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Re: Smoking

Postby Sarvis » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:40 pm

Botef wrote:Wow Sarvis, fail reading comprehension much?



Ok, that's weird. That is NOT what was written there when I hit the quote button... he must have edited before I hit the button?
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Re: Smoking

Postby Gormal » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:06 pm

Ragorn wrote:Hey, you're not forced to drive on the roads either, so I should be allowed to drive drunk.

Really, I can do this all day.


Are you fucking serious?

Here let me try:

No one forces you to get shot while hiking during hunting season.

No one forces you have sex so I shouldn't be required to pay child support if I knock a chick up.
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Re: Smoking

Postby oteb » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:35 pm

The main difference is that driving in general is prohibited. You need to pass an exam to get the right to drive. Smoking does not have such requirements so banning it in private property is just outright stupid.
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Re: Smoking

Postby Sarvis » Fri Apr 17, 2009 7:48 pm

oteb wrote:The main difference is that driving in general is prohibited. You need to pass an exam to get the right to drive. Smoking does not have such requirements so banning it in private property is just outright stupid.


Private property. A bit of a misnomer isn't it? After all, the word "Pub" is actually derived from "Public House."

There's a huge difference between your living room and a building that sees hundreds of visitors every day. (No, I don't mean your moms' living room!)
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Re: Smoking

Postby Botef » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:48 pm

Well if your going to argue with that kind of logic, we might as well get right to the heart of the matter and debate what the definition of 'is' is.
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Re: Smoking

Postby Sarvis » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:15 pm

Botef wrote:Well if your going to argue with that kind of logic, we might as well get right to the heart of the matter and debate what the definition of 'is' is.


So you don't see the difference between a building open to the general public and the one you sleep in at night? Hope you don't mind me dropping by for a nightcap after I strike out tonight!
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Re: Smoking

Postby oteb » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:17 pm

Sarvis wrote:
oteb wrote:The main difference is that driving in general is prohibited. You need to pass an exam to get the right to drive. Smoking does not have such requirements so banning it in private property is just outright stupid.


Private property. A bit of a misnomer isn't it? After all, the word "Pub" is actually derived from "Public House."

There's a huge difference between your living room and a building that sees hundreds of visitors every day. (No, I don't mean your moms' living room!)


And inn dervies from inni "in house" so lets allow smoking in inns but not in pubs. MAKES SENSE TO ME!
(thats also one place you will never visit, or any woman's room for that matter)
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Re: Smoking

Postby Botef » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:06 pm

Nightclubs are reserved the authority to choose who they allow into their place of business based on appearance, social status, wealth, and many other discriminatory reasons. They are a 'private' business in the same way a bar, tavern or pub is. Yet despite their authority to deny entry based on any number of circumstances, you still can't smoke once inside regardless of what the owner - and the patrons - think about it.

And you still haven't responded to my question about cigar lounges, who cater specifically to tobacco smokers. Are they really to close their doors and go out of business because some people don't like their choice of leisure?
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Re: Smoking

Postby oteb » Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:22 pm

Nice job editing posts after you were quoted Sarvis.
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Re: Smoking

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:26 am

The hookah lounges here in canada have had to switch to herbal tabbacco (if you can call it tabbacco at that point).
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Re: Smoking

Postby Sarvis » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:47 am

oteb wrote:Nice job editing posts after you were quoted Sarvis.



Yes, I know. I only did it because my post made no sense whatsoever given the change (I think) in Corth's post. I swear he said something different than what I ended up quoting. No biggie though. People know what I said, I just didn't want future generations to be confused about it.

Seriously Corth, you did edit that right? I mean.. it's either that or I need some kind of medication...

Ok, maybe I need medication anyway, but still...?
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Re: Smoking

Postby Corth » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:31 pm

Yeah I edited it about 10 seconds after I posted it. You probably pressed the quote button without refreshing to see the changes. But what I got a kick out of was that you actually modified the quoted portion (removed a sentence or two) without noticing that the content had changed. :)
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Re: Smoking

Postby Sarvis » Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:32 pm

Corth wrote:Yeah I edited it about 10 seconds after I posted it. You probably pressed the quote button without refreshing to see the changes. But what I got a kick out of was that you actually modified the quoted portion (removed a sentence or two) without noticing that the content had changed. :)


I did? That doesn't make sense... the original was only one sentence so I wouldn't have looked at it! I think. I don't know... I'm still confused. Oh well, at least you knew your original position was wrong. ;)
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Re: Smoking

Postby Corth » Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:08 pm

You reply to messages way too quick!
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Re: Smoking

Postby Gormal » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:16 am

Smoking lounges still exist as "private clubs", in California a few of the casinos had to make this change to allow smoking on their premises as well. I don't remember the exact figure, but when the ban was passed there the casinos lost some insane amount of money within the first month. There's only 3 smoking clubs in the Portland area since the ban came into effect in January, 2 of which already existed as cigar lounges I believe.

Here's an interesting piece of fallout from the law: I worked at an assisted living community where residents need help with day to day living, the majority of whom are in wheelchairs. They were not allowed to smoke in their rooms, but balconies and smoking rooms were provided on every floor for them. All of the rooms and balconies are now closed in places like this, and now residents must go to the main floor and out to a covered area in the center of the courtyard or out on the sidewalk to smoke.

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