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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:57 pm

Corth wrote:And while I'm dropping links.. Found a pretty impressive collection of recent acts of left wing violence and hate:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/th ... 2000-2010/


Maybe you can point out the violence there, as well as the rhetoric spewed by party leaders telling constituents to be violent and consider killing politicians.

Because I didn't really see a whole lot more than hurled insults, and if calling Palin stupid is what conservatives consider "violence" then... well... I just don't know what to say.

Besides, we all know America is a peaceful culture and no one here could be violent right?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:11 pm

--wow, that 2nd link is insane. I had no idea. Really Ragorn, I think you need to look at your kind before you get all up in arms over conservative crazies.

All the palin hate... really what is that all based on? She's a strong woman who suceeeded in a male dominated industry and she is hated so bad for not being like liberal strong female role models.

--Here's a quote from one of them that I think pretty much sums up the liberal position.

This is because on the Left there is a presumption of good intentions even by fellow-traveling terrorists. As left-wing talk radio host Thom Hartmann told me last year: "My left-wing crazies are better than your right-wing crazies."

Hartmann explained: "Your right-wing crazies are incited to violence based on fear and hate of people because of whom they are, because they're gay, because they're Catholic, because they're Jewish, because they're black, because they're Hispanic. And our left-wing crazies are incited to violence because they're trying to create a better world. They're trying to save the environment in the case of the eco-terrorists. They're trying to end the Vietnam War in the case of the Weather Underground. They're trying to bring about civil rights in the case of the Symbionese Liberation Army and some of the other black terrorist groups that were operating in the 1970s."

To the Left, violent acts aimed at desirable ends are worthy of praise, especially if aimed at the other side. Internationally known Marxist author Naomi Klein has praised the riots that took place during the 1999 World Trade Organization meeting in Seattle and openly called for violence at the 2004 Republican convention, urging protesters to bring the Iraq War to the streets of New York City. The Canadian writer wasn't ostracized by the Left after her outrageous statement; if anything, her public stature has only grown since 2004.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Corth » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:13 pm

Sarvis,

You didn't hear Obama's "bring a gun to the fight" comment? I posted it in this thread. :) It's just about as violent as Sarah Palin's gun sight - which mean's it isn't violent at all.

I've been asking the same damned question about leaders on the right and the only answer I get is a failed tea party senate candidate (BTW - Ragorn, you were right on that one). The examples of violence and hate in that link are basically akin to the pictures of fringe idiots on the right that Ragorn often posts.
Having said all that, the situation has been handled, so this thread is pretty much at an end. -Kossuth

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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:16 pm

kiryan wrote:--wow, that 2nd link is insane. I had no idea. All the palin hate... really what is that all based on? She's a strong woman who suceeeded in a male dominated industry and she is hated so bad for not being like liberal strong female role models.



Be honest Kiryan, what do you think really qualified Palin to potentially be President of the United States? Do you honestly think that she got the VP spot because "She's a strong woman who suceeeded in a male dominated industry."

I call bullshit.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:29 pm

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Congratulations on your blind obedience/faith in the liberal media to determine what is acceptable.

Feel free to repost for the people who are letting their ignor...e blind them. For those calling the marks on Sarah's map "gunsights" have clearly never looked down the barrel of .. a gun.

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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:48 pm

Corth wrote:Sarvis,

You didn't hear Obama's "bring a gun to the fight" comment? I posted it in this thread. :) It's just about as violent as Sarah Palin's gun sight - which mean's it isn't violent at all.

I've been asking the same damned question about leaders on the right and the only answer I get is a failed tea party senate candidate (BTW - Ragorn, you were right on that one). The examples of violence and hate in that link are basically akin to the pictures of fringe idiots on the right that Ragorn often posts.


fuk that Corth, Sarvis, you don't remember Obama's "WE need to PUNISH our ENEMIES" comment while speaking to Latinos?

So who is responsible for this? The party that is in power, talks about punishing their enemies, has called numerous industries "evil" over the past 2 years, or the party that has risen up to defend itself?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Wed Jan 12, 2011 8:56 pm

Blaming Palin or blaming anyone else is like blaming Marilyn Manson for columbine. If your gonna blame this on anyone blame it on the state of the mental help that is available to this person who was scitzo (sp). Perhaps if he had been able go get helped for this or if his family was able to comit him before he hurt someone all of this could have been avoided. It'd retarded all the political mudslinging and blaming that is going on. Because of this. Quit trying to use this as a political tool!
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Corth » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:04 pm

Voice of reason right there.
Having said all that, the situation has been handled, so this thread is pretty much at an end. -Kossuth



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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:06 pm

The blame needs to go on the parents.

Having a kid is not just giving them a name and getting to claim another deduction, its a responsibility.

Also, glad you feel that way, but Democrats started this fight by making rash accusations in media and on the national stage. They made it political.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Botef » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:29 pm

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... hp?ref=fpb

He must have been pretty far out there if even the ATS crowd, who believe in things like reptilians and Planet X, questioned his mental health.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:57 pm

Wow, elistist much?

You have to have qualifications to be president of the USA? A common man can't possibly govern? We could use more common people in government and kick out the political elite, the ruling class, the dynasties... whatever you want to call them. (Bush family boasats 3 governors and 2 presidents? Kennedys, Clintons etc...)

I like Sarah Palin. I think she has courage. I think she shares many of my same values.

I do think she was picked because she was a woman and very conservative but very outspoken and strong. It was supposed to give Obama a run for his money on the woman vote I think. Epic fail for whatever reason, but I thought it was a genius pick at the time.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:03 pm

This is a link off the list Corth posted.

http://www.cultureandmedia.com/articles ... 80134.aspx

Playboy magazine writer Guy Cimbalo released his list of top ten conservative women against whom he’d like to commit violent sexual acts last June. Calling these acts a “hate f---” in his “So Right It’s Wrong” article, Cimbalo explained that he “might despise everything” about women like Michelle Malkin, Fox News’s Megyn Kelly, “The View’s” Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Mary Katherine Ham and Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann, “but g--dammit, they’re hot!”

IMAGINE THE OUTRAGE from Liberal organizations had this been a conservative magazine posting about "hate fucking" liberal women.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:07 pm

I'm noticing a trend in this thread that I'm not surprised by... the trend for Republicans to do two things when they get called out:

1) Try to assert that the offenders are "crazies" or "fundamentalists" or "extremists" and not well-supported people of their party. This is the same excuse that Christians often give when I point out that a lot of Christians are royal assholes. I call it the "He's not a REAL Christian" defense. You may not personally agree with the violent rhetoric of the Tea Party, but the Republican Party in America agrees with them enough to put their candidates on the ballot for several major House and Senate races. I'm sorry, but the Tea Party IS part of the Republican mainstream. If you want to maintain distance from the "Tea Party crazies," then maybe you need to put some distance between yourself and the contemporary Republican Party. Have you considered voting Democratic? :)

2) Pass the buck. Post a link to something some liberal said fifty years ago. Show a picture gallery of "liberal behavior" collected by a far-right conservative attention whore, a person you just got done calling a "fringe extremist." Crank up the b-b-b-but Libruls! Nevermind that conservatives are the gun-toting cowboys who threaten to bring their guns into public libraries. Nevermind that conseratives can't get enough of calling liberals "pacifist pussies" when we oppose their wars. Nevermind all the macho ball-grabbing that conservatives do when they think that "Obama's gonna take their guns." A Democratic politican get shot in the face, and suddenly conservatives are all deeply concerned about the violent rhetoric being spewed by the liberals. Suddenly, it's a bi-partisan problem, and Obama should take the lead in making sure that the Republicans don't get unfairly blamed. Suddenly, all those draft-dodging gun-fearing dirt-worshipping pussy hippie fucks are just as responsible for the culture of violence as the NRA-associated Texan who wants to make sure we all know that he's going to bring his shotgun to the next political rally. It's a well-worn page in the Republican playbook to act reprehensibly and then try to assert that it's really the Democrats who are doing it. Like trying to accuse pro-Obama voters of being racist against white people... you guys crack me up :)

The American public isn't fooled by all the doey-eyed smoke and mirrors your party is trying to pull this week. You may think you've done a good job finding reasonable excuses for your party's behavior, but nobody's actually buying it. What needs to happen is, Republican leadership needs to distance the conservative base from the Tea Party. You can't blame Obama, you can't blame socialism, you can't blame high tax rates or Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or universal health care or Democrats in 1962. You loved it when Tea Party members shouted down Democrats at town hall meetings. You giggled when they threatened us liberal pussies with their second amendment rights. You've spent the last two years making your bed. I hope it's comfortable, because you're lying in it right now.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:10 pm

Ragorn wrote:The American public isn't fooled by all the doey-eyed smoke and mirrors your party is trying to pull this week.



You sure about that?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:16 pm

Sarvis wrote:
Ragorn wrote:The American public isn't fooled by all the doey-eyed smoke and mirrors your party is trying to pull this week.

You sure about that?

You should have a look at Twitter today. Real Americans are laughing at Sarah Palin and the entire Republican party for, among other things:

1) Claiming that Sarah Palin's gunsight map was really surveyor's sights.
2) Claiming that the discourse in the country is approaching anything even close to "blood libel."
3) That Sarah Palin would have the stones to use that term in the first place, considering its origin and connotation.
4) That House Republicans want Obama to tell the country to stop blaming the Republicans for something that is their fault.
5) That Glenn Beck's message against violence was published on a webpage where the background image is Glenn brandishing a firearm.

The list goes on. When you turn off Fox News and listen to what Real Americans are saying, the message is clear.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:17 pm

Sarvis wrote:
Corth wrote:And while I'm dropping links.. Found a pretty impressive collection of recent acts of left wing violence and hate:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/th ... 2000-2010/


Maybe you can point out the violence there, as well as the rhetoric spewed by party leaders telling constituents to be violent and consider killing politicians.

Because I didn't really see a whole lot more than hurled insults, and if calling Palin stupid is what conservatives consider "violence" then... well... I just don't know what to say.

Besides, we all know America is a peaceful culture and no one here could be violent right?


You are such a dipshit I don't know why I even respond. No violence in that link huh, you didn't do more than barely look at it, but here you go, directly from that link.

Anti-Prop. 8 radicals stomp on elderly Prop. 8 supporter’s cross:

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/01/05/an ... vandalism/

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/11/02/un ... ack-bitch/

Left-wing mob illegally trespasses and breaks into a home in Baltimore in the name of “social justice”…


Animal rights’ terrorists have firebombed researchers’ homes and Molotov cocktail-bombed their cars and been convicted of inciting threats, harassment, and vandalism against employees of a private company engaged in animal research.

Flashback — August 2010…An open-borders activist smacks a man with a camera covering the Arizona state capitol protest over SB 1070…

They came, they saw, they threatened or committed violence in the name of open borders and workers’ rights. But alas, Frank Rich and Paul Krugman’s columns decrying the insane rage and hate of the May Day angry mob got lost in the mail.

In Santa Cruz, they carried torches and vandalized at least 18 businesses:

January 20, 2005. At Seattle Central Community College, Army recruiter Sgt. Jeff Due and his colleague, Sgt. 1st Class Douglas Washington were surrounded by an angry mob of 500 anti-war students. The recruiters’ table was destroyed; their handouts torn apart. The protesters threw water bottles and newspapers at the soldiers, shouted profanities, and wielded their fists. The far Left Students Against War had been agitating to kick the recruiters off campus. The college administration refused to punish the mobsters.

Feb. 1, 2005. At a South Toledo, Ohio recruitment center, unhinged protesters hurled manure all over the building. They broke windows and sprayed vulgar grafitti — “War is Shit” — on office property. An e-mail sent to local TV station WTOL-TV by a group calling itself, yes, “War is Shit,” claimed responsibility for the property destruction. The crapweasels were never caught. WTOL reported:

…April 2006. The infamous UC Santa Cruz ambush on military recruiters takes place. The thugs gloated about throwing a rock at the recruiters’ SUV. Recruiters, who had been similarly driven off campus the previous year, reported slashed tires. One employee at the career center was injured in the melee. Photos here. The capitulationist campus administration had known in advance about the ambush plans and did nothing. Instead of condemning the speech-stifling lawlessness of the anti-war mob, unhinged sympathizers attacked me for publishing the public contact information of the thugs’ propaganda officers and also outrageoulsy blamed me for the subsequent suicide of the troubled UC Santa Cruz president, Denice Denton. They continue to lie about what happened.

And in Lufkin, TX, , Army and Navy recruiters were the targets of vandals who keyed their cars, smashed their windows, and shot at their vehicles with “with what appeared to be a high-powered pellet gun.”


-- and linked to from that link --

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/ChrisField ... n_thwarted

The FBI sent Darby to meet with anarchists who were developing their plan at a bookstore in Austin.

"It was a group of people whose explicit purpose was to organize a group of ‘black bloc' anarchists to shut the Republican convention down by any means necessary," he explained. "They showed videos of people throwing Molotov cocktails, and they were giving people ideas." ...

During a search of a residence, police found gas masks, slingshots, helmets, knee pads and eight Molotov cocktails consisting of bottles filled with gasoline with attached wicks made from tampons.


http://michellemalkin.com/2010/09/03/bi ... -violence/

Trumka warmed up his rhetorical muscles this past week with full-frontal attacks on former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. He indignantly accused her of “getting close to calling for violence” and suggested that her criticism of Tea Party-bashing labor bosses amounted to “terrorizing” workers.


Meet Eddie York. He was a workingman whose story will never scroll across Obama’s teleprompter. A nonunion contractor who operated heavy equipment, York was shot to death during a strike called by the United Mine Workers 17 years ago. Workmates who tried to come to his rescue were beaten in an ensuing melee. The head of the UMW spearheading the wave of strikes at that time? Richard Trumka. Responding to concerns about violence, he shrugged to the Virginian-Pilot in September 1993: “I’m saying if you strike a match and you put your finger in it, you’re likely to get burned.” Incendiary rhetoric, anyone?

In Illinois, Trumka told UMW members to “kick the s**t out of every last” worker who crossed his picket lines, according to the Nashville (Ill.) News. And as the National Right to Work Foundation (pdf), the leading anti-forced unionism organization in the country, pointed out, other UMW coalfield strikes resulted in what one judge determined were “violent activities … organized, orchestrated and encouraged by the leadership of this union.”

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/12/13/to ... lors-home/

The crowd, including a man taken into custody in a university protest a day earlier, chanted, “No justice, no peace,” and began smashing planters, windows and lights. Several hurled their torches at the building, said campus spokesman Dan Mogulof.

Birgeneau was sleeping at the time and was awakened by his wife, Mary Catherine, Mogulof said. They were frightened, but unharmed, he said.

“These are criminals, not activists,” Birgeneau said in a statement issued Saturday morning. “The attack at our home was extraordinarily frightening and violent. My wife and I genuinely feared for our lives.”

random line in that article: "Left-wing SEIU mob beats black conservative …" REMEMBER THAT?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:18 pm

Wait, I'm confused. Is Michelle Malkin a representative of the Republican party, or is she a fringe crazy who doesn't represent the True Values(tm) of the conservative movement?

I need clarification on this... because I'm about to quote you clear off the god damn internet if you want to use Malkin as a voice of reason.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:23 pm

Ragorn wrote:I'm noticing a trend in this thread that I'm not surprised by... the trend for Republicans to do two things when they get called out:

1) Try to assert that the offenders are "crazies" or "fundamentalists" or "extremists" and not well-supported people of their party. This is the same excuse that Christians often give when I point out that a lot of Christians are royal assholes. I call it the "He's not a REAL Christian" defense. You may not personally agree with the violent rhetoric of the Tea Party, but the Republican Party in America agrees with them enough to put their candidates on the ballot for several major House and Senate races. I'm sorry, but the Tea Party IS part of the Republican mainstream. If you want to maintain distance from the "Tea Party crazies," then maybe you need to put some distance between yourself and the contemporary Republican Party. Have you considered voting Democratic? :)


Which part of this guy was not a conservative did you not understand? Which part of this guy did not watch the news, listen to talk radio did you not understand? THE LEFT IS SAYING THIS GUY WAS PART OF THE RIGHT, BUT HE ISNT. Thats the problem here, HE IS NOT PART OF THE RIGHT, yet you do exactly what liberals tend to do, tell a story that sounds good even if it isn't true. BUSH WENT TO WAR OVER OIL.

Ragorn wrote:2) Pass the buck. Post a link to something some liberal said fifty years ago. Show a picture gallery of "liberal behavior" collected by a far-right conservative attention whore, a person you just got done calling a "fringe extremist." Crank up the b-b-b-but Libruls! Nevermind that conservatives are the gun-toting cowboys who threaten to bring their guns into public libraries. Nevermind that conseratives can't get enough of calling liberals "pacifist pussies" when we oppose their wars. Nevermind all the macho ball-grabbing that conservatives do when they think that "Obama's gonna take their guns." A Democratic politican get shot in the face, and suddenly conservatives are all deeply concerned about the violent rhetoric being spewed by the liberals. Suddenly, it's a bi-partisan problem, and Obama should take the lead in making sure that the Republicans don't get unfairly blamed. Suddenly, all those draft-dodging gun-fearing dirt-worshipping pussy hippie fucks are just as responsible for the culture of violence as the NRA-associated Texan who wants to make sure we all know that he's going to bring his shotgun to the next political rally. It's a well-worn page in the Republican playbook to act reprehensibly and then try to assert that it's really the Democrats who are doing it. Like trying to accuse pro-Obama voters of being racist against white people... you guys crack me up :)


The link Corth posted is not from 50 years ago, its mostly from the past 4, and with a large section on the anti military for the past 10.

Ragorn wrote:The American public isn't fooled by all the doey-eyed smoke and mirrors your party is trying to pull this week. You may think you've done a good job finding reasonable excuses for your party's behavior, but nobody's actually buying it. What needs to happen is, Republican leadership needs to distance the conservative base from the Tea Party. You can't blame Obama, you can't blame socialism, you can't blame high tax rates or Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or universal health care or Democrats in 1962. You loved it when Tea Party members shouted down Democrats at town hall meetings. You giggled when they threatened us liberal pussies with their second amendment rights. You've spent the last two years making your bed. I hope it's comfortable, because you're lying in it right now.


Nobody is buying it heh. last time I checked you got your ASS kicked in the election 2 months ago. They are buying it... because its true. You're the one with your head in the sand.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:17 pm

kiryan wrote:The blame needs to go on the parents.

Having a kid is not just giving them a name and getting to claim another deduction, its a responsibility.

Also, glad you feel that way, but Democrats started this fight by making rash accusations in media and on the national stage. They made it political.



Do you honestly think that if the rolls werent reversed that a republican wouldn't have said the Same things? Both parties are screwed up, always looking to make the other look bad and fail to take any real oppurtunity to make things better, to deal with the issues that are at the heart of the matter, they spend more time name calling and blaming than they do actually dealing with issues. I'd love to see what could be accomplished if they quit the jr highschool fighting and deal with the problems that face your country, all I gotta say is thank god I'm canadian.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ashiwi » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:14 am

I actually heard what you were trying to say in the first post Ragorn, and for the most part I agree. The stuff that's been coming out of the mouths of our leaders has been out of line to an extreme since Obama got into office. You could have gotten your point across a little better, perhaps, if you had kept it nonpartisan, though. I've been scolding both my Republican and my Democrat friends for propagating hatespeak against the other side, and while I admit there's been more from one side than the other in recent years, both sides are still to blame.

Both sides have been guilty. Both sides need to remember the golden rule. Just because the side you don't belong to, no matter which side that is, doesn't treat you with dignity and respect, doesn't mean you have to sink to their level.

Look at this thread, for example. You guys just love to fight and treat each other poorly. It's like you use each other as emotional punching bags, venting your frustrations and anger in arguments that escalate to the point of being completely unreasonable and filled with spite. In a thread about toning down the anger and hurtful words. Is there ever a point where you guys step back and wonder why you contribute so much to this miasma of negativity?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:21 pm

Ashiwi wrote:I actually heard what you were trying to say in the first post Ragorn, and for the most part I agree. The stuff that's been coming out of the mouths of our leaders has been out of line to an extreme since Obama got into office. You could have gotten your point across a little better, perhaps, if you had kept it nonpartisan, though. I've been scolding both my Republican and my Democrat friends for propagating hatespeak against the other side, and while I admit there's been more from one side than the other in recent years, both sides are still to blame.

Both sides have been guilty. Both sides need to remember the golden rule. Just because the side you don't belong to, no matter which side that is, doesn't treat you with dignity and respect, doesn't mean you have to sink to their level.

Look at this thread, for example. You guys just love to fight and treat each other poorly. It's like you use each other as emotional punching bags, venting your frustrations and anger in arguments that escalate to the point of being completely unreasonable and filled with spite. In a thread about toning down the anger and hurtful words. Is there ever a point where you guys step back and wonder why you contribute so much to this miasma of negativity?

This is just a troll thread, Ashiwi. I posted it so kiryan could get nice and worked up about the fact that conservatives are being blamed for the shooting. There's a kernel of truth behind the idea that the Tea Party's rhetoric has been violent and incendiary for the past couple of years, but the whole point of this particular thread is just to get everyone a little red-faced.

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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:36 pm

Now, let's get back to the trolling. Arizona GOP official resigns, citing "Tea Party threats." Says, "I love the Republican party, but I don't want to take a bullet for anyone."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/1 ... 08116.html

So help me understand... whose fault is this? Is this the fault of liberal groups who protested the Vietnam War back in the 60s? Is this Obama's fault, for not condemning the shooter quickly enough? Or do these threats just come from wacko extremists who "don't represent conservative values?" Where's the buck going to get passed this time? Quick, someone link me to a blog post on Glenn Beck's site where he quotes a liberal saying something nasty, to remind us that both sides are bad!
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Thu Jan 13, 2011 3:40 pm

Ooh, ooh, I've got one more.

Awww... poor Sarah Palin. Her political party is being blamed for the behavior of a small group of extremists. Perhaps she can ask a Muslim how best to deal with that kind of criticism.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:09 pm

amena wolfsnarl wrote:
kiryan wrote:The blame needs to go on the parents.

Having a kid is not just giving them a name and getting to claim another deduction, its a responsibility.

Also, glad you feel that way, but Democrats started this fight by making rash accusations in media and on the national stage. They made it political.



Do you honestly think that if the rolls werent reversed that a republican wouldn't have said the Same things? Both parties are screwed up, always looking to make the other look bad and fail to take any real oppurtunity to make things better, to deal with the issues that are at the heart of the matter, they spend more time name calling and blaming than they do actually dealing with issues. I'd love to see what could be accomplished if they quit the jr highschool fighting and deal with the problems that face your country, all I gotta say is thank god I'm canadian.


I don't know, but your argument amounts to we'll they would've done the same thing while the Fact is, Democrats and Liberals DID ACTUALLY DO IT.

Take responsibility for it and maybe we'll start to heal the wounds.

And when they got called on it, they jump to their 2nd favorite defense, how Palin made this all about her. ROFL, right because she came out without any facts and reported that it was a right wing crazy and we need to tone down the vitriol in political discourse (a thinly veiled dig at people like Palin).
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:11 pm

Ashiwi wrote:I actually heard what you were trying to say in the first post Ragorn, and for the most part I agree. The stuff that's been coming out of the mouths of our leaders has been out of line to an extreme since Obama got into office. You could have gotten your point across a little better, perhaps, if you had kept it nonpartisan, though. I've been scolding both my Republican and my Democrat friends for propagating hatespeak against the other side, and while I admit there's been more from one side than the other in recent years, both sides are still to blame.


In recent years, you mean 2003-2008 with all the anti bush anti cheney anti war rhetoric? Look at that 2nd link from Corth's post. The violence and action the left engaged in does not compare to the relatively peaceful actions of the right regarding healthcare.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:57 pm

Ragorn wrote:Wait, I'm confused. Is Michelle Malkin a representative of the Republican party, or is she a fringe crazy who doesn't represent the True Values(tm) of the conservative movement?

I need clarification on this... because I'm about to quote you clear off the god damn internet if you want to use Malkin as a voice of reason.

Sorry, how does Michelle Malkin recalling a factual event have anything to do with what her credentials are?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Sarvis » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:06 pm

So no one's going to deal with the Tea Party now controlling who's in office through threats of violence?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:07 pm

Ragorn wrote:Ooh, ooh, I've got one more.

Awww... poor Sarah Palin. Her political party is being blamed for the behavior of a small group of extremists. Perhaps she can ask a Muslim how best to deal with that kind of criticism.


LOL, right a small group of 11 muslims is causing the criticism they deal with. Not the tens of thousands or more pakistani's celebrating the murder of a "moderate" politician.

or the palestinian mother of a 4 month old who is taking the charity of the Israeli state to save her son's life... so in her own words, “From the smallest infant, even smaller than Mohammed, to the oldest person, we will all sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem” aka, I want my son to grow up to be a suicide bomber.

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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:36 pm

Teflor Lyorian wrote:
Ragorn wrote:Wait, I'm confused. Is Michelle Malkin a representative of the Republican party, or is she a fringe crazy who doesn't represent the True Values(tm) of the conservative movement?

I need clarification on this... because I'm about to quote you clear off the god damn internet if you want to use Malkin as a voice of reason.

Sorry, how does Michelle Malkin recalling a factual event have anything to do with what her credentials are?

Because every time I call out a vocal conservative pundit for being inflammatory, the response is "oh that person is just a fringe radical. She doesn't espouse the values of the REAL conservative movement." Does Michelle Malkin? Or are you content to quote her when you want to be trashy toward liberals, and then hand-wave her as a fringe pundit when I start bringing up all the stupid and asinine shit she's posted over the years?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ragorn » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:45 pm

LOL, right a small group of 11 muslims is causing the criticism they deal with. Not the tens of thousands or more pakistani's celebrating the murder of a "moderate" politician.

LOL, right a small group of fringe extremists is causing the criticism you deal with. Not the tens of thousands or more Republicans threatening to commit violence against the American government.

kiryan wrote:or the palestinian mother of a 4 month old who is taking the charity of the Israeli state to save her son's life... so in her own words, “From the smallest infant, even smaller than Mohammed, to the oldest person, we will all sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem” aka, I want my son to grow up to be a suicide bomber.

That's not violent rhetoric, kiryan. That's a passionate fundamentalist celebrating her peaceful religion's heritage.

I guess in your mind, when a Republican spokesperson says "If ballots don't work, maybe bullets will," she's just a fringe individual celebrating the founding fathers' vision for the necessity of the Second Amendment of the Constitution. And when a Muslim says "we will sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem"... oh wow, that's completely different. That's dangerous, violent rhetoric that underlies the instability of the entire mainstream Muslim religion.

You're a liar, a hypocrite, and a partisan shill. You're the first to condemn Muslims, and also the first to excuse Republicans, for the exact same act.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:52 pm

Ragorn wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:
Ragorn wrote:Wait, I'm confused. Is Michelle Malkin a representative of the Republican party, or is she a fringe crazy who doesn't represent the True Values(tm) of the conservative movement?

I need clarification on this... because I'm about to quote you clear off the god damn internet if you want to use Malkin as a voice of reason.

Sorry, how does Michelle Malkin recalling a factual event have anything to do with what her credentials are?

Because every time I call out a vocal conservative pundit for being inflammatory, the response is "oh that person is just a fringe radical. She doesn't espouse the values of the REAL conservative movement." Does Michelle Malkin? Or are you content to quote her when you want to be trashy toward liberals, and then hand-wave her as a fringe pundit when I start bringing up all the stupid and asinine shit she's posted over the years?

When someone is recalling a factual event, or stating something that actually happened, it doesn't matter who they are, you can use it. Kiryan's not quoting Malkin for her ideas. He's quoting her for the facts she is presenting. Not that it matters if he's quoting Malkin for her ideas. A good idea is a good idea no matter who puts it forth.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:10 pm

Ragorn wrote:
LOL, right a small group of 11 muslims is causing the criticism they deal with. Not the tens of thousands or more pakistani's celebrating the murder of a "moderate" politician.

LOL, right a small group of fringe extremists is causing the criticism you deal with. Not the tens of thousands or more Republicans threatening to commit violence against the American government.


SHOW me the hundreds of people celebrating the fact this guy shot Gifford. SHOW IT TO ME.

With your logic, are you ready to indict the tens of thousands of Democrats who threatened and did commit violence against the American government during the Bush years? I'm not seeing groups of Republicans attacking Army recruiting centers or groups of Democrat voting Hispanics trashing businesses.

As a matter of fact, I CAN SHOW YOU mainstream Democrats celebrating these acts of violence against the US government... explicitly and implicitly... now and 50 years ago.

Ragorn wrote:
kiryan wrote:or the palestinian mother of a 4 month old who is taking the charity of the Israeli state to save her son's life... so in her own words, “From the smallest infant, even smaller than Mohammed, to the oldest person, we will all sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem” aka, I want my son to grow up to be a suicide bomber.

That's not violent rhetoric, kiryan. That's a passionate fundamentalist celebrating her peaceful religion's heritage.

I guess in your mind, when a Republican spokesperson says "If ballots don't work, maybe bullets will," she's just a fringe individual celebrating the founding fathers' vision for the necessity of the Second Amendment of the Constitution. And when a Muslim says "we will sacrifice ourselves for the sake of Jerusalem"... oh wow, that's completely different. That's dangerous, violent rhetoric that underlies the instability of the entire mainstream Muslim religion.


No, those specific comments of Sharon Angle's are ridiculous and not supported by the mainstream GOP. Your fundamental problem is that you want to compare a fringe with a widely held belief. What happened in Pakistan is not fringe, its mainstream, its popular. What happened with Sharon Angle is not mainstream, she was defeated, and is not supported by the GOP leadership. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a significant # of GOP that literally believe that they should right now arm and fight the government. Your trying to call a molehill a mountain. There are ALOT of islamist extremists, there are SOME GOP and Democrat extremists. and your wishful apologetic feelings don't change that.

Ragorn wrote:You're a liar, a hypocrite, and a partisan shill. You're the first to condemn Muslims, and also the first to excuse Republicans, for the exact same act.


Maybe I'm a shill, if that is the case so be it. However, you are over simplying if you believe those are the "exact same act". For fucks sake man, its a 4 month old fucking baby and she wants him to grow up to be a suicide bomber. WHAT KIND OF PERSON SETS THAT GOAL FOR THEIR 4 MONTH OLD BABY? A person who condones violence and celebrates it... because her religion and culture commands it.

Quit fucking kidding yourself, its not the same and if it is, Democrats are no different.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:13 pm

Seriously, Sarvis, how can you take yourself seriously when you claim that only one "side" is responsible for the escalation of the tone of political speech in this country?

Are you joking? Or are you a joke?
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby kiryan » Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:44 pm

Teflor Lyorian wrote:Seriously, Sarvis, how can you take yourself seriously when you claim that only one "side" is responsible for the escalation of the tone of political speech in this country?

Are you joking? Or are you a joke?


Yea... especially after the anti war rhetoric and violence coming out of the left for the last decade.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:32 pm

Giffords is responsive and apparently partially conscious.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Sarvis » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:46 pm

kiryan wrote:
Teflor Lyorian wrote:Seriously, Sarvis, how can you take yourself seriously when you claim that only one "side" is responsible for the escalation of the tone of political speech in this country?

Are you joking? Or are you a joke?


Yea... especially after the anti war rhetoric and violence coming out of the left for the last decade.



Republicans just threatened a guy until he left office. How is that less violent than "anti-war rhetoric?" The "violence" in Corth's post mostly amounted to things like keyed cars. Republicans have bombed clinics.

But please, do go on...
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:52 pm

Sarvis wrote:Republicans just threatened a guy until he left office. How is that less violent than "anti-war rhetoric?" The "violence" in Corth's post mostly amounted to things like keyed cars. Republicans have bombed clinics.

But please, do go on...

A prime example of a blind, intellectually dishonest partisan. Not only are there plenty of leftist bombings, but tying a party of 80 million to the actions of a few is just downright stupid.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Ashiwi » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:06 am

Wow, you guys are beyond hope. I just want you to know that when Sarvis loses his nut and shoots up a strip joint, I WILL be on the news telling them how much you guys contributed to the carnage.
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:24 am

Lol, but Sarvis has me on ignore. Unless he's secretly opening my posts and reading them...
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Sarvis » Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:36 pm

Ashiwi wrote:Wow, you guys are beyond hope. I just want you to know that when Sarvis loses his nut and shoots up a strip joint, I WILL be on the news telling them how much you guys contributed to the carnage.



Not terribly likely to happen... especially since he's ignored now. :)
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Re: Congresswoman Giffords

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:52 pm

And yet, still talked about!
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