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Postby kiryan » Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:39 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/10/1 ... latestnews

But, O’Connor was denied the refill because she did not have enough money to pay for the prescription. The medicine cost just over $21, and the couple was short $1.99.

"I had exactly a $20 bill. It came to $21 and change," said O’Connor’s boyfriend, Jack Brown. "I offered him my cell phone, my wallet. I said, ‘I live right around the corner.’ I come in here all the time."

Brown begged the pharmacist to give his girlfriend the inhaler, as she was on the floor wheezing, but the pharmacist would not give in, he said.

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simply outrageous, Hugo Obama Chavez would never let something like this happen, he'd demand that private busisnesses give away medicine for free or nationalize them!

side note, without tax, I bet he would've had enough money! (assuming you pay sales tax on pharmecuticals I don't know because I try to stay out of states with sales taxes).
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Re: outrageous

Postby Sarvis » Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:54 pm

Frankly, had I been there I would have given him money out of my pocket. But when you advocate the stance that greed is the most important "virtue" this is what you get. Medical practicioners that care more about $2 than about someone's life.
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Re: outrageous

Postby Kifle » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:06 pm

If she had died, I wonder if he would have been charged with manslaughter. Also, isn't there some oath out there that would have pushed him to give the medicine to use for the time being since it was an emergency.

Think about this. Why didn't he just give them the inhaler in exchange for the $20 and then taken it back once she was OK? I'm sure a few puffs off the inhaler wouldn't have equaled $20...
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Re: outrageous

Postby Sarvis » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:27 pm

Because all he cared about was the money, not the patient. That's the problem. That's the problem with your entire way of thinking.
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Re: outrageous

Postby kiryan 2.0 » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:42 pm

Man I use to make the weakest names for threads back in the day huh.
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Re: outrageous

Postby kiryan » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:56 pm

NEWS FLASH: the product, the inhaler he was selling did not belong to him. The pharmacist did not have the legal authority to give it away.

additionally, this is undoubtedly a controlled substance since it had to be gotten from a pharmacist. Pharmacist would be risking his licensure and his entire livliehood and possibly his employer's livliehood by dispensing inappropriately.

Lastly, if he had dispensed it and something had happened he would undoutbtedly been sued for failing to follow the rules. The fact that he thought he was doing the right thing does not matter much in the court room.

For example, a number of doctors testified that this guy I read about who performed a tracheotomy undeniably saved a woman's life, if he had not performed the operation at the time he did it she would've died. She did not dispute that she would be dead, but she still sued and won because he was not a medical professional, was not licensed or trained to perform the procedure etc... He did the right thing but the law cares only about the legal thing.

I don't see how you can blame the Pharmacist for doing the legal thing or villify the business.

Also you damn bleeding hearts. Where is the personal responsibiltiy in this story? If you have asthma and a prescription, why don't you have your inhaler? You had time to call a EMT buddy, but you couldn't go out into the street and beg for $2? If I went somewhere without my son's EPI pen (for extreme allergic reations) and he died, someone would put my ass in a sling and offer me 0 sympathy. Here you want to demonize an innoncent 3rd party for the irresponsibility of this couple.
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Re: outrageous

Postby Sarvis » Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:04 pm

Bullshit. The pharmacist could have, at the very least, reached into his own pocket and lent the couple $2. Then they could have bought the inhaler fully within the rules.
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Re: outrageous

Postby Corth » Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:35 am

Bad judgment by the pharmacist. She had a perscription so it wouldn't be like he is dispensing a controlled substance inappropriately. I'm sure the pharmacist hears plenty of sob stories - and at some point you have to draw the line, it's a business. But I'm with Sarvis on this one. It was a medical emergency in progress, and the only thing between life and possible death was $1.99. If I was there I would have pulled a couple bucks out of my pocket. The pharmacist should have too.
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Re: outrageous

Postby teflor the ranger » Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:29 am

Are you kidding me? This isn't about greed, $2, or government.

A man died in a VA hospital because they weren't sure if they could help someone if they weren't a veteran. Was that about greed or money or government?

The answer is no. This is stupid, and the only thing that's even more stupid is the wild-ass speculation without the facts by all of you in this thread.
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Re: outrageous

Postby Kifle » Sat Oct 16, 2010 3:06 pm

Corth wrote:Bad judgment by the pharmacist. She had a perscription so it wouldn't be like he is dispensing a controlled substance inappropriately. I'm sure the pharmacist hears plenty of sob stories - and at some point you have to draw the line, it's a business. But I'm with Sarvis on this one. It was a medical emergency in progress, and the only thing between life and possible death was $1.99. If I was there I would have pulled a couple bucks out of my pocket. The pharmacist should have too.


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Re: outrageous

Postby Sarvis » Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:32 am

teflor the ranger wrote:Are you kidding me? This isn't about greed, $2, or government.

A man died in a VA hospital because they weren't sure if they could help someone if they weren't a veteran. Was that about greed or money or government?

The answer is no. This is stupid, and the only thing that's even more stupid is the wild-ass speculation without the facts by all of you in this thread.



So the VA hospital wasn't sure they'd get paid, so they didn't treat the patient. That's not greed how?
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Re: outrageous

Postby teflor the ranger » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:19 am

That's not what the VA hospital was concerned about. Please reference the part where I said something about wild-ass speculation without the facts.
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Re: outrageous

Postby Sarvis » Sun Oct 17, 2010 5:40 am

Then present the facts. It's your argument. I call bullshit on the VA hospital not being concerned with money. We're talking about Americans here, after all.
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Re: outrageous

Postby Ragorn » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:28 pm

[quote="kiryan"simply outrageous, Hugo Obama Chavez would never let something like this happen, he'd demand that private busisnesses give away medicine for free or nationalize them!

side note, without tax, I bet he would've had enough money! (assuming you pay sales tax on pharmecuticals I don't know because I try to stay out of states with sales taxes).[/quote]
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Re: outrageous

Postby kiryan » Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:50 pm

thanks for the giggle ragorn.

obama and hugo chavez call plays out of the same playbook.
1. demonize the private sector
2. take demands on businesses to a whole new level of bullying
3. retaliate when business disobeys through media attacks, onerous regulation and theft through taxes

Now compare Bush and Mao.
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Re: outrageous

Postby Ragorn » Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:22 pm

kiryan wrote:thanks for the giggle ragorn.

obama and hugo chavez call plays out of the same playbook.
1. demonize the private sector
2. take demands on businesses to a whole new level of bullying
3. retaliate when business disobeys through media attacks, onerous regulation and theft through taxes

Now compare Bush and Mao.

Oh, that's easy.

1. Government surveillance of his own citizens
2. Unilaterally initiated offensive military campaigns against the mandate of the UN
3. Persecuted those who criticized his administration as traitors and anti-patriots (the Hundred Flowers Campaign)

I don't even have to resort to hyperbole to make that comparison... nor do I need to make sweeping statements like "demonizing" or "retaliating". Hell, I can point out specific examples for you to reference if you like :)
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