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more liberal hipocrisy

Postby kiryan » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:12 am

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43572.html

A campaign aide to brown, the democratic candidate for govenor, is heard on tape calling Meg Whitman a whore... Brown then uses the same word in the ensuing discussion.

The national organization of women (NOW) called on Brown to fire the person then flip flops and calls it a teachable moment.

Why is it racism and gender discrimination for GOP and a teachable moment for liberals?

and you wonder why we look at all liberal organizations skeptically and refuse to take them at face value. NOW isn't here to help women, its here to attack conservatives and the GOP.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Sarvis » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:08 am

No, Meg Whitman is an actual whore so NOW couldn't be upset. Meg actually works the docks with your mom!
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby kiryan » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:36 am

You know Sarvis, my mom would work the docks to give me anything I needed or that she thought I needed.

My mom is a better person than you or I will ever be. Congratulations, you insulted a great woman you don't even know who didn't deserve it.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Sarvis » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:07 am

Who said working the docks was an insult? That's your hangup, not mine.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Ragorn » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:20 am

kiryan wrote:You know Sarvis, my mom would work the docks to give me anything I needed or that she thought I needed.

My mom is a better person than you or I will ever be. Congratulations, you insulted a great woman you don't even know who didn't deserve it.

Just like you did with Meg Whitman.

You should be fucking ASHAMED of yourself.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Kifle » Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:39 pm

There's nothing wrong with prostitution.

On the subject at hand, should we yell sexism every time a woman calls a man a "dog" or an "asshole"? Minority groups are getting more and more annoying as the years go on. And, before you think this is me agreeing completely with the conservatives, I'm not. I actually think a lot of these minority groups have the power they do within these communities is a hyper-correction due largely in part to the far right -- and of course historical oppression that was legitimate. Without slavery, there would be no BET, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton. Without the internal need for there to be no gay marriage, there would be no LGBT awareness and other such annoyances. Without forcing women into a subclass under men prior to the 80's and 90's, there would be no NOW.

If the right really wants to take the power away from these ultra liberal groups, find the middle ground and stop pushing for extremes. If you confront a group of oppressed people with an extreme, their only course of action is to react with an extreme. Without these extremes from the right, these groups would possibly never form, and if they did, these groups would have so little power, they would be reduced to small fractions like the crazy militias with 4 members that want to ride their fishing boats to Iraq to help kill the A-rabs. PETA, on the other hand... well, those folks are just fucking nuts, and I don't think that problem stems from the right at all.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Corth » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:12 pm

Wait are you saying that slavery and/or racism were advocated by the far right? FYI - Abe Lincoln was a Republican and it was the southern Democrats that were fighting to keep slavery.

I'm not sure exactly what far right ultra extremes you are saying cause liberals to overreact. I would find a more comprehensive list interesting.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Kifle » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:13 pm

"I actually think a lot of these minority groups have the power they do within these communities is a hyper-correction due largely in part to the far right -- and of course historical oppression that was legitimate."

As for a list, I suppose I can indulge a bit:

Banning gay marriage
Women's Suffrage
Racial discrimination (i.e. Brown Vs. Board of Education)
Religious domination by the christian right which often get turned into law/government slogans -- which later morph into a false view that the country is christian

In general, I'm more referring to conservatism as an ideology which is generally picked up as practice by the far right. More succinctly, I'm pointing towards the idea that precedent actions and ideologies are correct -- brought by a fear of change or an advanced indoctrination of personal belief rather than natural law. Case in point, gay marriage: marriage is a social construct which has now become more than it was originally intended to be. E.g. marriage is now a tax benefit, a proclamation of love through social nuances, etc. More importantly, marriage is a government recognized union rather than strictly a religious union. You can be married, legally, through use of government facilities rather than religious (i.e. getting married at the court house). Therefore, as the concept of marriage has changed from religious to secular, so should the requirements of marriage (man/woman). However, the far right will not allow this due to conservatism -- simply, they remain under the guise that marriage is still strictly religious due to precedent and indoctrinated ideology. The times have changed, but the far right refuses to acknowledge this fact.

I could go on, but I think I've clarified my point.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Corth » Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:16 pm

What part of that has anything to do with the far right? An overreaction to historical oppression I can see. But you said it was both. I don't see any far right politician within the mainstream who is any way advocating in favor of racist policies. I mean, you have some KKK guys and other wackjobs. But as far as mainstream conservative politicians - nothing at all.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby kiryan » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:15 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/1 ... 61987.html

This is Brown's public excuse for not firing the staffer. Which makes you wonder is NOW releveant anymore given its whoring itself to Brown. The use of "hate" speech against women is apparently mollified by their position that Brown is more friendly to their immediate agenda.

"This is a five-week-old private conversation picked up on a cellphone with a garbled transmission, very hard to detect who it is," Brown said during Tuesday's debate. "I don't want to get into the term and how it's used. But I'll say the campaign promptly apologized and I reaffirm that apology tonight."

One thing that could be preventing Brown from firing the offending staffer is a personal relationship. Fox News--citing an unnamed source--reported last week that his wife, Anne, used the slur against Whitman. Brown's campaign has not responded to this allegation.

I figured it might be his wife when no one could name the "staffer". 5 week old recording and no one can recognize the voice, BULLSHIT... or remember who used this horrible hate speech against women? is the use of the word whore that common around the brown camp that no one can remember a specific usage of it?
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Sarvis » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:27 pm

kiryan wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/13/now-endorses-brown-wants-_n_761987.html

This is Brown's public excuse for not firing the staffer. Which makes you wonder is NOW releveant anymore given its whoring itself to Brown. The use of "hate" speech against women is apparently mollified by their position that Brown is more friendly to their immediate agenda.



Yes, it's called reality. Sometimes you have to put up with someone you don't really like because they are better for you in the long run. It's like being polite to your boss, even if you overhear him calling you a jackass, so that you get a good raise and a promotion.

It's called choosing your battles.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Kifle » Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:32 pm

Corth wrote:What part of that has anything to do with the far right? An overreaction to historical oppression I can see. But you said it was both. I don't see any far right politician within the mainstream who is any way advocating in favor of racist policies. I mean, you have some KKK guys and other wackjobs. But as far as mainstream conservative politicians - nothing at all.


I honestly thought my example of gay marriage was sufficient to explain the link I made. Now, concerning racism, all of the conservative objection to equal rights for minorities should also be sufficient. As for recent examples, I'm sure there are many. One that comes to mind was when fox news ran a report that black people couldn't swim? You can google fox and racism in the same header, and I'm sure you'll get tons of hits.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby kiryan » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:32 pm

news flash, you call it hipocrisy when you treat one situation different than the other.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:38 pm

Sarvis wrote:
kiryan wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/13/now-endorses-brown-wants-_n_761987.html

This is Brown's public excuse for not firing the staffer. Which makes you wonder is NOW releveant anymore given its whoring itself to Brown. The use of "hate" speech against women is apparently mollified by their position that Brown is more friendly to their immediate agenda.



Yes, it's called reality. Sometimes you have to put up with someone you don't really like because they are better for you in the long run. It's like being polite to your boss, even if you overhear him calling you a jackass, so that you get a good raise and a promotion.

It's called choosing your battles.


Other things it's called:

* being a political shill
* inappropriate bias against the stated mission of your organization that you use to solicit donations
* immoral, incorrect, and just plain terrible
* being a political whore
* bad
* worse
* everything that's wrong with America
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Sarvis » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:45 pm

Newsflash: Your bias against anything not spouted by Rush Limbaugh is so pronounced you can't even remotely assess a situation logically. You are filled with hatred and abject terror like a good little Christian.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:48 pm

Ragorn wrote:
kiryan wrote:You know Sarvis, my mom would work the docks to give me anything I needed or that she thought I needed.

My mom is a better person than you or I will ever be. Congratulations, you insulted a great woman you don't even know who didn't deserve it.

Just like you did with Meg Whitman.

You should be fucking ASHAMED of yourself.

When/where did Kiryan call Meg Whitman a whore?
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby kiryan » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:28 pm

Sarvis wrote:Newsflash: Your bias against anything not spouted by Rush Limbaugh is so pronounced you can't even remotely assess a situation logically. You are filled with hatred and abject terror like a good little Christian.


Funny today was the first time I caught a Rush Limbaugh episode in at least a month.

He did have a great point to make today.

When the mine collapsed in the US, Obama held a press conference and demonized big coal and the lax regulatory oversight during the Bush years. We've yet to hear any bitching from the president of Chile. No shut downs of all mining in the country, no pledges of over reaching, over burdensome regulations. I'd almost say he was happy that private corporations and US capitalistic ingenuiety worked their asses off and rescued those miners.

Now who does our president sound more like, Chile or Venzuela's Hugo Chavez? Looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, its a socialist dictator who blames capitalism for the world's woes and gives them no credit for 200 years of unperiled living standards.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby kiryan » Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:44 pm

Even more liberal hipocrisy

http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1 ... behar.html

Two of the women on "the view" stand up and make aggressive gestures towards OReilly who is sitting down, then stomp off the set to the applause of the audience to demonstrate for everyone exactly how civil liberals are and proper behavior and discourse in our nation.

The only shining light here was barbara walters calling them out and saying this

“You have just seen what should not happen,” Walters said when the two women had gone. “We should be able to have discussions without washing our hands and screaming and walking off stage. I love my colleagues, but it should not have happened. Now let me just say to you in a calmer voice, it was extremists, you cannot take a whole religion and demean them,” Walters said to O’Reilly.

Then asking forcefully for and receiving oreilly's to apology and restatment.

Now imagine if it was 4 men badgering a woman like this? OMFG the world would end and everyone in the USA would know.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby kiryan » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:15 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/14/chile

follow up to the chile vs obama thing

The Chilean president, Sebastián Piñera, has promised the rescued 33 miners that their experiences would help to improve working conditions for their colleagues in mines across the country.

Obama's version.

government failed to regulate which is bush's fault
mining companies greed caused this
now we're going to strangle the industry to make sure this never happens again.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby teflor the ranger » Thu Oct 14, 2010 7:55 pm

Sarvis wrote:Newsflash: Your bias against anything not spouted by Rush Limbaugh is so pronounced you can't even remotely assess a situation logically. You are filled with hatred and abject terror like a good little Christian.

The last Limbaugh I caught was on that Family Guy episode. It was only ok.
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Re: more liberal hipocrisy

Postby Adriorn Darkcloak » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:34 pm

Kifle:

While I agree in part with what you're saying, I think there's something missing. When Franco died in Spain, after many years as Dictator, the country has since gone through a huge far, far left transformation. It was due IN PART to years of far right forced down. But, there are many liberal people living there who agree that those years were bad for the left, and they don't like Franco. But that's as far as they got. The got over it, and moved on. I think the majority of all those NOW, BET, LGBT wackos did/do it for personal reasons, be it revenge, work-free money, getting what they wanted, etc. I.e. spoiled brats. There are many strong women, blacks, and gays who do not belong or subscribe to the crap that are those groups. They got over it, and moved on.

If I punish my child every time he says a bad word, and then years later he makes it a point (consciously or unconsciously) of using foul language, the fault does not lie with my punishing him. The fault lies with him not learning, being to proud to admit he was wrong, and/or not wanting to grow up. "Pride" and "Grow up" being the key phrases behind this I think.

I think that's what your argument is missing, and what I think those people chose not to do, regardless of which direction the political philosophy of oppression leaned. The immature human response is to choose unbridled personal freedom and lack of responsibility, instead of humility and maturity.
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