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Postby Yasden » Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:28 am

I know jot invasion eq was already discussed but I'm only upset at the fact that I relied on this weapon not only for its damage but also for the sense life. I'm just wanting the sense life back on it is all, I don't want to have to start hoarding goofball items just to get an effect I need to lead zones that require it.
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Postby Bilraex » Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:44 pm

this is another one of those items that is a staple and should just be left alone. The loki fight during invasion is pretty tough.
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Postby belleshel » Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:14 pm

I have to agree, if there was one invasion item that should have stayed put, this was it. I can't honestly remember the last time a warrior busted one of these out in a zone with me, Gythka got all the love. Remember when twilight was uber...something warriors actually took pride in having...
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Postby Gura » Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:15 pm

remember when you could tank 2handing also?
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Postby Dalar » Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:47 pm

Bilraex wrote:this is another one of those items that is a staple and should just be left alone. The loki fight during invasion is pretty tough.


just curious, but can't you just roar out his jarls like before?
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Postby kiryan » Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:05 pm

giving it sense life back still makes it a shitty weapon and little better for leading. You can't tank anything except pods 2h without doing your group a huge disservice.

IT needs to serve its original purpose which was to do frightening damage and be lusted after.
and tonights winner in the Toril EQ lottery is demi belt and skull earring!
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Postby ssar » Tue Nov 11, 2003 2:35 am

It appears that sense and infra were removed from twilight (correct me if I'm wrong). This is quite severe I think for this weapon, for many of the abovementioned reasons, I agree.
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Postby Guest » Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:56 pm

Not to mention the damage getting whacked. An extra three dam isnt gonna unbalance the mud, especially looking at the current melee *cough* balance situation, or the fact that you cant tank worth beans 2handed, or the fact that you probably cant bash too good either, or the fact that it gets pwned by gythka procs anyhow. And the damn thing is called a Longsword of Destruction, after all. DESTRUCTION!

Wanna whack all the other warrior 2handers....fine. But leave this beautiful sword alone.

Lets keep some items special in this mud.
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Postby Sarell » Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:27 am

Ladak is broken :( *touch*
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Postby Bilraex » Thu Nov 13, 2003 2:24 pm

So we do jot invasion the other nite, and there is only 1 bid on the twilight, just one and it was a voker.

Ya for making the greatest sword in toril a trinket.
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Postby chandigar » Thu Nov 13, 2003 3:59 pm

Bilraex wrote:So we do jot invasion the other nite, and there is only 1 bid on the twilight, just one and it was a voker.

Ya for making the greatest sword in toril a trinket.


Uhh yea... because its evil warrior only, and the leader restricted bids to only those who have 40+ alts that can use it.

Twilight still doesn't seem that bad guys, both compared to the other stuff thats in the game and considering that the avenger is going to get nuked. The proc probably cost a ton too.
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Postby Sarell » Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:23 pm

major problem is that the proc depends on your base damage to be useful at all, so wielding a 2h weapon with bad damage dice with this proc is a tad self destructive / silly.

But make it SL infra anyhow :p ... no idea why so much utility items got nerfed, just wastes time making the chanter cast infra on me :9 and not like many warriors used 2h already with shieldblock in place.
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Postby Delmair Aamoren » Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:27 pm

I could be wrong, but last i checked twilight was NOT evil warrior only, it's just !paladin.
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Postby Dalar » Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:39 pm

screw 2h. 6d4 4/4 axe 1h in spob.
It will be fixed in Toril 2.0.

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Postby Jhorr » Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:42 am

Groan, Twilight is such a shadow of its former self. Upstaged by a weapon that can be solo'd. Give it back the sense/infra. Make it useable again, please.
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Postby Gromikazer » Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:03 am

Give it more procs... make it cooler.. don't have to add on sense life or infra if it does more then a 2 round 15 damage increase (With now days stats :()
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Postby Sarell » Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:29 am

losing infra on this item seriously hurt barb warriors.. also fire giant warriors who like to lead. I woulda rolled a dorf :P

I think gaining infra/ SL and losing shieldblock was a trade that you would only do if leading or going for style points. As far as balance went there was not any reason to wield this sword anyhow. Now there is no reason to wield it at all.
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Postby Dalar » Sun Nov 23, 2003 2:32 am

upgrade quest to make it 1her!
It will be fixed in Toril 2.0.

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Postby Waelos » Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:21 pm

Nice idea! make it a quest to 'enhance the wielder's strength' thing orsomething.

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Postby Kasula » Sun Nov 23, 2003 10:59 pm

The proc should change too... like Battle rage from the Berserkers in the past. The hitpoints should jump up like a 100 or 200 points and than drain away like a vit. I think that would be cool.

Plus add back all the other stuff... pff sense life infra and etc!!
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Postby Stamm » Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:04 pm

Drain away unlike a vit I think?

I.e. you go from 1200/1200 to 1000/1000 not 1200/1000

Otherwise it'd be a really nice way of healing.
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Postby Sarell » Mon Nov 24, 2003 1:11 pm

"upgrade quest to make it 1her!"


you're being sarcastic and mean making jibes about how useless 2h weapons are right? :P

anyhow, ignore all those people, make it infra sense, 1d1 and red and 2 handed.. lost all hit and dam, can even make it !float... :P need to stop re-arranging items instead of trying to get some sort of whacked out melee balance that just isnt going to happen.

PS: bring back ladak and sarell's 1h weapons too!
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Postby Dalar » Mon Nov 24, 2003 2:46 pm

no my friend and i were asking a zone god to do this a long time ago :P
It will be fixed in Toril 2.0.

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Postby Pheten » Mon Nov 24, 2003 2:50 pm

Alas for the 2h, what has happened to ye. So pointless to go 2h anymore, huge 8 foot long swords that do less damage than a short sword.

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