Weapon Dice / Melee ideas

[Waelos]

Hey. . .here's a proposition for weapon dice. . .

Basically Im formulating this around the fact that once monks were acceptable (in their damage) at 7d5 and getting 7 attacks per round. This is also dependent on monks being removed because of there being no "Kara-Tur" flavor being acceptable on the Mud any longer and not being removed for damage reasons.

Most good 2h weapons should have a larger 'upside' to their damage, which would reflect it being more difficult to land a telling blow with such a huge weapon, but when they connect they hurt like hell. . I propose 2h dice as follows:

2d16
3d12
4d10

Max of these is a possible 40 points (a bit more than our monk at 35)

Large 1h weapons (swords, maces, axes, etc) should be a bit more diverse. . . but follow a similar pattern. Being 1h they should be hitting a bit more often but never doing too much damage. . . I propose:

6d3
7d3
4d4
5d5

Small 1h weapons should be even more precise (daggers, short swords, etc) but less damaging:

4d3
6d2
7d2


Not sure this really helps too too much, but would give a more 'realistic' variety to weapon classes. Of course, you may want to assign additional dice to weapons with extraordinary qualities (like say a dagger made of magical lava might warrent more damage dice (an additional d4?)

I realize this might damage rogues somewhat, but their hitting is already pretty strong with all the add-ons to thier melee skill. And also, rogues could choose to move to larger piercing weapons (1h spears, tridents, etc) which might open the doorways for areas makers to add in more items that are useful to players.

Also, perhaps there could be new code added that added additional attacks based on weapon wieght. This could add a whole new dimension to the melee portion of the game.

Weight 1 weapons get an 75% chance per round for an additional attack.
2-5 a 50%
6-7 a 25%
8-10 10%
11+ 0%

Or some formula. This is an on-the-fly idea that hasn't had much refinement. . .so you could adjust the weapon dice/additional attack(s?) for better balance than I have here.

So the rogue might choose to wield that spear in the primary hand, and a light, fast dagger in the offhand to gain some more hits. . .or maybe two light, fast weapons for more attacks. . . but sacrificing the big damage blows on backstab and circle (but getting more opportunities to proc/poison/vital strike/etc)

The variety and different effects of weapon sizes and weights can have implications for all melee classes! I won't bore you with more examples ;)

Another Idea:
Warriors should get a skill that allows them to use their shield as an offensive weapon. Much like dual wield, it would give them a %chance for an offhand attack (bap!) with their shield. Now, I think that this would be best implemented as a tog'able skill (like agg) as I think that should they desire to use the shield offensively there should be an AC penalty (but should NOT negate shieldblocking) of around 15-20 (your average shield AC boost).

This post was originally going in the Object changes thread. . but it developed into more of an idea post. Again, unrefined but I think the base concepts have some merit. Would like staff/player feedback and any additional ideas, please contribute!

Thanks!

Lost.

[rylan]

Nice ideas. Some of that would add variety into melee, and be a good improvement for damage.

[Delmair Aamoren]

some nice ideas! the numbers on the dice of course would be up for discussion/review, but the ideas are good ones!

[Gura]

aye gonna agree. the variety u suggest could be a good thing with some minor changes/reviewing perhaps.

[Kifle]

Good ideas way. The only thing I saw that I didn't like was the amount of dice on damage. The reason there are 3d4 and 2d4 is not because of the number of attacks but only because of the obvious of one having more minimal damage than another. so haveing 3d4 is better than 2d6, same max damage, but 3d4 is superior because of the minimal damage. this has nothing to do with the amount of attacks dealt by the weapon. Even though I would still think your system is pretty nice and well thought out. What would be nice though would be to have the daggers be higher amounts of low end dice like 3d4 etc while swords get a higher max damage but same/lower min damage. Same being for 2h swords/bigger weapons. This has nothing to do with logic, but while rogues have no other option than a dagger really, we would be even worse at doing damage imo. granted we will some day have spears, but even those are the same dice as shortswords which are just a tick above daggers, so there wouldn't be much of a change.

[Hyldryn]

Really, I don't see why changing the dice matters. It is the average damage that matters. Especially, considering how often we hit (multiple attacks per round).

[belleshel]

So when are we getting monks back?

[Orku]

Monks will come back in the form of the cowboy!

[ssar]

Some great ideas by the looks there Wey!
The damage dice on weapons are a very important part of slicing, dicing, stabbing and smashing stuff as a melee class in this mud.
Lately with many of the object changes etc. a lot of folk feel a bit disheartened with thier melee and some examination of these suggestions, at least, is worthwhile I think.

[Yayaril]

8)

It'd be nifty if they brought back monks and took the focus off of pure melee damage and gave them some other abilities to make them more rounded.

[Lim]

so this means monks are returning right?


Lim

[mynazzaraxxsyn]

so this means monks are returning right?


Lim

[Frankenstein's Monster Voice]Monks good! Fire baaaad![/Frankenstein's Monster Voice]

[Marforp]

Best idea of the bunch: wt of weapon affects how often you can attack a round.

As someone said (to lazy to scroll back right now) the max/min damage really doesn't matter, but the average damage (and # of attacks) is where it's at.

Marforp (a.k.a. Lalokiple / Sasdor)

[Waelos]

Happy to see this thread back . . .. but not happy to see stuff about monks ;) I really don't think the game can support another 'damage' class, let alone one that is supposed to do it through Melee. We're low on Niches already. .. but if their focus was removed from melee that'd be good..but what good would they be? =)

Lost