Add a couple of utility spells to ranger.

[kiryan]

Can rangers get cure blind and remove poison?

Remove poison because of theme.

Cure blind because you cant archer when you can't see your quiver. They can already cure blind themselves via dispel magic self, but it doesnt hurt to ask.

[Lorsalian]

Can rangers get cure blind and remove poison?

Remove poison because of theme.

Cure blind because you cant archer when you can't see your quiver. They can already cure blind themselves via dispel magic self, but it doesnt hurt to ask.

The real question is could quivers (like all other items in the dark) be able to be held and removed (and thus be able to see the quiver to fire in the dark), and to regain remove poison. It was removed at about the same time as minor creation, create food were removed, and forage/carve was added. No need to give ability to cure other's blind, nor create a special spell for self-only. I think I do need a reminder of how the removal of remove poison was balanced/justified.

The other consideration would be to perhaps allow blindfighting to figure in in being able to engage an unseen target (with perhaps a lag on fail, but I think the lag would need to be used sparingly).

[kiryan]

well that would be interesting. having blind fighting at a high skill allow you to continue archering with no penalty... I think cure blind or self only cure blind would be a more realistic option.

firing arrows with a higher chance of having them go wayard would not be a good thing so please dont even go down that road.

[Nekelet]

Blindfighting WITH ranged?
Sure why not. Now please excuse me while I step over here. 4 rooms away and past at least one corner.

Self-cure makes more sense IMO. Continuing to fire in the dark, if allowed would be just wasteful & totally unrealistic. Further, if they did choose to implement that, I'd be for allowing the misfires to damage allies just to prove the point. :D

[Lorsalian]

Blindfighting WITH ranged?
Sure why not. Now please excuse me while I step over here. 4 rooms away and past at least one corner.

<-- Maxxed blindfighting at 85

Why not?

[Nekelet]

Blindfighting melee makes perfect sense - you are standing within striking distance. Judging the targets position and determining if something is between you and the target is accomplished both via sound AND touch.

With ranged, your only (well primary) cue for targeting is sound. Sure, you know exactly where the battle noise is, but how do you determine if you should delay a shot until that sneaky halfling finishes circling the target? Is your sense of smell so refined that you can pick up the odor of those fuzzy feet? What about the cleric who bathed this year.
I'm not saying you can't make a reasonable aim judgement based soley on cues other than sight. I AM saying that determining what might be in the flight path seems unlikely. Picking the angle to fire from, and the moment to fire to clear obstacles is a big piece of any ranged combat. Wouldn't you agree?

Just doesn't seem at all realistic to me to be able to do so blind (even in a fantasy setting - lets not get that debate going.) Take it for what it's worth.. :D

[kiryan]

That old ranger came to Drizzt's rescue with blind archery!

[Vigis]

Yeah, but he had an owl(?) to guide his shots. . .

There's an idea, give them blind archery, but only if they have tamed a bird to bring along (I'd love to see the feathers fly on an area though!)

[kiryan]

its a poor idea imo, thats why i suggested cure blind instead =).

course I suppose its a good idea to have some sort of negative to archery.