Roots Anyone?
Roots Anyone?
Um yea...22hp 9str. Who wants to do roots tonight?
Compare with 20hp demi girdle that was..probably still is quite soloable. Yea, the 9str is what makes the roots belt unique, but in order for roots to be done, I'd think a little love for the roots belt is in order.
once again..if I was Dug for a day-
Roots belt=9str 30hp
Some sense life lovin might be a cool alternative to more hp...shrug...just give the poor boy some luv :(
Compare with 20hp demi girdle that was..probably still is quite soloable. Yea, the 9str is what makes the roots belt unique, but in order for roots to be done, I'd think a little love for the roots belt is in order.
once again..if I was Dug for a day-
Roots belt=9str 30hp
Some sense life lovin might be a cool alternative to more hp...shrug...just give the poor boy some luv :(
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nah it already had +50 move i thought.. so it got no changed, just a big downgrade on the only item people did roots to get, roots will just be another forgton zone.
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Todrael wrote:That was my point. Every other +move item got downgraded heavily. Keeping +50 moves probably costs a buttload of points.
Because having more than 150 moves caused the game to be unbalanced. Or Something.
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regardless of the downgrades, there are now gonna be ALOT of zones that are forgoten about.. just like roots.. cuz now all the pieces you need to get are from like 2-3 zones. dont know how this balances the mud or anyhting i know alot of work was put into this and maybe by tweaking some key pieces it will work. But 1 real key thing i see is that now instead of 6-8 zones that are done you will do 2-3 zones. which is sad, i wish it was more like 15-20 zones that are done to get what you need.
Dugmaren mutters in a surly voice 'Got any new strategy or going to continue with the "throw bodies at them til they get bored"? '
Dranth group-says 'i started drinkin when i found out galzar would be here'
Nerox says 'careful she goes from 0 to bitch in .00000001 seconds'
Mugo ASSOC:: 'ah got it on my gaytimer now :P'
Dranth group-says 'i started drinkin when i found out galzar would be here'
Nerox says 'careful she goes from 0 to bitch in .00000001 seconds'
Mugo ASSOC:: 'ah got it on my gaytimer now :P'
Malia wrote:regardless of the downgrades, there are now gonna be ALOT of zones that are forgoten about.. just like roots.. cuz now all the pieces you need to get are from like 2-3 zones. dont know how this balances the mud or anyhting i know alot of work was put into this and maybe by tweaking some key pieces it will work. But 1 real key thing i see is that now instead of 6-8 zones that are done you will do 2-3 zones. which is sad, i wish it was more like 15-20 zones that are done to get what you need.
Personally, I really liked how sf gave an item with better ansi and -1ss better than the amulet in crypts. Even with that little change, sf was done quite frequently, and I don't think too many people complained about risk vs reward.
Does a zone being easy mean nothing top notch should come from it? I'd say no. What if that new orc zone had 1 solid meatshield/rogue/cleric/mage item that randomly loaded in the end instead of 12 items that noone really wants.
How fun can it be to do muspel, spob and seelie every day?
Again...but who asked me :P
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Maedor wrote:Does a zone being easy mean nothing top notch should come from it? I'd say no.
that's cuz your an idiot:)
It's exactly what it means.
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Crypts is easy and fast =) you can 5man it in less then 30 min really not saying thats a bad thing. Zones like that are fun cuz for those that dont have time to invest into a 4hr zone. not saying the reward should be as good but its not a hard zone at all.
Dugmaren mutters in a surly voice 'Got any new strategy or going to continue with the "throw bodies at them til they get bored"? '
Dranth group-says 'i started drinkin when i found out galzar would be here'
Nerox says 'careful she goes from 0 to bitch in .00000001 seconds'
Mugo ASSOC:: 'ah got it on my gaytimer now :P'
Dranth group-says 'i started drinkin when i found out galzar would be here'
Nerox says 'careful she goes from 0 to bitch in .00000001 seconds'
Mugo ASSOC:: 'ah got it on my gaytimer now :P'
My point is more that instead of 12 items that noone wants, have 1 decent to good item load. You still waste a groups time for 1 item...it just happens to be an item that will get used.
The problem with mid level zones, is that level 30s don't zone. So if the rewards arent' worth a small high level groups time, then, once the novelty of the new zone wears off, it gets cobwebs.
The problem with mid level zones, is that level 30s don't zone. So if the rewards arent' worth a small high level groups time, then, once the novelty of the new zone wears off, it gets cobwebs.
I was pointing out that goodies do zones on an inherently different level than evils do the same zones. It is my opinion that the system applied to eq changes took into account the "goodie" method of doing each zone, and not the "evil" way. It is possible for evils to use the same methods. We choose not to, for the most part, though I suppose we've been sliding on that as well now that more goodies are playing evil, and we were introduced to such twinktastic fun by Dartan. None of this is meant as an attack, just an observation.
No offense but twink is a word that is meant as an insult.
I would much rather use strategy to do a zone with less people where they all have to be good players and all have to be on the ball then just throw a bunch of people together and blast away at things.
The fact that using strategy to do things differently is seen as a bad thing is just sad.
I would much rather use strategy to do a zone with less people where they all have to be good players and all have to be on the ball then just throw a bunch of people together and blast away at things.
The fact that using strategy to do things differently is seen as a bad thing is just sad.
I respect strategy up to the point where it begins to bypass the spirit of the game and the intention of its makers. At that point, I consider it an exploit of imperfection.
Sorry about hijacking your thread, Maedor. Roots belt is still one of the better belts in the game, and with the proper group, it can be a quick zone. They might want to consider tweaking the proc now, though, to bring it more in line with the stats of the belt.
Sorry about hijacking your thread, Maedor. Roots belt is still one of the better belts in the game, and with the proper group, it can be a quick zone. They might want to consider tweaking the proc now, though, to bring it more in line with the stats of the belt.
old depok wrote:Just for the record, I agree with you Tod.
Ok now for the roots belt, glad I have a demi girdle already. Now my necro wont have belt envy when looking at Depok. No reason to sell my soul for an old roots belt either.
Thanks.
Old and New are the same now i believe. Mageable. Correct me if I'm wrong :)
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The new belts are same ansi as old but are not mageable.
Dugmaren mutters in a surly voice 'Got any new strategy or going to continue with the "throw bodies at them til they get bored"? '
Dranth group-says 'i started drinkin when i found out galzar would be here'
Nerox says 'careful she goes from 0 to bitch in .00000001 seconds'
Mugo ASSOC:: 'ah got it on my gaytimer now :P'
Dranth group-says 'i started drinkin when i found out galzar would be here'
Nerox says 'careful she goes from 0 to bitch in .00000001 seconds'
Mugo ASSOC:: 'ah got it on my gaytimer now :P'
Crypts is easy, whichever way you choose to do it.
Mysrel tells you 'have my babies'
You tell Mysrel 'u want me to be ur baby daddy?'
Mysrel tells you 'daddy? No, I think you have the terminology wrong'
You tell Mysrel 'comeon now we both know i would be the top'
Mysrel tells you 'can be where ever you want to be, yer still getting ****** like a drunken cheerleader'
You tell Mysrel 'u want me to be ur baby daddy?'
Mysrel tells you 'daddy? No, I think you have the terminology wrong'
You tell Mysrel 'comeon now we both know i would be the top'
Mysrel tells you 'can be where ever you want to be, yer still getting ****** like a drunken cheerleader'
Ashiwi wrote:Heck, just ditch the cuendillar and work roots belt stats off of the entire zone, since everybody goes for the roots belt, anyway. Take all stats off cuendillar and attach it to a charm braclet.
or do what savras does. make one zone and have all different kind of rewards, thus justifying stats. make it so only one item loads in roots
It will be fixed in Toril 2.0.
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Roots belt's 2 extra HP not a big deal. 9 str is quite nice. I don't think roots will be done as much, but probably still be on the agenda. I think it might still get done for people who ask / lead it specifically but certainly not as a run of the mill zone.
PS: I did use cuenduillar for all my spellsave. :(
PS: I did use cuenduillar for all my spellsave. :(
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name one ohter zone that was responsible for a restore from backup.
Heartstone always had stats that were overlooked, but now those stats seemed to have made roots belt just plain silly.
Roots is one of the most unique zones on toril and it can basically go play with itself with the !mage flag added and with the downgrade it holds no distinction over any of the other belts.
Wonder how many "points" SPOB got for being "unique"
This change is as ridiculous as making new ones !mage and leaving the old ones in the game was.
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and tonights winner in the Toril EQ lottery is demi belt!
GOD DAMNIT why did I pond my ticket!
Heartstone always had stats that were overlooked, but now those stats seemed to have made roots belt just plain silly.
Roots is one of the most unique zones on toril and it can basically go play with itself with the !mage flag added and with the downgrade it holds no distinction over any of the other belts.
Wonder how many "points" SPOB got for being "unique"
This change is as ridiculous as making new ones !mage and leaving the old ones in the game was.
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and tonights winner in the Toril EQ lottery is demi belt!
GOD DAMNIT why did I pond my ticket!
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kiryan wrote:i think heartstone was 100 moves previously not 50.
Heartstone used to be 100mv, -10sv_sp, perm-light (can not be darknessed).
Heartstone is now 50mv, -5sv_sp, perm-light.
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Todrael wrote:I was pointing out that goodies do zones on an inherently different level than evils do the same zones. It is my opinion that the system applied to eq changes took into account the "goodie" method of doing each zone, and not the "evil" way. It is possible for evils to use the same methods. We choose not to, for the most part, though I suppose we've been sliding on that as well now that more goodies are playing evil, and we were introduced to such twinktastic fun by Dartan. None of this is meant as an attack, just an observation.
Sorry, but you said it yourself when we did 4 ancestral dragons. Ssryth had been doing the same tactics we used before. I won't doubt Ssissiv and Ssissu had been doing the same too. Hell, ever heard of Tagad and Taelin soloing chloracrida? I didn't introduce anything. The only reason I came into the light was b/c of DSR/Imphras flamewars. Lilithelle was doing "twinky" stuff at the same time too but she never caught attention because it was always Dornax pointing out my actions. The tactics I used were smart and saved time. I will assume the "goodie" way is indeed the "smart" way.
It will be fixed in Toril 2.0.
Aremat group-says 'tanks i highly suggest investing 20 silver in training weapons from cm to cut down on the losing scales to shield'
Aremat group-says 'tanks i highly suggest investing 20 silver in training weapons from cm to cut down on the losing scales to shield'
I don't understand why you're replying to something that you already read, and was already replied to twice by other people, then again by me to clarify the situation? I didn't mean it as an attack. I meant it as an observation. You're one of the best players I've seen, as is Lilithelle. That doesn't mean that nobody else uses the same tactics, nor does it mean I have to approve of those tactics in every case. To quote myself:
I respect strategy up to the point where it begins to bypass the spirit of the game and the intention of its makers. At that point, I consider it an exploit of imperfection.
I respect strategy up to the point where it begins to bypass the spirit of the game and the intention of its makers. At that point, I consider it an exploit of imperfection.
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