What exactly is RP?

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What exactly is RP?

Postby Pril » Sat May 31, 2008 11:57 pm

I'd really like your input on the conversation below. What is considered RP and what isn't.

Gizep says 'this is evil town dont like it move to freaking bg'
Xopia says 'who?'
Gizep says 'ym'
You say 'gizep isn't there a better place you can troll? like WoW?'
Gizep says 'no, ive trolled here for 15 years'
Gizep says 'gonna have to ban me'
Xopia says 'you realize how pointless it is right'
Gizep says 'do it'
Gizep says 'id love to have my title come true'
Gizep says 'and my mud name'
You say 'now why would you tell someone who doesn't have a god to ban you?'
Gizep says 'cuz yer a fagala?'
You say 'so here's another question'
You say 'i've never called you a single name, what makes you think that it's a) ok to call me one and b) anything short of stupid to call me one?'
Gizep tells you 'hello i always have rp togged and will always be in char unless you see a :p'
You say 'how is calling someone a fagala RP?'
You say 'pondscum or wussy human sure'
You say 'fagala isn't RP'
Gizep says 'im evil and i like calling people names hello'
You say 'peer look up what RP is'
You say 'then we'll talk some more'
Gizep says 'and just cuz this is how i do it dont mean im wrong, its how i do it, enough of this bullshit thanks :p'
You say 'it's not wrong just because YOU do it, it's HOW you do it that makes it wrong'
Gizep says 'i said im done discussing it'
You say 'RP isn't running around calling all non evil races fagots/chinks/kykes/waps/and antyhing else you can thing of'
Gizep says 'how bout blow me read my above statement'
You say 'he's done discussing it because he can't have an intellectual discussion about it'
Gizep says 'now all i get is blank lines when they talk'
You say 'it's what people do, when they can't justify their actions they hide behind stupid shit'

So my questions are mostly to the gods:

a) why do we have to put up with this stuff in game?
b) why is using ethnic/racial/sexual slurs in game acceptable?
c) just because you have an RP flag togged on does that give you the right to say anything you want and use RP as a cover?

Just trying to clarify the rules.

Thanks
Mike

PS:
info rp_abuse:

'I'm RPing' is not a valid excuse for the abuse or violation of any mud
rules. Player-killing, sexual harassment, killing shopkeepers, and all
other forbidden activities and actions are still forbidden, even if you
claim to be roleplaying.

'I'm only RPing' is not a valid excuse for offensive or abusive speech or
behavior if it seems to be directed at the person behind the
character. Torilmud has rules against sexual harassment and hateful and
offensive speech, and the Forgers' have requested you treat others with
common courtesy.
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby alendar » Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:32 am

gagged him for same reason....
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Gormal » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:18 am

Gizep says 'ym'

This. This is RP.
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Auril » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:36 am

Help Roleplay and Info Roleplay discuss this quite a bit.

For this instance, I would suggest viewing info rp_abuse. I would not consider insulting another person without a deeper context to be roleplay, regardless of alignment.

If you are concerned about being mistreated, please consider Help Rules, specifically point 13. Generally, a player will be encouraged to ask the person doing the insults to please stop, and if the treatment is not discontinued we can take action. I'd say that since Gizep took action to not see you, and thus would be expected to not target you, the situation might be resolved. If you have further questions about this, please contact the staff.

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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Pril » Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:44 am

Auril thank you for your response. The issue is Gizep routinly does this to a lot of players and always claims it as RP. Just because he may stop doing it to me, he won't stop all together. And while it won't matter to me TOO much it does bother me that since thise goes on over says, new players see it and shouldn't have to deal with it. So i guess having the RP sphere's input on this can we get an admin's input please?

Thanks
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Shar » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:48 pm

The admin pov is exactly the same as what Auril pointed out. If it goes against the rules, the staff should be made aware of the problem so we can work to remedy it.

RP is "in theme" behavior suitable to the station of the character. A drow speaking to a human might be insulting, but they would do it intelligently and more than likely with weaponry or magic instead of using words and phrasing that only exist in the RL here and now.

Keep in mind, a *lot* of people who claim RP do so for various reasons, but right there at the top of the list is as an excuse for poor choices or behavior. Also, many people who do try to RP do it badly. Some people have a talent for it, others do not. This does not mean they should not try, it just means it may not be what another is capable of.

In this specific case (and others that I have witnessed that are nearly identical) I'd have to say that Gizep is simply being rude and is using the old line of "I can be rude because I have RP toggled on!" to make poor behavior seem reasonable.

Remember that in game unmoderated, free RP is a privilege just like any other ability in game. Abuse it and watch it get taken away. The overwhelming majority of players who RP here or who have ever RP'd here do so perfectly within the rules, however there will always be the occasional deviant.
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Ragorn » Mon Jun 02, 2008 3:55 pm

lulz @ fagala
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby flib » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:13 am

ya, calling someone a fag = non rp heh, i'm fairly sure in any of the sojourn or halfling gem's or any of those series of books no drow ever used any foul language.

Also, they wouldn't have used human vocabulary fag is a slang, a human slang not a faerunian slang, if it really was rp the foul language would be something that normal humans would probably find non offensive.
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Hyldryn » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:42 am

Well, my drow skills are pretty bad. Couldnt "fagala" in drow be translated into something like "the person I idolize and actually am strangely attracted to"?
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Ragorn » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:42 pm

On-topic.

Calling someone a fag isn't RP, it's verbal harassment. Trolls don't call people fags. They don't retort "your mom," and they don't say "you're gonna have to ban me." That's not roleplaying, that's selectively using RP as an excuse to be a jackass.

And if there's any doubt, then I think when Gizep refered to his "mud name," he put to rest any questions about whether he was speaking in-character. Or did he turn off his RP flag for this conversation?

Sounds like you've got a problem user. Having half the mud #gag him isn't really a solution.
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Pril » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:45 pm

I agree with Rags,

I mean sure 99% of the mud could gag him but since i hear "ym" out of him over gcc at least once a day the issue becomes new players who have to put up with him.

Can an admin please talk to him about his behavior as i believe it negatively influences our community and our retention of new players?

Thanks
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Thilindel » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:19 pm

wtf is 'ym' anyway?

Oh, and I thought RP meant, '*roll* Pril !
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Pril » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:22 pm

Thilindel wrote:wtf is 'ym' anyway?

Oh, and I thought RP meant, '*roll* Pril !


ym would be "your mom" Thil.
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Danila group-says 'afk a sec, 3 horned monkeys trying to steal hose'

Danila group-says 'afk, koala bear trying to mount my car'
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby flib » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:50 am

ym you dirty efhr, i'll bbl after I go ctv (contain these vikings)
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Latreg » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:56 pm

role playing is like acting, you are pretending to be someone you aren't. In true rp, you create a character and give them traits and a personality. In many rp games you can even choose flaws, like deathly afraid of spiders, and thus you would react accordingly. So at any given instances you decide how the character and NOT you would react to the situation. But first you need a good idea and lots of knowledge about the character, consider it making a real person. You also need to know about their race, what the like don't like etc. So if you want to be good at rp you must factor all these things in. I can go more in depth if anyone wants.
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Re: What exactly is RP?

Postby Dalar » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:25 pm

God who started ym anyways. It's so catchy.

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