6:48 pm

I quit playing my ele..been lvl 50 for like 3 yrs. IMHO, with what ele's have to work with, lava shouldn't outdo an invoker's 7th circle *shrug*

But it's not that as much as lava burst does more to lich than it should. When my other chars get hit with lava, it's 200 damage or so. Since last night, I ate another 5 lava's and they still all do more than 300 damage. Petitioned it and someone jokingly said it was cuz lich burns easily, then they said they were just kidding. They're not or it'd be in the helpfile was what I was told. There definitely is something up with it tho.
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Postby amolol » Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:21 am

just so you guys know in d&d 2nd and 3rd edition all undead hve a weakness to fire. corpses burn very well i might add. this might be part of the problem, as for cloud think if it as a giant blast of smokey steam. not realy much there to burn more so irritate. at least thats the way i see it. i could be totaly wrong on the clou thing.
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Postby Nekelet » Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:08 pm

Yeah, it makes sense that a dessicated corpse would go up in smoke quickly. So if we accept this as the reason, then why do the dry corpses still emit body heat, though the other corpses (pets) don't.

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Postby Branthur » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:45 am

amolol wrote:just so you guys know in d&d 2nd and 3rd edition all undead hve a weakness to fire.


Cite this please. I'm not finding anything in AD&D, 2nd edition AD&D, 3rd, or 3.5 monster manuals that support this claim.

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Postby amolol » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:52 am

regular d&d 2nd and third. i read it in a friends book somewhere. ill hafto try and dig it up for you might take me a bit, friend moved cause his appt flooded and now not sure on his adress
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Postby Sarell » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:35 am

Lich is the new ranger.

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Postby Thilindel » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:25 pm

< 886h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std > group
Jerrin completes his spell...
Jerrin utters the words, 'firewave'
Jerrin sends forth a wave of fire!
You flesh erupts in flames from Jerrin's wave of fire!
Jerrin directs waves of fire toward the spectre of Captain Halcorr, whose body erupts in flames.
Jerrin directs waves of fire toward the spectre of Deremis, whose body erupts in flames.

< 856h/667H 120v/120V > --------------30 damage!!!
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
You miss Jerrin with your crush.
The spectre of Deremis dodges Jerrin's attack.
Jerrin dodges the spectre of Captain Halcorr's attack.

< 854h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
You barely crush Jerrin.
Jerrin barely hits the spectre of Deremis.
Jerrin starts casting an offensive spell.
The spectre of Captain Halcorr drains Jerrin.
The spectre of Deremis barely drains Jerrin.

< 849h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
You barely crush Jerrin.
The spectre of Captain Halcorr drains Jerrin.
The spectre of Deremis's attack only grazes Jerrin as he dodges aside!
The spectre of Deremis barely drains Jerrin.

< 846h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
Jerrin completes his spell...
Jerrin utters the words, 'yufzxazz'
Jerrin sends forth a wave of fire!
You flesh erupts in flames from Jerrin's wave of fire!
Jerrin directs waves of fire toward the spectre of Captain Halcorr, whose body erupts in flames.
Jerrin directs waves of fire toward the spectre of Deremis, whose body erupts in flames.

< 813h/667H 120v/120V > --------------LOL omg, stop! You're killing me!
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
You miss Jerrin with your crush.
The spectre of Deremis dodges Jerrin's attack.
The spectre of Captain Halcorr's attack only grazes Jerrin as he dodges aside!
The spectre of Captain Halcorr barely drains Jerrin.
The spectre of Deremis drains Jerrin.

< 812h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
A scaled rat leaves north.

< 810h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
You miss Jerrin with your crush.
Jerrin's attack only grazes the spectre of Deremis as it dodges aside!
Jerrin barely hits the spectre of Deremis.
Jerrin starts casting an offensive spell called 'icewave'.
The spectre of Captain Halcorr drains Jerrin hard.
The spectre of Deremis drains Jerrin.
The spectre of Deremis drains Jerrin hard.

< 809h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
Your attack only grazes Jerrin as he dodges aside!
You barely crush Jerrin.
The spectre of Deremis drains Jerrin very hard.

< 806h/667H 120v/120V >
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
Jerrin completes his spell...
Jerrin utters the words, 'icewave'
Jerrin sends forth a wave of ice!
Jerrin directs waves of freezing ice towards you, and your flesh crackles and freezes.
OUCH! That really did HURT!
Jerrin directs waves of freezing ice towards the spectre of Captain Halcorr, whose flesh crackles and freezes.
Jerrin directs waves of freezing ice towards the spectre of Deremis, whose flesh crackles and freezes.

< 710h/667H 120v/120V > ----GASP! What's this? ICE doing more?
< T: spectre TC: excellent E: jerrin EC: awful P: std >
Your attack only grazes Jerrin as he dodges aside!
You barely crush Jerrin.
Jerrin barely hits the spectre of Deremis.
Jerrin barely hits the spectre of Deremis.
Jerrin dodges the spectre of Captain Halcorr's attack.
The spectre of Deremis's attack only grazes Jerrin as he dodges aside!
The spectre of Deremis drains Jerrin.

Now come on..30 damage from firewave vs. 350+ hps from lava. Not sure what strikes me crazy as to either lava is over 10x stronger than firewave PLUS burns your ass for x rounds after, or that an elementalist gets that kind of firepower in the first place, OR the fact that only lich class (ignoring the default fire prone troll) is absolutely eating damage on a bug. As I said before, please fix this! :)
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Postby Nekelet » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:35 pm

You know, the net effect of this post is next week, firewave and icewave are totally going to kick yer butt.

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Postby Eilistraee » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:46 pm

I should have a fix in soon, there were a couple of glitches present that'll be fixed.

As a note, when I respond to a mudmail saying I'm looking into it, futher bbs posts on the topic on the same day are somewhat extraneous. But thanks for the heads up :)
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Postby fotex » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:37 pm

yeah, if you were to ask me, i'd think firewave would top icewave in terms of damage done to undead. i have no sources to back this up though. :(
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Postby kiryan » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:56 pm

if liches don't emit heat then mobs without ultra wont be able to track players in the dark =)
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Postby Sarell » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:58 am

But when you track something you are looking for tracks where you are, not where the mob is :|




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Postby Llaaldara » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:08 pm

amolol wrote:regular d&d 2nd and third. i read it in a friends book somewhere. ill hafto try and dig it up for you might take me a bit, friend moved cause his appt flooded and now not sure on his adress


http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/d_and_d.html

Which version are you trying to refer to exactly?
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Postby Branthur » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:50 pm

In no version of any monster manual that I can find do undead (as a whole) have an actual weakness to fire. Many are resistant to cold, but resistant to cold != weakness to fire. There are even a few undead fire beings that LIKE fire. Now, those are neither here nor there, but liches do not have a weakness to fire. *shrug*
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Postby Pril » Wed Sep 14, 2005 6:56 pm

Branthur wrote:In no version of any monster manual that I can find do undead have an actual weakness to fire. Many are resistant to cold, but resistant to cold != weakness to fire. There are even a few undead fire beings that LIKE fire. Now, those are neither here nor there, but liches do not have a weakness to fire. *shrug*


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Postby Nekelet » Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:15 pm

Pril wrote:
Branthur wrote:In no version of any monster manual that I can find do undead have an actual weakness to fire. Many are resistant to cold, but resistant to cold != weakness to fire. There are even a few undead fire beings that LIKE fire. Now, those are neither here nor there, but liches do not have a weakness to fire. *shrug*


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Pril, they're talking about fire damage, not your 'flamer's word'.
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Postby Dalar » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:19 pm

Branthur wrote:In no version of any monster manual that I can find do undead (as a whole) have an actual weakness to fire. Many are resistant to cold, but resistant to cold != weakness to fire. There are even a few undead fire beings that LIKE fire. Now, those are neither here nor there, but liches do not have a weakness to fire. *shrug*

the funny thing is, you took a dyslexic's word for it.
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Postby Yasden » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:44 pm

Undead are suspectible to fire. If you're playing a console game.
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