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when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:57 pm

Recently 6 teenage boys were caught sending around a picture message of a 13 year old girl naked. There is talk that these boys should be charged under the child pornograpy act and that they must become registered sex offenders. There is an argument that this is too strict a punishment for the 6 boys, but it is child porn in every sense of the being. There has been other cases of the exact same thing and the the offenders who sent around the pictures werent charged at all, merely got community service. Now are they sending the message that child porn is acceptable on some levels or are they just letting the boys be boys?

There are cases too where 14 year old girls are caught sending around naked pictures of themselves, what can be done about this, again they are making child porn. Kids are growing up too fast and thinking themselves of too mature these days. Where do we draw the line at child porn and kids being kids?
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Sarvis » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:09 pm

Where did the picture originate? Did the boys coerce her into being photographed, or was she one of the girls that took a nude photo of herself and sent it to someone?

In any case, "boys will be boys" or not... it's ridiculous to charge these kids as adults and put them on the sex offender list when they are still of an age where THEY could be victims of child porn if, say, the girl had possessed a naked picture of them.

The laws are a little muddy, but they were put in place mostly to protect young children from predation by adults. Not to punish anyone and everyone who gets a picture texted to them.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Corth » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:16 pm

If theres grass on the field play ball?!

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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Gormal » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:11 pm

No news link, no information on the boys age, no state, no real information.


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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:52 pm

This is an example of laws not keeping pace with changes in society. With the amount of sex we have in our culture, is it any wonder that kids are trading naked pictures of each other?

I think the logical next step is to refine the pornography laws. If kids are mature and responsible enough to have sex like adults then they should be able to share naked pictures like adults. If a chick sends out a naked picture of herself to multiple others, then its a public image. If they send it to one person or with the understanding not to share it, then let the courts decide whether her privacy was invaded.

What we don't need is a bunch of new laws that say its ok when a 14 yo has a naked picture of another 14 yo but not when an 19 yo has one of a 17 yo.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Sarvis » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:59 pm

kiryan wrote:
What we don't need is a bunch of new laws that say its ok when a 14 yo has a naked picture of another 14 yo but not when an 19 yo has one of a 17 yo.


Well, it would mirror our current sex laws at least.

Not that that's necessarily a good thing.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:08 pm

and is that a good thing?

if a 12 yo is legally allowed to have sex with another 12 yo, why shouldn't they be able to have sex with an 18 yo or a 40 yo? Because society thinks its wrong? I think most of American society thinks that 12 yo's having sex is wrong.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Sarvis » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:13 pm

kiryan wrote:and is that a good thing?


Err... read all the words?

if a 12 yo is legally allowed to have sex with another 12 yo, why shouldn't they be able to have sex with an 18 yo or a 40 yo? Because society thinks its wrong? I think most of American society thinks that 12 yo's having sex is wrong.


So if we think 12 year olds having sex is wrong, shouldn't we throw both 12 year olds in jail if they have sex? Put them on the sex offender registry?
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Gormal » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:38 pm

kiryan wrote:and is that a good thing?

if a 12 yo is legally allowed to have sex with another 12 yo, why shouldn't they be able to have sex with an 18 yo or a 40 yo? Because society thinks its wrong? I think most of American society thinks that 12 yo's having sex is wrong.



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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:02 pm

im not a pedophile, I'm an equal opportunity orgasm donor.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Thilindel » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:18 am

kiryan wrote:im not a pedophile, I'm an equal opportunity orgasm donor.


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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Ragorn » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:13 am

kiryan wrote:and is that a good thing?

if a 12 yo is legally allowed to have sex with another 12 yo, why shouldn't they be able to have sex with an 18 yo or a 40 yo? Because society thinks its wrong? I think most of American society thinks that 12 yo's having sex is wrong.

Child pornography laws are not designed to keep minors from having sex, they are designed to keep adults from exploiting children in a sexual way.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Gormal » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:33 am

The fact that someone feels that they have to explain why child pornography is a bad thing speaks volumes about the pedophiles in this thread.

I'm serious.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Tasan » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:29 am

Gormal wrote:The fact that someone feels that they have to explain why child pornography is a bad thing speaks volumes about the pedophiles in this thread.

I'm one of them.



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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:31 am

My opinion is that child porn laws are to catch people who are likely to escalate behavior into sexually abusing children later. That and legislating morality.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Ragorn » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:04 am

kiryan wrote:My opinion is that child porn laws are to catch people who are likely to escalate behavior into sexually abusing children later. That and legislating morality.

Your opinion may also be that the moon is made of cheese, doesn't change the facts.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Gormal » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:51 am

Um... child porn IS sexual abuse.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby oteb » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:41 am

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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:15 pm

yea i was gonna link that up to oteb. welcome to the natural development of our liberal sex ed programs, social safety nets and treating our children as adults. 13 yo dads.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:24 pm

I remember reading a lot of articles on the toughening of penalities for child pornography during the 80s. The dominant justification was that the people producing child porn were physically assaulting children sexually and the consumers were going on to physically sexually assault children.

To change your opinions, I guess its going to take someone evil enough to raise their boys to exploit your daughters' innocence and laugh at you as you realize its all perfectly legal. Just think how easy it would be. 12 yo's shouldn't be legally having sex, but if they are, then there is no reason why they can't be taking pictures of each other naked too.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Ragorn » Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:24 am

kiryan wrote:yea i was gonna link that up to oteb. welcome to the natural development of our liberal sex ed programs, social safety nets and treating our children as adults. 13 yo dads.

Welcome to the natural development of abstinence-only sex education programs, where our children are never taught proper contraceptive techniques.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:33 am

LOL, this is because Britian doesn't teach "proper" sex ed? Here are quotes from the article.

“It’s not being accusative, it’s about pointing out the complete collapse in some parts of society of any sense of what’s right and wrong.”

"There is no opprobrium any more about behavior, and quite often, children witness behavior that's aggressive, violent, rude and sexual. It's as if no one is saying this is wrong."

"We have got the social aspect of young girls in the UK seeing having a baby as a route to getting their own place," he said.

Children should not be having sex for fun with or without contraceptives and sex education. It aint fucking playing nintendo.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Sarvis » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:35 am

kiryan wrote:LOL, this is because Britian doesn't teach "proper" sex ed? Here are quotes from the article.

“It’s not being accusative, it’s about pointing out the complete collapse in some parts of society of any sense of what’s right and wrong.”

"There is no opprobrium any more about behavior, and quite often, children witness behavior that's aggressive, violent, rude and sexual. It's as if no one is saying this is wrong."

"We have got the social aspect of young girls in the UK seeing having a baby as a route to getting their own place," he said.

Children should not be having sex for fun with or without contraceptives and sex education. It aint fucking playing nintendo.


How do any of those quotes address whether or not the kids were taught abstinence only?

Oh right, they don't.

It's been shown that:

1) Abstinence only education does NOT delay the onset of sexual behavior
2) Once sexual behavior begins students who are taught an abstinence only program are more likely to become pregnant and contract STDs.
3) Comprehensive sex-ed actually does a better job of delaying the onset of sexual behavior.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:05 am

found this regarding the father talking to his son (the dad) which supports your position.

He said: “When I spoke to him he started crying. He said it was the first time he’d had sex, that he didn’t know what he was doing and of the complications that could come.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kiryan » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:19 am

Do me a favor, put "responsible" "sex" and "children" in a sentence that isn't an oxymoron.

This isn't playing tag on the playground or for fun. Children should not be having sex; we should be teaching our children that this is wrong.
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Kifle » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:05 pm

I find it completely funny that people rant on about moral decay in relation to things like this... girls used to get married at 12. There used to be arena death matches. Society didn't crumb then, and I don't expect a doomsday anytime soon. Morality is entirely subjective. In this case, we now see a 15 yr old pregnent by a 13yr old as morally wrong; however, years back it was the norm... well kind of. While I would be pissed if either were my kids, that's more because I'm a product of my generation rather than the behavior actually being "bad."
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby Sarvis » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:50 pm

kiryan wrote:Do me a favor, put "responsible" "sex" and "children" in a sentence that isn't an oxymoron.


Responsible children would understand the risks of having sex, and abstain slightly longer or at least use protection to mitigate those risks.

This isn't playing tag on the playground or for fun. Children should not be having sex; we should be teaching our children that this is wrong.


You realize that comprehensive sex education programs DO advocate abstinance right? The thing is, it's rather difficult for kids (or even adults) to fight instinct. Instinct is telling them to have sex, while parents are telling them not to. How often did you listen to your parents when you were a kid?
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby kwirl » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:18 pm

the funny part about that 13 year old father story is the 7 other boys who could have fathered the child, as the 15 year old girl had at least 8 sexual partners in the month of conception
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Re: when does it become kiddie porn?

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:14 pm

kwirl wrote:the funny part about that 13 year old father story is the 7 other boys who could have fathered the child, as the 15 year old girl had at least 8 sexual partners in the month of conception



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