Archery Idea discussion on GCC (12 pages)
Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 8:46 pm
For those who weren't there and wanted to know what was said. There are two ideas discussed here. The main one, and majority of the log is about rangers adding enchantments (possibly dires adding poisons) to carved ranger/dire arrows while in appropriate landscapes. Some other ideas were discussed as well. The other idea presented, starts the conversation out about the possibility of quivers that replenish arrows, and how this could handled realistically to not be overbalancing.
3nj0y!
You GCC: 'how many arrows does a ranger normally go through?'
Lorendel GCC: 'point Inama , Amolol'
Inama GCC: 'hey amolol asked, i responded.'
Amolol GCC: 'usually come in qivers of 100 i have a quiver og 200'
Lorendel GCC: 'i carry 5 quivers of 100'
You GCC: 'do you have to get more from like a store? or do you keep extra's in a bag or something?'
Inama GCC: 'if you have good arrows you don't lose them unless Shar is on, then you lose them to crashes.'
Amolol GCC: 'it was actually part of the starting statement shar... the statement was that we need more 2/2 3/3 arrows that are easy to get'
Raspor OOC: 'Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein'
Inama GCC: 'nog, and i said someone told me 2/2s are in bg'
Lorsalian OOC: 'Chaos theory .. the justification for that insanity :p'
Inama GCC: 'never bothered to verify it though.'
You GCC: 'I'm curious to wonder, if there was a such thing as a quiver that magically replenshed itself. how big would it have to be, and how often would it have to replenish in order to be useful?'
Inama GCC: 'it would have to replensh with arrows better than 1/1, 1/1 arrows are cheap and easy to get'
You GCC: 'just normal arrows mind you. nothing with bonuses. let's start with that.'
Amolol GCC: 'well a 200 arrow quiver that replenished itself every 15 minutes would be about right'
You GCC: 'every 15 rl minutes? talk to me in mud terms'
Amolol GCC: 'oh 2 per day'
Inama GCC: 'hrm, do you really lose that many arrows amolol. i'm not familiar with the break rate of mundane arrows but the good ones don't seem to.'
You GCC: 'well let's say, we are talking 0/0 crappy arrows. '
Amolol GCC: 'on mundane arrows pretty much as soon as you take them out of the quiver they are busted'
Amolol GCC: 'thats from using the steel tipped arrows that are 0/0'
Lorendel GCC: 'no one would uyse normal arrows even if the quiver was infinaite filled '
Amolol GCC: 'right'
Amolol GCC: 'at least not for anything other than xp'
Amolol GCC: 'that are absolutly of no use in a zone'
Inama GCC: 'isn't it also skill or level dependant how many break?'
Amolol GCC: 'nope'
Amolol GCC: 'purely the arrow'
Inama GCC: 'thought i heard someone say that once'
Amolol GCC: 'not in my experience at least'
You GCC: 'why are 0/0 arrows useless in zones?'
Lorendel GCC: 'if you miss your arrows has a higher chance to break i beleive'
Amolol GCC: 'i could go fill my quiver with steel arrows and go start soloing ferns... after like 2 ferns i would hafto go buy new ones'
Amolol GCC: 'they dont cut through shield'
Inama GCC: '*shudder*'
Amolol GCC: 'they bust on it'
You GCC: 'ahh,, so you need atleast +1 hit to break missile shield?'
Amolol GCC: 'yes lorendel but the 0/0 arrows all seem to break on the mob'
Lorendel GCC: 'yeah DS shreds arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
Lorendel GCC: 'dont really know never really used them'
You GCC: 'ok. now how could an unlimited quiver supply be abuseable?'
Inama GCC: 'probably couldn't if you flagged them no sell.'
Inama GCC: 'guess you could use it to give free arrows to other rangers'
You GCC: 'what about in terms of combat situations'
You GCC: 'could a ranger theoretically shoot a mob to death from a room away doing this?'
Inama GCC: 'i don't think its a real issue if you have rangers already running around wiht 500 arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'first of all something like that would hafto be longer than any other quest on the mud imho'
Inama GCC: 'no'
Daksnar GCC: 'takes forever & many arrows, but yeah, done it b4'
You GCC: 'how effective is shooting int other rooms?'
Lorendel GCC: 'i have done that yes'
Rokar tells you 'oh heheh think zarel's is only like 17'
Inama GCC: 'shooting from a room away is pretty lousy though'
Amolol GCC: 'once you shoot a mob from outside a room the mob gets the aware flag'
Inama GCC: 'would take forever to kill anything substantial'
Daksnar GCC: 'ya, you get 1 good round'
Amolol GCC: 'mebbe 1 in 25 arrow will hit at that point'
You GCC: 'so aware does what? makes them dodge your arrows from there on out?'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers pretty much can only solo !track !di mobs when they are using a bow'
Amolol GCC: 'pretty much'
Amolol GCC: 'or they snare them'
You GCC: 'ahhh'
You GCC: 'so other then trying to sell them (which would be pointless if the arrows it made were worthless), and giving them to friends (which could exaust your supply if you gave too many away - like in the middle of a zone) are the only ways it would be twinkable??'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Amolol GCC: 'im sure someone would realize that 200 arrows that replenish every 15 minutes (2 per mud day) could be very usefull in attacking huge ass mobs'
Amolol GCC: 'peronally i would find the first !tracking !di mob i could and start pumpin it full of arrows'
You GCC: '200 arrows every 15 mins is for a heavy amount of use?'
Amolol GCC: 'or even just !track'
Amolol GCC: 'yea really heavy'
Amolol GCC: 'and if you didnt collect after each fight'
You GCC: 'so how would 200 1/day be?'
You GCC: 'or maybe 100 1/day'
Amolol GCC: 'doesnt have the same potential'
Amolol GCC: 'and with crap 0/0 arrows doesnt replenish ennough'
Amolol GCC: 'i can absolutly kill 400 arrows in 1 mud day'
You GCC: 'ok, let's say they are 1/1 now, 100 1/day would be.. helpful.. but not enough?'
Amolol GCC: 'epending on what im doing that is'
Daksnar GCC: 'how about a single +10/+10 /day, heh'
Amolol GCC: '100 you shoot through in 1 fight'
You GCC: 'not amolol, here's the thing to consider tho'
You GCC: 'you could theoretically run around with multiple quivers'
Daksnar GCC: 'twinkability ...?'
You GCC: 'that did this.. so... '
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'I think the item would have to recharge only when worn tho'
Inama GCC: 'oh like pimakoto and his 4 proc swords?'
Amolol GCC: 'i dont belive in stockpiling eq like that'
Daksnar GCC: 'gotta consider that factor, always, when creating items...'
You GCC: 'so 300 1/1 1/day would be.. kinda nice then?'
You GCC: 'if they only recharged when wearing I mean'
You GCC: 'I'm ofcourse guessing that rangers don't range weapon the whole time in zones nor every fight, or do they?'
Amolol GCC: '300 1/1 would not only be the best quiver in the game but you just literally eliminated the possability of running your quiver out'
Amolol GCC: 'humm'
You GCC: 'here's the thing amolol, wut if the arrows weren't collectable?'
You GCC: 'one you shot them, they were gone until they replenish'
Amolol GCC: 'howabout a 200 quiver of 1/1 that would give 1 arrow every 1 mud hour'
You GCC: 'once I mean'
Amolol GCC: 'as long as it was worn'
Daksnar GCC: 'transient will cut em down a lil bit, but could make em poof on fire'
You GCC: 'nod daksnar'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'here's another question'
You GCC: 'on arrows again'
Raspor GCC: 'why don't you all just use hand carven arrows? they aren't that bad really'
Lorendel GCC: 'have a fire and frost version'
Amolol GCC: 'btw just flagging an arrow transient wouldnt do it'
You GCC: 'are there any arrows that have spell effects on them currently? like when you shoot the mob it hits with a spell?'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Daksnar GCC: 'don't think so, dunno if that coded'
Amolol GCC: 'the closest thing to that is the imix warbow'
You GCC: 'which does what?'
Daksnar GCC: 'bow proc tho, not arrok proc'
Daksnar GCC: 'arrow, hehe'
Amolol GCC: 'which enshrouds the arrows in flame'
Lorendel GCC: 'hellish warbow has some kind of fire proc'
You GCC: 'nod'
Amolol GCC: 'thats as close as we get'
You GCC: 'so right now, rangers cannot do any kind of apply poison to their arrows either, right?'
Daksnar GCC: 'nope...'
Daksnar GCC: 'that'd prolly be eaier to code than spell-proc arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'tho im not sure it does fire damage when it doesnt proc even tho it shows every arrow as enshrouded in flames weather ot proc's or not'
Lorendel GCC: 'can rogues use crossbows'
You GCC: 'poison isn't exactly rangerly, was just curious on the fact is all.'
Inama GCC: 'it doesn't really fit rangers'
Amolol GCC: 'actualy being intune with nature poison is exactly our style'
Lorendel GCC: 'is very goodly tho'
Amolol GCC: 'can we say poison dart frogs?'
Lorendel GCC: 'is not very goodly tho'
You GCC: 'I was thinking more along the lines of.. how interesting arrows that carried a minor dispel magic effect with them would be?'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers "should" be nutral ... like druids'
Amolol GCC: 'well missile shaield would be a problem if ranger dispel magic actually worked'
Amolol GCC: 'wouldnt'
You GCC: 'what usefull offensive related spells do rangers use now?'
Amolol GCC: 'this is where most ppl mention that eles get thunder lance and enchanters get there spell and so on'
Amolol GCC: 'i usde call lightning in SS'
Daksnar GCC: 'that's sooo fun!'
Amolol GCC: 'in refrence to the shield thing... i almost never see any one go out of there way to bust down missile shield'
Amolol GCC: 'very few ppl do that'
Inama GCC: 'cause we hate rangers and could care less if you could shoot or not.'
Amolol GCC: 'exactly'
Rolaz GCC: 'inama 1 rangers 0'
Amolol GCC: 'which is while missile shield either needs to be fixed or removed'
Rolaz GCC: 'no..melee just needs to be fixed so u have an alternate method of being somewhat useful'
Amolol GCC: 'melee works better than archery at this point'
Rolaz GCC: 'archery is good for pleveling'
Amolol GCC: 'and beyond that mostly useless'
Daksnar GCC: 'i like the idea for apply-poison (for dires), & enchant-arrow (for rangers)'
Amolol GCC: 'luring is still a rogues job'
Amolol GCC: 'for the most part'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers could use a 10th circle quested spell that lets them shoot through missile shield when the spell is active'
Amolol GCC: 'give it a shorter duration than missile shield tho'
Rolaz GCC: 'could just remove archery then buff up rangers by giving them third attack'
Rolaz GCC: 'at like 40 or so'
Daksnar GCC: 'good idea for a subject... 3rd attack ? ;}'
Raspor GCC: 'remove archery? heh'
Wobu GCC: 'why aren't there any quests for Warriors?'
Amolol GCC: 'not gonna get ppl to remove archery'
Daksnar GCC: 'i like the idea for apply-poison (for dires), & enchant-arrow (for rangers)' I couldn't agree more
You GCC: 'Daksnar GCC: 'i like the idea for apply-poison (for dires), & enchant-arrow (for rangers)' I couldn't agree more'
Amolol GCC: 'there are'
You GCC: 'hey back on target, you wanna rant about the class, goto you bazillionth bbs thread about it :P'
Daksnar GCC: 'would give them more 'flavor' at least ;}'
Lorendel GCC: 'bless arrow for 1/1'
You GCC: 'can rangers make arrows right now?'
Lorendel GCC: 'or 0/1'
Rolaz GCC: 'carve yea'
Lorendel GCC: 'yes carven'
You GCC: 'and carved are what? 0/0?'
Rolaz GCC: 'yep'
Lorendel GCC: 'do innate woodcarving skills notch'
You GCC: 'and bless does what effectively, ranger bless?'
Lorendel GCC: 'the effect of bless on objects is not entirely known'
Daksnar GCC: 'or entirely coded yet ...?'
You GCC: 'well I mean on players'
You GCC: 'wut's it do?'
Amolol GCC: '2hit'
Amolol GCC: 'it gives 2 hit to a player'
Daksnar GCC: 'something like +2hit, -2sv_spell'
You GCC: 'It sounds in-theme for a ranger to be able to carve arrows from the would of his protected land and enchant them with minor effects. Sounds appropriate to me.'
Daksnar GCC: 'i think *shrug*'
You GCC: 'wood not would'
You GCC: 'ugh, fingers doing crazy things again'
Lorendel GCC: 'would have to bless each arrow individually'
You GCC: 'yep, but as far as I can tell, rangers don't mass produce carved arrows do they? it's one at a time, right?'
Amolol GCC: 'not a problem'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers have ALOT of spare time'
Lorendel GCC: 'hehe'
You GCC: 'am I correct or wrong about carve btw? one at a time?'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye, 1 ata time'
Lorendel GCC: 'yes one at a time'
You GCC: 'well then only enchanting one at a time.. sounds like you carve then enchant. anyone see a problem with that?'
Daksnar GCC: 'mebey put more skill-lag on & do 5 at a time ? justa thought...'
You GCC: 'now what kind of duration would the enchantment need?'
Lorendel GCC: 'too bad you cant eventually become a master fletcher and increase your woodcarving ability to make better carven arrows '
You GCC: 'we obviously wouldn't want people stocking up with 10,000 blessed arrows forever'
Inama GCC: 'still not a bad idea to let people with spells and time make better arrows, better than 0/0 at least. 2/2 or maybe even 3/3'
You GCC: 'lorendel that's a great idea. if you could increase the durability of normal arrows, that would be nice. But I still feel any carved arrow, now matter how great, once it's enchanted and fired, it destroys on impact.'
You GCC: 'just like a caster, once they cast it, the spell is gone and have to remem/remake it'
Lorendel GCC: 'actually enchanted or blessed arrow should have less a chance of breaking'
Daksnar GCC: 'lose it, bah'
Amolol GCC: 'heh we need classes that are there for game flavor... like fletcher, tinker, black smith'
Inama GCC: 'arrows need word of recall!'
Amolol GCC: 'i would play them'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye, enchanted arrows lose thier enchantment once fired (AD&D rules anyway)'
You GCC: 'I can agree on that Lorendel. Just that the enchantment should be lost upon firing.'
Daksnar GCC: 'is what i ment'
Raspor OOC: 'anyone play simcity4 here?'
Raspor OOC: 'thinking about picking up the game'
You GCC: 'aye daksnar'
You GCC: 'sounds balanced'
Inama GCC: 'rangers, the class for people with too much time on their hands.'
Asasas OOC: 'I still won't kiss you. Even in simcity4. Geez.'
Inama GCC: 'not sure i'd like to have to prepare for each zone by mass enchanting arrows'
Rolaz GCC: 'the ultimate idlebot class if u let them enchant their own arrows'
Raspor OOC: 'huh'
Asasas OOC: 'my sister plays simcity. she uses it as a platform to kiss boys she likes.'
You GCC: 'the ranger enchants their own arrows. it's not something another class would do, that was my thinking.'
Raspor OOC: 'is it the sims? I'm under the impression this is a city building game'
You GCC: 'be even more appropriate if the ranger had to be in a forest room'
Asasas OOC: 'oops. yeah, sims'
Raspor OOC: '*swat*'
Lorendel GCC: 'in order to carve arrow you have to be'
Asasas OOC: 'I still won't kiss you :P'
You GCC: 'standing at the fnt or 3w carving arrows of wood from your protected lands and enchanting them.. doesn't really sound too appropriate'
You GCC: 'ahh well that's terrific then :D'
Raspor OOC: 'ok I give up, who are you!'
Lorendel GCC: 'all innate woodcarving abils have to be done in nature room'
You GCC: 'does that garden in wd work?'
Raspor OOC: 'ah Muma!'
Amolol GCC: 'not exactly'
Rolaz GCC: 'i wouldnt think a garden is actually nature'
You GCC: 'i'm hoping 'no''
Amolol GCC: 'i can carve wood at the ftn'
Kikuji GCC: 'i wouldn't call a fountain nature either :P'
Amolol GCC: 'any room flaged nature will word'
Amolol GCC: 'work'
Amolol GCC: 'i can carve anything in my carving list at the fountain'
You GCC: 'hrmm.. suppose it would need to be dependent on the terrain type flag of the room then (same flag that dictates how much move it costs) in conjunction with the nature flag?'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye..'
Daksnar GCC: 'light & heavy forest only, methinks'
Raspor GCC: 'clearly the fountain should be banned'
You GCC: 'that would eliminate any place within a city, since all those terrains are flagged city'
You GCC: 'ok next question'
You GCC: 'how powerful of a spell from the ranger selection should be allowed to be added to one of these arrows?'
You GCC: 'what's the spell circle cap?'
You GCC: 'in other words'
Amolol GCC: 'ROFL powerfull ranger spell LOL'
Amolol GCC: 'heh'
Amolol GCC: 'i would say 9th or 10th'
You GCC: 'woops, guess I missread. Thought you had major para, just saw it was minor. '
You GCC: 'I guess each spell would have to be looked into'
You GCC: 'be neat to see rangers shooting multiple arrows, each with different affects. How many arrows do you shoot per round?'
Amolol GCC: '3'
Daksnar GCC: '1-3'
Amolol GCC: 'with a high skill 3'
Amolol GCC: 'low skill 1'
You GCC: 'ok, now let's pretend you actually had this ability'
You GCC: 'what spells that you have, would you probably use most likely on arrows?'
Amolol GCC: 'humm'
You GCC: 'realistically'
Amolol GCC: 'faerie fire on first volley'
Amolol GCC: 'cvhange their AC'
Daksnar GCC: 'bless, sleep, dispel ma, minor par... few others ?'
Amolol GCC: 'definatle sleep and minor para'
Amolol GCC: 'mebbe dispell'
Amolol GCC: 'i dunno about bless'
You GCC: 'what about Shillelagh?'
Amolol GCC: 'why?'
You GCC: 'how much damage does that spell do? if an arrow had this, it would be added damage?'
You GCC: 'almost like a double strenght arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'it would be added damage but not enough to make a difference'
Amolol GCC: 'sticks to snakes would be better for that but still not good'
You GCC: 'how much damage to most arrows do?'
Amolol GCC: 'dust deveil mebbe'
Kikuji GCC: 'hey now, in ds sticks are like minute meteors :P'
Amolol GCC: 'i could only guess'
Amolol GCC: 'with a full volley of 1/1 on pava i did like 120 damage'
Lorendel GCC: 'cast str on arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'talking about giving the spell affect to another mob'
Amolol GCC: 'i wouldnt give them bless or str'
You GCC: 'does haste increase archery?'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Amolol GCC: 'it can but some higher discision has said no'
Amolol GCC: 'talked to koss bout it'
Amolol GCC: 'he cant see any reason why it wouldnt and would put it in if the others would allow it'
Amolol GCC: 'is what he said'
Amolol GCC: 'just in alot more words'
Amolol GCC: 'idd put dust devil on an arrow'
You GCC: 'why's that?'
Amolol GCC: 'try to make them drop their weapon'
Amolol GCC: 'might hafto controll weather first tho'
You GCC: 'what kind of damage does call lightning do?'
Amolol GCC: 'depends on the area'
Amolol GCC: 'in SS it takes a few rounds of it to kill stuff'
Amolol GCC: 'ive seen it insta kill things tho'
You GCC: 'so how powerful would 3 call lightnings a round be?'
Amolol GCC: 'so just depends on the mob and where you are'
Amolol GCC: '3 a round'
Amolol GCC: 'prolly 3 would = minute meteors'
Amolol GCC: 'or so in a non nature room'
You GCC: 'and in a nature room?'
Amolol GCC: 'in nature were lookin at somthing close todoom'
Lorendel GCC: 'depends on how wet it is too does it not'
Amolol GCC: 'mebe 2 doom rounds or so... at the most'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'oh really?'
Amolol GCC: 'in best conditions possible 2 rounds of doom'
You GCC: 'in one round of ranged tho?'
Amolol GCC: 'thats in a storm in a nature room with maxed out spellcast nature'
Amolol GCC: 'i couldnt see it happening in 1 volley of 3 arrows tho'
You GCC: 'are you saying in one round the ranger could do comparable damage to two rounds of doom?'
You GCC: 'are you saying in one round the ranger could do comparable damage to two rounds of doom?'
Amolol GCC: 'damage on spells would hafto be reduced'
Amolol GCC: 'if the conditions were right and one could cram all 3 call lightnings into 1 single round it would be close'
You GCC: 'ok, now how many zones are out there were they are in nature rooms that would allow for this?'
Amolol GCC: 'like... none'
You GCC: 'so where would this be of use?'
Amolol GCC: 'would hafto change weather first'
Amolol GCC: 'Kikuji tells you 'why would you want an area proccing arrow? :P''
Amolol GCC: 'Kikuji tells you 'why would you want an area proccing arrow? :P''
Amolol GCC: 'to try and be a voker?'
Kikuji GCC: 'shame on j00!'
You GCC: 'call lightning is area?'
Amolol GCC: 'it was a good question tho'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'well we wouldn't want that'
Amolol GCC: 'thats why i say its close to doom'
Amolol GCC: 'i dunno'
Amolol GCC: 'it would be boatloads of fun in SS'
Amolol GCC: 'i dont know that we would want to put damage spells on arrows just effect spells'
Amolol GCC: 'and anybody should be able to do it'
You GCC: 'anybody as in any class or any ranger?'
Amolol GCC: 'like illusionist could cast scarlett flame on an arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'any class'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'major para arrows? fire from the next room?'
Kikuji GCC: 'sweet'
Daksnar GCC: 'that'd be sick :P'
Amolol GCC: 'hey we have major para poisons'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'next room a lot different than same room'
You GCC: 'i disagree. if you're going to do that, then a mage should need to have to cast enchant item on the arrow first before any effects are added to it, and then the arrow would break on impact'
Amolol GCC: 'so you have already said that we should be able to do that'
Daksnar GCC: 'expensive non-spell source'
Amolol GCC: 'i disagree with that llaaldra'
You GCC: 'I never said that. I said only the ranger could enchant his arrows. that means only a ranger and only ranger castable spells'
Kikuji GCC: 'they could just make a special kind of spell-absorbable arrow, which is either expensive, hard to get, or breakable,yes'
Amolol GCC: 'for the higher spells you could either NEED a 4/4 arrow or higher'
Amolol GCC: 'or they could have the spell effect ware off'
Amolol GCC: 'that and the spell effectiveness would be reduced'
You GCC: 'as for what daksnar was talking about earlier, with the dires getting poison, it would have to be limited as well. no major para arrows either'
Amolol GCC: 'so like we couldnt garontee a major para on a single volley'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye, major para a bit too much'
Amolol GCC: 'warriors get major para'
Amolol GCC: 'rogues get major para'
Amolol GCC: 'enchanters get major para'
Amolol GCC: 'anybody with prism gets major para'
Daksnar GCC: 'how warriors get it, again ?'
Amolol GCC: 'gythka'
You GCC: 'that's a freaking weapon proc'
You GCC: 'that's not a class ability'
Daksnar GCC: 'by item, yes...'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'get real'
Kikuji GCC: 'so?'
Amolol GCC: 'but would not the arrow be a weapon proc too'
Amolol GCC: 'the point is that they can do it'
Amolol GCC: 'and actually thats anybody evil that can dual a sword'
You GCC: 'until a warrior can enchant his gythka to proc major para whenever he wants, you got a big difference'
Amolol GCC: 'not really'
Daksnar GCC: 'be nice to prc on command, hehe'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'and the different room major para is a major ++ over proc'
Kikuji GCC: 'like the spell lands all the time anyways. pff'
You GCC: 'BIG difference between on command and random'
Amolol GCC: 'look im saying there would be a low chance of the proc'
Amolol GCC: 'iot wouldnt happen on command'
Abbayarra GCC: 'who is up for some ranger change discussion?'
Amolol GCC: 'like i said like 5 minutes ago it would all hafto be random of taking affect'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'actually sleep arrows would be the overpowered ones. hard to tell if a mob is para or not, but sleep...'
You GCC: 'to be honest, I could see giving the arrows call lightning, but I can't agree with the major para aspect'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'hello rangers solo zoning'
Kikuji GCC: 'and why can't rangers be enchanters' proccing pets? :P'
Amolol GCC: 'i can see them getting major para arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'but'
You GCC: 'just ask for ranger weapon that procs major para, that's all.'
Amolol GCC: 'there would be a low chance of the proc actually landing... lower than normal'
You GCC: 'btw, what are the ranger only weapons out there now?'
Amolol GCC: 'there arent any'
Abbayarra GCC: 'I think some of the ranger spells should change'
You GCC: 'what's the grey elf sword that procs blur then? what about the one that procs like a ton of attacks?'
Amolol GCC: 'windsong is worriorable'
You GCC: 'for who?'
Amolol GCC: 'any grey elf'
Amolol GCC: 'its grey /warrior flagged'
Tabab GCC: 'last time i checked windsong proc puts warrior at -2'
Amolol GCC: 'at -2 what?'
Tabab GCC: 'hp'
Amolol GCC: 'ill hafto look into that because according to the flags that shouldnt happen'
Amolol GCC: 'ok but that concidered 1 ranger only weapon'
Amolol GCC: 'howmany rogue only weapons are out there?'
Amolol GCC: 'that point is moot'
Amolol GCC: 'to move on Hsievssruk made an interesting point'
Amolol GCC: 'major para arrows would be alot less deadly than sleep arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'would make more sense to giv us major para than sleep arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'sleep lands ALOT esier and lasts for hours'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'sleep lasts forever unless you wake the mob'
You GCC: 'yeah, and i suppose you could sleep a mob from a room away. not really good'
Amolol GCC: 'ive seen sleep last as long as 4 RL hours'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'I've seen sleep be effected for 40+'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'effective'
Raspor GCC: 'I once seen sleep last 2 years'
Amolol GCC: 'thats one reason that that the arrows would be a random chance of the proc'
Amolol GCC: 'not garonteed like you are talkin about'
You GCC: 'yeah starting to agree with that'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'yeah but mobs don't try to wake other mobs up'
Amolol GCC: 'was the sleep from a 50 ele on a lvl 1 mob?'
Mazylen ASSOC:: 'exping?'
You ASSOC: 'dodging'
Amolol GCC: 'now you see where im commin from llaaldra?'
You GCC: 'yeah'
Mazylen ASSOC:: 'hey ses how many force missles you get at 40?'
Amolol GCC: 'im all for powerfull rangers but turning a ranger into a psudo elementalist is insane'
You GCC: 'what kind a percentage would the proc be tho?'
Amolol GCC: 'dependant on the spell'
You GCC: 'nod spell and not circle it would have to be'
Amolol GCC: 'for something like faerie fire i would say like 80%'
Amolol GCC: 'for major para i would say more towards 25%'
Amolol GCC: 'if that'
Amolol GCC: 'sleep'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'circle should be fine if the circles are balanced'
Amolol GCC: 'leave it at whatever the chance to sleep something is now'
Amolol GCC: 'that works because if a mob is hit then it awakens'
Amolol GCC: 'so if the first sleep lands there are 2 attacks right behind it'
Amolol GCC: 'effectivly removing the sleep'
Tabab GCC: 'you could twink it by firing a single arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'and shooting outside the room the first volley is the most important'
Amolol GCC: 'not if the single arrow didnt sleep the mob'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'how's tog vicious work with multiple attacks and procs?'
Amolol GCC: 'or if it missed'
Mitia GCC: 'then just continue til mob sleeps'
Mitia GCC: 'so save to twink'
Amolol GCC: 'once again it doesnt work that way'
Mitia GCC: 'err safe'
Amolol GCC: 'once you fire into a room every mob in that room becomes aware'
Amolol GCC: 'that means that your chances of hitting anything are darasticly dropped'
You GCC: 'it would be hard to sleep multiple mobs outside a room, but possible on 1 maybe'
Mitia GCC: 'aware only last a couple of min no?'
Amolol GCC: 'with my skill at arching i hit mebbe 1 out of ever 25-30 arrows on an aware mob'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Amolol GCC: 'aware lasts a while'
Mitia GCC: 'how long?'
Amolol GCC: 'longer than half an hour to my estimate'
You GCC: 'what did you say about vicous on firing arrows?'
You GCC: 'what did you say about vicous on firing arrows?'
Mitia GCC: 'how would u estimate that?'
Amolol GCC: 'its not nearly as twinkable as you guys might think'
Amolol GCC: 'shooting at mobs'
Amolol GCC: 'i shot a fern from out of a room once and walked away'
You GCC: 'on a related note'
Lorendel GCC: 'plus alot of arrows go past the room and aggro other mobs...'
Amolol GCC: 'got back bout 20/25 minutes later and shot again and aware was still active'
You GCC: 'it would be kinda cool if you could shoot airy water into a room, or um.. sunshade'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
Amolol GCC: 'heh'
Amolol GCC: 'som im gonna say that aware is about a half hour mebbe longer'
Amolol GCC: 'after the second volley i diodnt go away and cherck length again'
Amolol GCC: 'but aware lasts a while'
Amolol GCC: 'and this is the reason you guys let rangers in on ranger upgrade discussion'
Amolol GCC: 'cause we know that class better than any other and can say what is twinkable and not'
Amolol GCC: 'muahaha'
You GCC: 'yeah yeah yeah. now go post the idea on the bbs or something'
Amolol GCC: 'wont happen'
Amolol GCC: 'just somthing nice to see'
3nj0y!
You GCC: 'how many arrows does a ranger normally go through?'
Lorendel GCC: 'point Inama , Amolol'
Inama GCC: 'hey amolol asked, i responded.'
Amolol GCC: 'usually come in qivers of 100 i have a quiver og 200'
Lorendel GCC: 'i carry 5 quivers of 100'
You GCC: 'do you have to get more from like a store? or do you keep extra's in a bag or something?'
Inama GCC: 'if you have good arrows you don't lose them unless Shar is on, then you lose them to crashes.'
Amolol GCC: 'it was actually part of the starting statement shar... the statement was that we need more 2/2 3/3 arrows that are easy to get'
Raspor OOC: 'Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein'
Inama GCC: 'nog, and i said someone told me 2/2s are in bg'
Lorsalian OOC: 'Chaos theory .. the justification for that insanity :p'
Inama GCC: 'never bothered to verify it though.'
You GCC: 'I'm curious to wonder, if there was a such thing as a quiver that magically replenshed itself. how big would it have to be, and how often would it have to replenish in order to be useful?'
Inama GCC: 'it would have to replensh with arrows better than 1/1, 1/1 arrows are cheap and easy to get'
You GCC: 'just normal arrows mind you. nothing with bonuses. let's start with that.'
Amolol GCC: 'well a 200 arrow quiver that replenished itself every 15 minutes would be about right'
You GCC: 'every 15 rl minutes? talk to me in mud terms'
Amolol GCC: 'oh 2 per day'
Inama GCC: 'hrm, do you really lose that many arrows amolol. i'm not familiar with the break rate of mundane arrows but the good ones don't seem to.'
You GCC: 'well let's say, we are talking 0/0 crappy arrows. '
Amolol GCC: 'on mundane arrows pretty much as soon as you take them out of the quiver they are busted'
Amolol GCC: 'thats from using the steel tipped arrows that are 0/0'
Lorendel GCC: 'no one would uyse normal arrows even if the quiver was infinaite filled '
Amolol GCC: 'right'
Amolol GCC: 'at least not for anything other than xp'
Amolol GCC: 'that are absolutly of no use in a zone'
Inama GCC: 'isn't it also skill or level dependant how many break?'
Amolol GCC: 'nope'
Amolol GCC: 'purely the arrow'
Inama GCC: 'thought i heard someone say that once'
Amolol GCC: 'not in my experience at least'
You GCC: 'why are 0/0 arrows useless in zones?'
Lorendel GCC: 'if you miss your arrows has a higher chance to break i beleive'
Amolol GCC: 'i could go fill my quiver with steel arrows and go start soloing ferns... after like 2 ferns i would hafto go buy new ones'
Amolol GCC: 'they dont cut through shield'
Inama GCC: '*shudder*'
Amolol GCC: 'they bust on it'
You GCC: 'ahh,, so you need atleast +1 hit to break missile shield?'
Amolol GCC: 'yes lorendel but the 0/0 arrows all seem to break on the mob'
Lorendel GCC: 'yeah DS shreds arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
Lorendel GCC: 'dont really know never really used them'
You GCC: 'ok. now how could an unlimited quiver supply be abuseable?'
Inama GCC: 'probably couldn't if you flagged them no sell.'
Inama GCC: 'guess you could use it to give free arrows to other rangers'
You GCC: 'what about in terms of combat situations'
You GCC: 'could a ranger theoretically shoot a mob to death from a room away doing this?'
Inama GCC: 'i don't think its a real issue if you have rangers already running around wiht 500 arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'first of all something like that would hafto be longer than any other quest on the mud imho'
Inama GCC: 'no'
Daksnar GCC: 'takes forever & many arrows, but yeah, done it b4'
You GCC: 'how effective is shooting int other rooms?'
Lorendel GCC: 'i have done that yes'
Rokar tells you 'oh heheh think zarel's is only like 17'
Inama GCC: 'shooting from a room away is pretty lousy though'
Amolol GCC: 'once you shoot a mob from outside a room the mob gets the aware flag'
Inama GCC: 'would take forever to kill anything substantial'
Daksnar GCC: 'ya, you get 1 good round'
Amolol GCC: 'mebbe 1 in 25 arrow will hit at that point'
You GCC: 'so aware does what? makes them dodge your arrows from there on out?'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers pretty much can only solo !track !di mobs when they are using a bow'
Amolol GCC: 'pretty much'
Amolol GCC: 'or they snare them'
You GCC: 'ahhh'
You GCC: 'so other then trying to sell them (which would be pointless if the arrows it made were worthless), and giving them to friends (which could exaust your supply if you gave too many away - like in the middle of a zone) are the only ways it would be twinkable??'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Amolol GCC: 'im sure someone would realize that 200 arrows that replenish every 15 minutes (2 per mud day) could be very usefull in attacking huge ass mobs'
Amolol GCC: 'peronally i would find the first !tracking !di mob i could and start pumpin it full of arrows'
You GCC: '200 arrows every 15 mins is for a heavy amount of use?'
Amolol GCC: 'or even just !track'
Amolol GCC: 'yea really heavy'
Amolol GCC: 'and if you didnt collect after each fight'
You GCC: 'so how would 200 1/day be?'
You GCC: 'or maybe 100 1/day'
Amolol GCC: 'doesnt have the same potential'
Amolol GCC: 'and with crap 0/0 arrows doesnt replenish ennough'
Amolol GCC: 'i can absolutly kill 400 arrows in 1 mud day'
You GCC: 'ok, let's say they are 1/1 now, 100 1/day would be.. helpful.. but not enough?'
Amolol GCC: 'epending on what im doing that is'
Daksnar GCC: 'how about a single +10/+10 /day, heh'
Amolol GCC: '100 you shoot through in 1 fight'
You GCC: 'not amolol, here's the thing to consider tho'
You GCC: 'you could theoretically run around with multiple quivers'
Daksnar GCC: 'twinkability ...?'
You GCC: 'that did this.. so... '
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'I think the item would have to recharge only when worn tho'
Inama GCC: 'oh like pimakoto and his 4 proc swords?'
Amolol GCC: 'i dont belive in stockpiling eq like that'
Daksnar GCC: 'gotta consider that factor, always, when creating items...'
You GCC: 'so 300 1/1 1/day would be.. kinda nice then?'
You GCC: 'if they only recharged when wearing I mean'
You GCC: 'I'm ofcourse guessing that rangers don't range weapon the whole time in zones nor every fight, or do they?'
Amolol GCC: '300 1/1 would not only be the best quiver in the game but you just literally eliminated the possability of running your quiver out'
Amolol GCC: 'humm'
You GCC: 'here's the thing amolol, wut if the arrows weren't collectable?'
You GCC: 'one you shot them, they were gone until they replenish'
Amolol GCC: 'howabout a 200 quiver of 1/1 that would give 1 arrow every 1 mud hour'
You GCC: 'once I mean'
Amolol GCC: 'as long as it was worn'
Daksnar GCC: 'transient will cut em down a lil bit, but could make em poof on fire'
You GCC: 'nod daksnar'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'here's another question'
You GCC: 'on arrows again'
Raspor GCC: 'why don't you all just use hand carven arrows? they aren't that bad really'
Lorendel GCC: 'have a fire and frost version'
Amolol GCC: 'btw just flagging an arrow transient wouldnt do it'
You GCC: 'are there any arrows that have spell effects on them currently? like when you shoot the mob it hits with a spell?'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Daksnar GCC: 'don't think so, dunno if that coded'
Amolol GCC: 'the closest thing to that is the imix warbow'
You GCC: 'which does what?'
Daksnar GCC: 'bow proc tho, not arrok proc'
Daksnar GCC: 'arrow, hehe'
Amolol GCC: 'which enshrouds the arrows in flame'
Lorendel GCC: 'hellish warbow has some kind of fire proc'
You GCC: 'nod'
Amolol GCC: 'thats as close as we get'
You GCC: 'so right now, rangers cannot do any kind of apply poison to their arrows either, right?'
Daksnar GCC: 'nope...'
Daksnar GCC: 'that'd prolly be eaier to code than spell-proc arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'tho im not sure it does fire damage when it doesnt proc even tho it shows every arrow as enshrouded in flames weather ot proc's or not'
Lorendel GCC: 'can rogues use crossbows'
You GCC: 'poison isn't exactly rangerly, was just curious on the fact is all.'
Inama GCC: 'it doesn't really fit rangers'
Amolol GCC: 'actualy being intune with nature poison is exactly our style'
Lorendel GCC: 'is very goodly tho'
Amolol GCC: 'can we say poison dart frogs?'
Lorendel GCC: 'is not very goodly tho'
You GCC: 'I was thinking more along the lines of.. how interesting arrows that carried a minor dispel magic effect with them would be?'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers "should" be nutral ... like druids'
Amolol GCC: 'well missile shaield would be a problem if ranger dispel magic actually worked'
Amolol GCC: 'wouldnt'
You GCC: 'what usefull offensive related spells do rangers use now?'
Amolol GCC: 'this is where most ppl mention that eles get thunder lance and enchanters get there spell and so on'
Amolol GCC: 'i usde call lightning in SS'
Daksnar GCC: 'that's sooo fun!'
Amolol GCC: 'in refrence to the shield thing... i almost never see any one go out of there way to bust down missile shield'
Amolol GCC: 'very few ppl do that'
Inama GCC: 'cause we hate rangers and could care less if you could shoot or not.'
Amolol GCC: 'exactly'
Rolaz GCC: 'inama 1 rangers 0'
Amolol GCC: 'which is while missile shield either needs to be fixed or removed'
Rolaz GCC: 'no..melee just needs to be fixed so u have an alternate method of being somewhat useful'
Amolol GCC: 'melee works better than archery at this point'
Rolaz GCC: 'archery is good for pleveling'
Amolol GCC: 'and beyond that mostly useless'
Daksnar GCC: 'i like the idea for apply-poison (for dires), & enchant-arrow (for rangers)'
Amolol GCC: 'luring is still a rogues job'
Amolol GCC: 'for the most part'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers could use a 10th circle quested spell that lets them shoot through missile shield when the spell is active'
Amolol GCC: 'give it a shorter duration than missile shield tho'
Rolaz GCC: 'could just remove archery then buff up rangers by giving them third attack'
Rolaz GCC: 'at like 40 or so'
Daksnar GCC: 'good idea for a subject... 3rd attack ? ;}'
Raspor GCC: 'remove archery? heh'
Wobu GCC: 'why aren't there any quests for Warriors?'
Amolol GCC: 'not gonna get ppl to remove archery'
Daksnar GCC: 'i like the idea for apply-poison (for dires), & enchant-arrow (for rangers)' I couldn't agree more
You GCC: 'Daksnar GCC: 'i like the idea for apply-poison (for dires), & enchant-arrow (for rangers)' I couldn't agree more'
Amolol GCC: 'there are'
You GCC: 'hey back on target, you wanna rant about the class, goto you bazillionth bbs thread about it :P'
Daksnar GCC: 'would give them more 'flavor' at least ;}'
Lorendel GCC: 'bless arrow for 1/1'
You GCC: 'can rangers make arrows right now?'
Lorendel GCC: 'or 0/1'
Rolaz GCC: 'carve yea'
Lorendel GCC: 'yes carven'
You GCC: 'and carved are what? 0/0?'
Rolaz GCC: 'yep'
Lorendel GCC: 'do innate woodcarving skills notch'
You GCC: 'and bless does what effectively, ranger bless?'
Lorendel GCC: 'the effect of bless on objects is not entirely known'
Daksnar GCC: 'or entirely coded yet ...?'
You GCC: 'well I mean on players'
You GCC: 'wut's it do?'
Amolol GCC: '2hit'
Amolol GCC: 'it gives 2 hit to a player'
Daksnar GCC: 'something like +2hit, -2sv_spell'
You GCC: 'It sounds in-theme for a ranger to be able to carve arrows from the would of his protected land and enchant them with minor effects. Sounds appropriate to me.'
Daksnar GCC: 'i think *shrug*'
You GCC: 'wood not would'
You GCC: 'ugh, fingers doing crazy things again'
Lorendel GCC: 'would have to bless each arrow individually'
You GCC: 'yep, but as far as I can tell, rangers don't mass produce carved arrows do they? it's one at a time, right?'
Amolol GCC: 'not a problem'
Amolol GCC: 'rangers have ALOT of spare time'
Lorendel GCC: 'hehe'
You GCC: 'am I correct or wrong about carve btw? one at a time?'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye, 1 ata time'
Lorendel GCC: 'yes one at a time'
You GCC: 'well then only enchanting one at a time.. sounds like you carve then enchant. anyone see a problem with that?'
Daksnar GCC: 'mebey put more skill-lag on & do 5 at a time ? justa thought...'
You GCC: 'now what kind of duration would the enchantment need?'
Lorendel GCC: 'too bad you cant eventually become a master fletcher and increase your woodcarving ability to make better carven arrows '
You GCC: 'we obviously wouldn't want people stocking up with 10,000 blessed arrows forever'
Inama GCC: 'still not a bad idea to let people with spells and time make better arrows, better than 0/0 at least. 2/2 or maybe even 3/3'
You GCC: 'lorendel that's a great idea. if you could increase the durability of normal arrows, that would be nice. But I still feel any carved arrow, now matter how great, once it's enchanted and fired, it destroys on impact.'
You GCC: 'just like a caster, once they cast it, the spell is gone and have to remem/remake it'
Lorendel GCC: 'actually enchanted or blessed arrow should have less a chance of breaking'
Daksnar GCC: 'lose it, bah'
Amolol GCC: 'heh we need classes that are there for game flavor... like fletcher, tinker, black smith'
Inama GCC: 'arrows need word of recall!'
Amolol GCC: 'i would play them'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye, enchanted arrows lose thier enchantment once fired (AD&D rules anyway)'
You GCC: 'I can agree on that Lorendel. Just that the enchantment should be lost upon firing.'
Daksnar GCC: 'is what i ment'
Raspor OOC: 'anyone play simcity4 here?'
Raspor OOC: 'thinking about picking up the game'
You GCC: 'aye daksnar'
You GCC: 'sounds balanced'
Inama GCC: 'rangers, the class for people with too much time on their hands.'
Asasas OOC: 'I still won't kiss you. Even in simcity4. Geez.'
Inama GCC: 'not sure i'd like to have to prepare for each zone by mass enchanting arrows'
Rolaz GCC: 'the ultimate idlebot class if u let them enchant their own arrows'
Raspor OOC: 'huh'
Asasas OOC: 'my sister plays simcity. she uses it as a platform to kiss boys she likes.'
You GCC: 'the ranger enchants their own arrows. it's not something another class would do, that was my thinking.'
Raspor OOC: 'is it the sims? I'm under the impression this is a city building game'
You GCC: 'be even more appropriate if the ranger had to be in a forest room'
Asasas OOC: 'oops. yeah, sims'
Raspor OOC: '*swat*'
Lorendel GCC: 'in order to carve arrow you have to be'
Asasas OOC: 'I still won't kiss you :P'
You GCC: 'standing at the fnt or 3w carving arrows of wood from your protected lands and enchanting them.. doesn't really sound too appropriate'
You GCC: 'ahh well that's terrific then :D'
Raspor OOC: 'ok I give up, who are you!'
Lorendel GCC: 'all innate woodcarving abils have to be done in nature room'
You GCC: 'does that garden in wd work?'
Raspor OOC: 'ah Muma!'
Amolol GCC: 'not exactly'
Rolaz GCC: 'i wouldnt think a garden is actually nature'
You GCC: 'i'm hoping 'no''
Amolol GCC: 'i can carve wood at the ftn'
Kikuji GCC: 'i wouldn't call a fountain nature either :P'
Amolol GCC: 'any room flaged nature will word'
Amolol GCC: 'work'
Amolol GCC: 'i can carve anything in my carving list at the fountain'
You GCC: 'hrmm.. suppose it would need to be dependent on the terrain type flag of the room then (same flag that dictates how much move it costs) in conjunction with the nature flag?'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye..'
Daksnar GCC: 'light & heavy forest only, methinks'
Raspor GCC: 'clearly the fountain should be banned'
You GCC: 'that would eliminate any place within a city, since all those terrains are flagged city'
You GCC: 'ok next question'
You GCC: 'how powerful of a spell from the ranger selection should be allowed to be added to one of these arrows?'
You GCC: 'what's the spell circle cap?'
You GCC: 'in other words'
Amolol GCC: 'ROFL powerfull ranger spell LOL'
Amolol GCC: 'heh'
Amolol GCC: 'i would say 9th or 10th'
You GCC: 'woops, guess I missread. Thought you had major para, just saw it was minor. '
You GCC: 'I guess each spell would have to be looked into'
You GCC: 'be neat to see rangers shooting multiple arrows, each with different affects. How many arrows do you shoot per round?'
Amolol GCC: '3'
Daksnar GCC: '1-3'
Amolol GCC: 'with a high skill 3'
Amolol GCC: 'low skill 1'
You GCC: 'ok, now let's pretend you actually had this ability'
You GCC: 'what spells that you have, would you probably use most likely on arrows?'
Amolol GCC: 'humm'
You GCC: 'realistically'
Amolol GCC: 'faerie fire on first volley'
Amolol GCC: 'cvhange their AC'
Daksnar GCC: 'bless, sleep, dispel ma, minor par... few others ?'
Amolol GCC: 'definatle sleep and minor para'
Amolol GCC: 'mebbe dispell'
Amolol GCC: 'i dunno about bless'
You GCC: 'what about Shillelagh?'
Amolol GCC: 'why?'
You GCC: 'how much damage does that spell do? if an arrow had this, it would be added damage?'
You GCC: 'almost like a double strenght arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'it would be added damage but not enough to make a difference'
Amolol GCC: 'sticks to snakes would be better for that but still not good'
You GCC: 'how much damage to most arrows do?'
Amolol GCC: 'dust deveil mebbe'
Kikuji GCC: 'hey now, in ds sticks are like minute meteors :P'
Amolol GCC: 'i could only guess'
Amolol GCC: 'with a full volley of 1/1 on pava i did like 120 damage'
Lorendel GCC: 'cast str on arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'talking about giving the spell affect to another mob'
Amolol GCC: 'i wouldnt give them bless or str'
You GCC: 'does haste increase archery?'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Amolol GCC: 'it can but some higher discision has said no'
Amolol GCC: 'talked to koss bout it'
Amolol GCC: 'he cant see any reason why it wouldnt and would put it in if the others would allow it'
Amolol GCC: 'is what he said'
Amolol GCC: 'just in alot more words'
Amolol GCC: 'idd put dust devil on an arrow'
You GCC: 'why's that?'
Amolol GCC: 'try to make them drop their weapon'
Amolol GCC: 'might hafto controll weather first tho'
You GCC: 'what kind of damage does call lightning do?'
Amolol GCC: 'depends on the area'
Amolol GCC: 'in SS it takes a few rounds of it to kill stuff'
Amolol GCC: 'ive seen it insta kill things tho'
You GCC: 'so how powerful would 3 call lightnings a round be?'
Amolol GCC: 'so just depends on the mob and where you are'
Amolol GCC: '3 a round'
Amolol GCC: 'prolly 3 would = minute meteors'
Amolol GCC: 'or so in a non nature room'
You GCC: 'and in a nature room?'
Amolol GCC: 'in nature were lookin at somthing close todoom'
Lorendel GCC: 'depends on how wet it is too does it not'
Amolol GCC: 'mebe 2 doom rounds or so... at the most'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'oh really?'
Amolol GCC: 'in best conditions possible 2 rounds of doom'
You GCC: 'in one round of ranged tho?'
Amolol GCC: 'thats in a storm in a nature room with maxed out spellcast nature'
Amolol GCC: 'i couldnt see it happening in 1 volley of 3 arrows tho'
You GCC: 'are you saying in one round the ranger could do comparable damage to two rounds of doom?'
You GCC: 'are you saying in one round the ranger could do comparable damage to two rounds of doom?'
Amolol GCC: 'damage on spells would hafto be reduced'
Amolol GCC: 'if the conditions were right and one could cram all 3 call lightnings into 1 single round it would be close'
You GCC: 'ok, now how many zones are out there were they are in nature rooms that would allow for this?'
Amolol GCC: 'like... none'
You GCC: 'so where would this be of use?'
Amolol GCC: 'would hafto change weather first'
Amolol GCC: 'Kikuji tells you 'why would you want an area proccing arrow? :P''
Amolol GCC: 'Kikuji tells you 'why would you want an area proccing arrow? :P''
Amolol GCC: 'to try and be a voker?'
Kikuji GCC: 'shame on j00!'
You GCC: 'call lightning is area?'
Amolol GCC: 'it was a good question tho'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'well we wouldn't want that'
Amolol GCC: 'thats why i say its close to doom'
Amolol GCC: 'i dunno'
Amolol GCC: 'it would be boatloads of fun in SS'
Amolol GCC: 'i dont know that we would want to put damage spells on arrows just effect spells'
Amolol GCC: 'and anybody should be able to do it'
You GCC: 'anybody as in any class or any ranger?'
Amolol GCC: 'like illusionist could cast scarlett flame on an arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'any class'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'major para arrows? fire from the next room?'
Kikuji GCC: 'sweet'
Daksnar GCC: 'that'd be sick :P'
Amolol GCC: 'hey we have major para poisons'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'next room a lot different than same room'
You GCC: 'i disagree. if you're going to do that, then a mage should need to have to cast enchant item on the arrow first before any effects are added to it, and then the arrow would break on impact'
Amolol GCC: 'so you have already said that we should be able to do that'
Daksnar GCC: 'expensive non-spell source'
Amolol GCC: 'i disagree with that llaaldra'
You GCC: 'I never said that. I said only the ranger could enchant his arrows. that means only a ranger and only ranger castable spells'
Kikuji GCC: 'they could just make a special kind of spell-absorbable arrow, which is either expensive, hard to get, or breakable,yes'
Amolol GCC: 'for the higher spells you could either NEED a 4/4 arrow or higher'
Amolol GCC: 'or they could have the spell effect ware off'
Amolol GCC: 'that and the spell effectiveness would be reduced'
You GCC: 'as for what daksnar was talking about earlier, with the dires getting poison, it would have to be limited as well. no major para arrows either'
Amolol GCC: 'so like we couldnt garontee a major para on a single volley'
Daksnar GCC: 'aye, major para a bit too much'
Amolol GCC: 'warriors get major para'
Amolol GCC: 'rogues get major para'
Amolol GCC: 'enchanters get major para'
Amolol GCC: 'anybody with prism gets major para'
Daksnar GCC: 'how warriors get it, again ?'
Amolol GCC: 'gythka'
You GCC: 'that's a freaking weapon proc'
You GCC: 'that's not a class ability'
Daksnar GCC: 'by item, yes...'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
You GCC: 'get real'
Kikuji GCC: 'so?'
Amolol GCC: 'but would not the arrow be a weapon proc too'
Amolol GCC: 'the point is that they can do it'
Amolol GCC: 'and actually thats anybody evil that can dual a sword'
You GCC: 'until a warrior can enchant his gythka to proc major para whenever he wants, you got a big difference'
Amolol GCC: 'not really'
Daksnar GCC: 'be nice to prc on command, hehe'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'and the different room major para is a major ++ over proc'
Kikuji GCC: 'like the spell lands all the time anyways. pff'
You GCC: 'BIG difference between on command and random'
Amolol GCC: 'look im saying there would be a low chance of the proc'
Amolol GCC: 'iot wouldnt happen on command'
Abbayarra GCC: 'who is up for some ranger change discussion?'
Amolol GCC: 'like i said like 5 minutes ago it would all hafto be random of taking affect'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'actually sleep arrows would be the overpowered ones. hard to tell if a mob is para or not, but sleep...'
You GCC: 'to be honest, I could see giving the arrows call lightning, but I can't agree with the major para aspect'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'hello rangers solo zoning'
Kikuji GCC: 'and why can't rangers be enchanters' proccing pets? :P'
Amolol GCC: 'i can see them getting major para arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'but'
You GCC: 'just ask for ranger weapon that procs major para, that's all.'
Amolol GCC: 'there would be a low chance of the proc actually landing... lower than normal'
You GCC: 'btw, what are the ranger only weapons out there now?'
Amolol GCC: 'there arent any'
Abbayarra GCC: 'I think some of the ranger spells should change'
You GCC: 'what's the grey elf sword that procs blur then? what about the one that procs like a ton of attacks?'
Amolol GCC: 'windsong is worriorable'
You GCC: 'for who?'
Amolol GCC: 'any grey elf'
Amolol GCC: 'its grey /warrior flagged'
Tabab GCC: 'last time i checked windsong proc puts warrior at -2'
Amolol GCC: 'at -2 what?'
Tabab GCC: 'hp'
Amolol GCC: 'ill hafto look into that because according to the flags that shouldnt happen'
Amolol GCC: 'ok but that concidered 1 ranger only weapon'
Amolol GCC: 'howmany rogue only weapons are out there?'
Amolol GCC: 'that point is moot'
Amolol GCC: 'to move on Hsievssruk made an interesting point'
Amolol GCC: 'major para arrows would be alot less deadly than sleep arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'would make more sense to giv us major para than sleep arrows'
Amolol GCC: 'sleep lands ALOT esier and lasts for hours'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'sleep lasts forever unless you wake the mob'
You GCC: 'yeah, and i suppose you could sleep a mob from a room away. not really good'
Amolol GCC: 'ive seen sleep last as long as 4 RL hours'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'I've seen sleep be effected for 40+'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'effective'
Raspor GCC: 'I once seen sleep last 2 years'
Amolol GCC: 'thats one reason that that the arrows would be a random chance of the proc'
Amolol GCC: 'not garonteed like you are talkin about'
You GCC: 'yeah starting to agree with that'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'yeah but mobs don't try to wake other mobs up'
Amolol GCC: 'was the sleep from a 50 ele on a lvl 1 mob?'
Mazylen ASSOC:: 'exping?'
You ASSOC: 'dodging'
Amolol GCC: 'now you see where im commin from llaaldra?'
You GCC: 'yeah'
Mazylen ASSOC:: 'hey ses how many force missles you get at 40?'
Amolol GCC: 'im all for powerfull rangers but turning a ranger into a psudo elementalist is insane'
You GCC: 'what kind a percentage would the proc be tho?'
Amolol GCC: 'dependant on the spell'
You GCC: 'nod spell and not circle it would have to be'
Amolol GCC: 'for something like faerie fire i would say like 80%'
Amolol GCC: 'for major para i would say more towards 25%'
Amolol GCC: 'if that'
Amolol GCC: 'sleep'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'circle should be fine if the circles are balanced'
Amolol GCC: 'leave it at whatever the chance to sleep something is now'
Amolol GCC: 'that works because if a mob is hit then it awakens'
Amolol GCC: 'so if the first sleep lands there are 2 attacks right behind it'
Amolol GCC: 'effectivly removing the sleep'
Tabab GCC: 'you could twink it by firing a single arrow'
Amolol GCC: 'and shooting outside the room the first volley is the most important'
Amolol GCC: 'not if the single arrow didnt sleep the mob'
Hsievssruk GCC: 'how's tog vicious work with multiple attacks and procs?'
Amolol GCC: 'or if it missed'
Mitia GCC: 'then just continue til mob sleeps'
Mitia GCC: 'so save to twink'
Amolol GCC: 'once again it doesnt work that way'
Mitia GCC: 'err safe'
Amolol GCC: 'once you fire into a room every mob in that room becomes aware'
Amolol GCC: 'that means that your chances of hitting anything are darasticly dropped'
You GCC: 'it would be hard to sleep multiple mobs outside a room, but possible on 1 maybe'
Mitia GCC: 'aware only last a couple of min no?'
Amolol GCC: 'with my skill at arching i hit mebbe 1 out of ever 25-30 arrows on an aware mob'
Amolol GCC: 'no'
Amolol GCC: 'aware lasts a while'
Mitia GCC: 'how long?'
Amolol GCC: 'longer than half an hour to my estimate'
You GCC: 'what did you say about vicous on firing arrows?'
You GCC: 'what did you say about vicous on firing arrows?'
Mitia GCC: 'how would u estimate that?'
Amolol GCC: 'its not nearly as twinkable as you guys might think'
Amolol GCC: 'shooting at mobs'
Amolol GCC: 'i shot a fern from out of a room once and walked away'
You GCC: 'on a related note'
Lorendel GCC: 'plus alot of arrows go past the room and aggro other mobs...'
Amolol GCC: 'got back bout 20/25 minutes later and shot again and aware was still active'
You GCC: 'it would be kinda cool if you could shoot airy water into a room, or um.. sunshade'
Amolol GCC: 'yea'
Amolol GCC: 'heh'
Amolol GCC: 'som im gonna say that aware is about a half hour mebbe longer'
Amolol GCC: 'after the second volley i diodnt go away and cherck length again'
Amolol GCC: 'but aware lasts a while'
Amolol GCC: 'and this is the reason you guys let rangers in on ranger upgrade discussion'
Amolol GCC: 'cause we know that class better than any other and can say what is twinkable and not'
Amolol GCC: 'muahaha'
You GCC: 'yeah yeah yeah. now go post the idea on the bbs or something'
Amolol GCC: 'wont happen'
Amolol GCC: 'just somthing nice to see'