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sleep spell

Postby Adriorn Darkcloak » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:06 pm

You know, if you're gonna make some mobs wake up on their own after being hit by sleep spell, just delete the spell all together.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Eilistraee » Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:14 pm

Thanks for the advice
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Thilindel » Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:35 am

SLEEP
Spell.

Area of effect: <victim>
Aggressive: Yes
Cumulative: No
Duration: Dependent on proficiency of caster
Class/Circle: Necromancer/Enchanter/Elementalist 4th, Ranger 6th
Type of spell: Enchantment

A successful spellcast will cause the victim to fall magically asleep.
A victim affected by this spell cannot awaken on their own; it takes
another to wake him/her.
Also, the victim will immediately fall
asleep again unless in battle.



Hrm, I think it's broken alright! I get mobs at TP that wake up when they fall to their knees. Others fall asleep and immediately wake right back up to smite you mightily!
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Klandal » Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:49 am

Magical sleep just isn't what it used to be. :P
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Re: sleep spell

Postby alendar » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:51 pm

Hrm, I think it's broken alright! I get mobs at TP that wake up when they fall to their knees. Others fall asleep and immediately wake right back up to smite you mightily!


a certain rogue had a certain elementalist alt that abused that to twink major zones....

i think sleep is now working as intended.... (to stop all twinking)
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Re: sleep spell

Postby fobble » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:24 am

Klandal wrote:Magical sleep just isn't what it used to be. :P


Lunesta?
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Thilindel » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:17 am

alendar wrote:
Hrm, I think it's broken alright! I get mobs at TP that wake up when they fall to their knees. Others fall asleep and immediately wake right back up to smite you mightily!


a certain rogue had a certain elementalist alt that abused that to twink major zones....

i think sleep is now working as intended.... (to stop all twinking)


What is it with the ignorance that people assume think I was referring to a 'certain rogue' being a _specific_ person. It's not my fault that clouds group was the same day I posted that. Regardless, twinking is twinking, and people that say I whine, and try to make the game easier, yet they ABUSE and twink crap themselves. h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e. I can spell it, good for me.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Ragorn » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:35 pm

The sheer volume of posts that are answered by "we can't do this because a certain rogue will twink zones" is astounding to me.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Raiwen » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:24 pm

I think there were certain elementalists that were abusing that bug, too...
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Re: sleep spell

Postby daggaz » Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:22 am

It is silly to have mobs just wake up as they do..

If you want to stop twinking, just give higher level mobs better saves (or make the spell lower level), and/or give it a shorter duration especially level based, or make them immune to it.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Thilindel » Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:49 pm

things don't add up altogether. It is rather odd that a magically sleeping mob that is double-backstabbed isn't really assassinated. Should go without saying. Even a warrior could just head-stomp a mob to death while sleeping as long as it's relatively same size. Necks are vulnerable, groins are unprotected, etc.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Botef » Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:05 pm

Its just silly that a spell like this and tranquility was reduced to being completely useless while spells like PWB remain. Removing imbalances like this never solves the issue, it just leaves a hole and makes other imbalances all the more obvious.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby daggaz » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:06 pm

PWB doesn't last too long on mobs that are 50+, and it can be a total pain in the arse to land. Which is basically what I suggested for sleep, rather than having it land very easily and letting it get dispellled by such simple random things as the victim falling down.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Thilindel » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:00 pm

ray, enervate, fumble, stumble are all low level spells and don't land worth a shit. Since sleep is only lvl 50 and under, I don't know how I feel about it. It doesn't seem to land any better than other spells. _slow_ spells seem to hardly land.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Ragorn » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:18 am

I despise effect spells that hardly ever land. It's such a waste of code, giving people a spell that's so "unbalanced" that you have to tweak the success rate down to 20% just to keep it from being abused.

Should ratchet the success rate of all those spells up to 80% and then max out their durations at 45 seconds. Make them land, make them useful, and prevent twinking.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Gukov » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:24 am

With a curse/hex most of those spells land quite easy and last for a long time. I use stumble all the time over multi weekends to destroy big mobs. Blind the mob w/whoever, curse w/cleric, stumble w/chanter, smite the mob who now has ogre agi.

It's really all about getting a curse to land first.
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Re: sleep spell

Postby Thilindel » Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:40 pm

(and in your case, multi lineup!)
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