Autoassist

[Zuurn Shatter Skull]

Was just thinking earlier and I wondered, is there an autoassist trigger that I could use somewhere out there?? I made one a while back but the only problem was I would assist people inside my group as well as outside, heh.

-Z

[Jegzed]

I always assumed auto-assist = botting?

[belleshel]

Auto-assist is botting? when auto-rescue is not? ...at what point does a lot of triggers mean botting? On sojourn I was under the
impression that 'illegal botting' was when the user wasn't actively at the console, but your trigs/scripts continue to run your char in a benefical fashion. If you are actively monitoring/interacting with your mudding, you can have any triggers you can think of..no?
B

Seen some real clever bots while admining, some to the point that they would carry on a quick conversation before they had to
'logoff' most folks just don't put that kinda effort into their cheating

[belleshel]

As for the auto-assist just use a group VAR (see auto rescue thread) that you check before assisting (and disable the class while in combat).
B

[Tayros]

If you check out the help files in Zmud, Zugg lays down an auto-assist trigger. Look under advanced triggers, joining the leader in battle

Tay

[gurzog]

auto-assist trigger? is that really necessary?
here's a few helpful aliases:
#alias af {assist fire}
#alias aw {assist water}
#alias ae {assist earth}
#alias aa {assist air}
#alias av {assist vampire}
#alias aw {assist wraith}
#alias a2v {assist 2.vampire}
Then, if I find I'm assisting certain PC's
often, I just make an alias for them, like
#alias ab {assist blung}
#alias ac {assist crukk}
etc...
Of course it's messy but it works good
enough for me, only prob is if you assist
lots of different people, you eventually
end up overwriting aliases, I know one battle
I spent at least a minute wondering why
I wasn't fighting when i typed af, it was
because I had accidentally set the alias
to assist some PC hehe :)
But you'll probably notice that in the
end you're assisting the same people/pets
90% of the time.

[Tilandal]

Ok ill outline a short auto assist trigger.

First you need a variable, lets call it incombat.

incombat is 0 if you are not fighting and 1 if you are.

Next you need a trigger to capture when combat begins. lets say:

%w {hits|slashes|bashes|kicks|bairly hits|....} {a|the} *

if incombat = 0 assist %1

Now you need a trigger to capture when you assist.

you assist*

incombat == 1

Finnaly you need to figure out when combat ends. Either you die or the mob dies so..

You recieve your share of*
incombat == 0

Welcome to Sojourn
incombat == 0

Thats about it.

[cherzra]

Here's one to add to whatever autoassist triggers you use...


quit;
yes;
2; (menu option for delete)


It's clear botting, I doubt the staff will deal with you kindly

[belleshel]

I believe auto assisting is just plain lazy, but I still fail to see how it is botting, when you don't consider auto-rescue as botting (and I know you use that ).
If your at the keyboard and actively following/involved in the action (not asleep) for either action it seems that you aren't botting, if you are away from the keyboard for either...that is by
definition, botting.
Better change your auto-rescues Cherzra
Belle

[cherzra]

Hmm, you're right, however I would consider the potential for cheating with autoassisting a whole lot higher than with autorescuing... after all autorescuing = dangerous, autoassisting = free xp ride

[Jegzed]

Free xp ride = this

Grouped with cherzra doing pythons or guardians.

and sit semi-afk reading a book, while interrupting his busy killing with helpful gsays.

gsay 'feh, I told you you can do this without stoneskin'
gsay 'only lazy trolls need haste'
gsay 'no problem, jaeleyn gets on in approx 2 hours, your corpse should last that long. get back here now to continue exp.'

[Sarell]

ROFL Jegzed!!!

[Vipplin]

And, coming a bit late... I second that ROFL!

Begin long aimless discussion here:
I tend to agree w/Belleshel that so long as you're there at the keyboard, it ain't botting. Any other line would be too grey to discern. I don't use auto-assist because starting my character into combat is just something I prefer to do manaully. I may put in a trigger to auto-assist once rescued, though. *shrug*

I think if you were going to draw the line further back, it should allow only eating/drinking automatically. That's something so far I've decided not to do. *boggle* I don't know why, but it just makes my char feel more real to decide when to eat/drink. I may get tired of that and start using triggers. *shrug*

I played a mud once (in 1991 I think ) where the mud itself stored 20 aliases for you, which could be used at meta-levels to be pretty effective. They didn't allow outside-mud aliases. Try to police THAT! I was just telnetting at the time anyhow, so no harm to me.

Since I'm being totally long-winded, why stop now? To me, I actually get a good chunk of fun just out of trying to design cool aliases/triggers. I know I'm sick, but I program for fun (I suspect many other mudders do too). I'd hate to see what is (to me) a fun aspect of the game curtailed.

The things I like to trigger and alias are the tedious things (switching to travel gear, bank deposits...) and the critical things that can slip by on the screen if you aren't careful. I'd say auto-rescues would be something I'd like to do manually, but you can rescue so much faster with a trigger that it just makes you a better player to use them.

Well there you go, some opinion, info, lots of fluff! Bottom line... I feel that as long as you're paying attention, ya ain't no bot.

Vadian

[This message has been edited by Vipplin (edited 07-11-2001).]