Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

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Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Lorendel Ebonmist » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:23 am

Where is the thread that pertains to how badly Obama dropped the ball in his response to helping Haiti?


and

I searched in vain, to find the text transcipt of The Daily Show's 17 NOV 2009 airing in which Stewart interviewd Joe Biden. Episode 11440 i think. It part #2. The video transcripts I did find seemed to leave out the last line or two of the Interview After Stewart asked Biden why the Democrats cant get anything done with (what used to be) a filibuster proof majority. His answers was something like "cause we suck".

Id like Todrael, if he would (and cause he seems to be the resident TDS Expert), cause I cant find a text transcript of this interview.
I was looking for it cause some thread somewhere was talking about the ineptness of the Dems, but I cant remeber where I was reading that.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Todrael » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:46 am

In the interview you refer to, here's the relevant text from near the end, starting around minute 5:

Jon: But why couldn't the Democrats then stop them, when they were in.. because the Republicans never had 60 votes. It always strikes me that, when the Republicans are in the majority, it's, "Let's have a straight up and down vote," and they get it done, and when the Democrats are in the majority they're like, "I'm drowning!" <paddling motion> and it's completely baffling to my eyes as I watch it!

Joe: Well, um, you make a good point...
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Todrael » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:47 am

As for reading a thread where people were bashing Democrats, I think you meant here.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby kiryan » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:51 am

Well this is as good as anywhere to post this.

A BBC article asking and answering the question as to why poor stupid republicans continue to vote against people who want to do things that will directly benefit them.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8474611.stm

He manages to get it kinda right, identifying that "They do it because they resent having their interests decided for them by politicians who think they know best. " and "This is a culture war but it is not simply being driven by differences over abortion, or religion, or patriotism. And it is not simply Red states vs. Blue states any more. It is a war on the entire political culture, on the arrogance of politicians, on their slipperiness and lack of principle, on their endless deal making and compromises. ".

but even though he was so close, he still didn't actually get it, and he spent most of the article making the case that GOP voters are dumb and voting against their interests (engaged in the same ego elitism that he claims Democrats are). But he's wrong... we aren't voting against our interests... we are voting in our best interests... that interst being FREEDOM to live or die in extreme wealth or poverty according to our efforts and decisions. We don't want nanny state socialism to smooth out the lows in our lives because we believe that our kids will have the opportunity to do better. This is the country to live in if you believe hard work and entreprenuerial spirit can earn you wealth beyond your dreams, not corruption and government service / influence peddling.

We know exactly what which interests we are voting for, Freedom.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Todrael » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:53 am

Please define the term 'freedom'.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby kiryan » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:55 am

freedom. government leaving you, your family, your property, your money alone.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Corth » Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:38 pm

The presupposition is that big government will create more wealth and increase the standard of living. If you assume that, then it's easy to write an article asking why republicans vote against their own interests. In the US we are still debating that point...
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Adriorn Darkcloak » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:46 pm

Todrael wrote:Please define the term 'freedom'.


Old little cartoon.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Sarvis » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:31 am

Adriorn Darkcloak wrote:
Todrael wrote:Please define the term 'freedom'.


Old little cartoon.


Was I the only one reminded of Bush's Free Speech Zones, and the current Conservatism zeal against unions?
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby kiryan » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:14 pm

I didn't see any of that... good video, amazing how much of it you could argue is true today.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:45 pm

kiryan wrote:freedom. government leaving you, your family, your property, your money alone.

A better word would be liberty.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:50 pm

Lorendel Ebonmist wrote:Where is the thread that pertains to how badly Obama dropped the ball in his response to helping Haiti?


There isn't a thread criticizing the weakness or lack of Obama's response to Haiti for several reasons:

1) Only the people that blindly criticized the Bush administration are dumb enough to believe that Bush dropped the ball on Katrina.

2) The only people here that are interested in criticizing Obama are smart enough to see that Bush didn't drop the ball on Katrina and Obama didn't drop the ball on Haiti.

Finally,

3) It is possible that some people who might want to criticize Obama just don't care about Haiti.

We all agree that more can be done better and faster - but Americans are willing to accept good faith effort, which I believe we see in Haiti with relative competence at the moment. Our nation's armed forces do a fantastic job at disaster relief compared to all of our peers. We have an air and sea lift that cannot be rivaled and special forces that can run infrastructure like nobody's business.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby Lorendel Ebonmist » Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:34 pm

Thanks for commenting Tef.

I can only agree with you 100%. Freely admit I was just "fishing" for some kind of feeback.

I guess its pretty obvious to even liberals and democrats, that if a republican were in office though, we wouldn't be able to get any other news other than how badly the situation was being handled. thank again for taking the time to respond to that question.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby kiryan » Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:29 pm

I definitely agree on #1 and #2.

However, Bush's appointee to lead FEMA was perhaps not as qualified as he could've been which I think was the bulk of the criticism.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby teflor the ranger » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:38 pm

kiryan wrote:I definitely agree on #1 and #2.

However, Bush's appointee to lead FEMA was perhaps not as qualified as he could've been which I think was the bulk of the criticism.

Bush's appointee was unqualified, yet the job seemed to be getting done reasonably well. Still, it's not like people with deep CIA credentials can just come out and say what they do for a living ;) (not that this stops some of them)
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby kiryan » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:41 pm

yea.. i'm not so sure the job was bungled... but he he did take a fair amount of criticism because he didn't have the documented experience that maybe another canidate would have... I don't know that you can defend his performance, but we can certainly see you can attack it soley based on his credentials.
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Re: Media Fails and A Request to Todrael

Postby teflor the ranger » Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:46 pm

The response to the disaster was excellent, especially when compared with any of our international peers. Very few casualties resulted from an incident - that - anywhere else in the world would have presented a hundred times more disastrous.

Of course, there are definitely more qualified individuals to fill that post - but let's be honest - there's always someone more qualified for a middling government management position. He was more qualified for his position than my district manager was for her position when I was in the Fed. Yet, the job got done. Surprise. Certification doesn't precisely translate to competence.

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