Apparently, Violence Didn't Exist Before Glenn Beck

[Teflor Lyorian]

The blatant smear campaign that attempts to blame conservative commentators for isolated events continues:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/2 ... 12268.html

Kennedy, Garfield, McKinley, Pope John Paul II, Regan, and Lincoln: clearly the fault of Glenn Beck and Fox News.

[kiryan]

They condemn Beck for calling this woman out when she is supporting violence. She is literally hoping and praying and providing a blueprint for protests across the US in the style of the recent European protests. You know like the one in Greece where 3 bank employees were killed when rioters through a moltov cocktail into the bank. Or the mob that attacked the royals and physically accosted Camille (Imagine someone in a mob laying hands on Rahm Emmanual or Biden.

This is Glenn's site and some comments followed by the article she wrote that specifically riled Beck up (she has a long activist history). Read it and tell me that if you believed these things you should shut up and "tone it down". Why is it "social justice" and righting wrongs when the left calls for violence and protests and to rise up and just hateful divisiveness or lunatic right wingers when the right does it? Thats what you should think about when you're done reading these. You should think about why ANGER is ok for the left, but is used to cast aspersions on the character of the Tea Party.

You should think about what the hipocrisy of the left callign for an end to violent rhetoric, attacking a conservative icon and defending an individual who encourages ANGER. If you listen to Glenn, I catch 30 minutes of his program about 1x a week, he's not calling for anger. Maybe he used to, I don't know, but he is calling for preparedness, charity and responsibility to your neighbors and the truth. This woman on the other hand is calling for violent street mobs that kill people and damage personal property as the mechanism of change.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances ... evolution/

In a chilling and almost unbelievable editorial again in The Nation (”Mobilizing the Jobless,” January 10/17, 2011 edition), she calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force. As before, those calls are dripping with language of class struggle. Language she and her late husband Richard Cloward made popular in the 60s.

(you know like Sarah Palin stirring up the ANGRY tea party movement)

Those are the questions that frame what can best be called a roadmap for revolution. And it’s not long before those questions give way to directions. The first instruction: get angry.

(again, like the tea partiers according to the liberal media)

An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece ... across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees

But violence has always been Piven’s preferred method of collapse. In 2004, she admitted as much, saying that violence is condoned as long as it is part of a grand plan:

(find it yourself if you want proof she said that)

===== THIS IS HER ARTICLE SOURCED DIRECTLY FROM WHERE IT WAS PUBLISHED =====

http://www.thenation.com/article/157292 ... ng-jobless

So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?

... (sounds like a call to violence to me) ...

They have to go from being hurt and ashamed to being angry and indignant. ... So, a kind of psychological transformation has to take place; the out-of-work have to stop blaming themselves for their hard times and turn their anger on the bosses, the bureaucrats or the politicians who are in fact responsible.

... (blame someone else for your problems. Isn't this how Hitler rose to power? Isn't class and race warfare something the GOP is being accused of?)

Third, protesters need targets, preferably local and accessible ones capable of making some kind of response to angry demands. ... Local protests have to accumulate and spread—and become more disruptive—to create serious pressures on national politicians. An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece ... or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees.

... (3 people were killed in Greece, 3 bank employees killed because the PEOPLE were rioting against government. Someone explain the connection to me between killing 3 tellers at Wells Fargo and being angry at the government?)...

... Protests by the unemployed led by young workers and by students, who face a future of joblessness, just might become large enough and disruptive enough to have an impact in Washington. ... Who expected the angry street mobs in Athens or the protests by British students? Who indeed predicted the strike movement that began in the United States in 1934, or the civil rights demonstrations that spread across the South in the early 1960s? We should hope for another American social movement from the bottom—and then join it.

(she HOPES for angry street mobs, well where was her hope when the tea party was angrily mobbing town square meetings? Where was the call to tone down the rhetoric of the ANGRY WHITE tea party?)


You guys are as pathetic as you are delusional about your rightness.

[Ragorn]

It's sad that Glenn Beck would target that woman like that. She didnt deserve to be the target of the right-wing hate machine. I'm kind of afraid to think what our country will be like if the conservatives ever regain power. As much as I favor nonviolence, I may need to buy a firearm to protect my family from persecution, especially if militant Christians find out that we're atheists. I really hope conservatives in Virginia don't become as openly violent as they are in other states around the country... we've been lucky so far.

What a sad state our country is in. I hope Obama can pass some legislation making hate speech like this illegal.

[kiryan]

leftists in europe KILLED THREE BANK EMPLOYEES because they were angry their government cheese was being cut. Three bank employees, not 3 GOVERNMENT WORKERS, or legislators or police officers, 3 bank employees.

This is the USA you want to see? You support this woman's position or do you support Glenn Beck for calling her out on her violent rhetoric?

[Ragorn]

Please stop shouting! I didn't mean to enrage you! Please put your firearm down and don't hurt my family!

[kiryan]

pathetic.

[Sarvis]

They condemn Beck for calling this woman out when she is supporting violence. She is literally hoping and praying and providing a blueprint for protests across the US in the style of the recent European protests. You know like the one in Greece where 3 bank employees were killed when rioters through a moltov cocktail into the bank. Or the mob that attacked the royals and physically accosted Camille (Imagine someone in a mob laying hands on Rahm Emmanual or Biden.

This is Glenn's site and some comments followed by the article she wrote that specifically riled Beck up (she has a long activist history). Read it and tell me that if you believed these things you should shut up and "tone it down". Why is it "social justice" and righting wrongs when the left calls for violence and protests and to rise up and just hateful divisiveness or lunatic right wingers when the right does it? Thats what you should think about when you're done reading these. You should think about why ANGER is ok for the left, but is used to cast aspersions on the character of the Tea Party.

You should think about what the hipocrisy of the left callign for an end to violent rhetoric, attacking a conservative icon and defending an individual who encourages ANGER. If you listen to Glenn, I catch 30 minutes of his program about 1x a week, he's not calling for anger. Maybe he used to, I don't know, but he is calling for preparedness, charity and responsibility to your neighbors and the truth. This woman on the other hand is calling for violent street mobs that kill people and damage personal property as the mechanism of change.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/frances ... evolution/

In a chilling and almost unbelievable editorial again in The Nation (”Mobilizing the Jobless,” January 10/17, 2011 edition), she calls on the jobless to rise up in a violent show of solidarity and force. As before, those calls are dripping with language of class struggle. Language she and her late husband Richard Cloward made popular in the 60s.

(you know like Sarah Palin stirring up the ANGRY tea party movement)

Those are the questions that frame what can best be called a roadmap for revolution. And it’s not long before those questions give way to directions. The first instruction: get angry.

(again, like the tea partiers according to the liberal media)

An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece ... across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees

But violence has always been Piven’s preferred method of collapse. In 2004, she admitted as much, saying that violence is condoned as long as it is part of a grand plan:

(find it yourself if you want proof she said that)

===== THIS IS HER ARTICLE SOURCED DIRECTLY FROM WHERE IT WAS PUBLISHED =====

http://www.thenation.com/article/157292 ... ng-jobless

So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs?

... (sounds like a call to violence to me) ...

They have to go from being hurt and ashamed to being angry and indignant. ... So, a kind of psychological transformation has to take place; the out-of-work have to stop blaming themselves for their hard times and turn their anger on the bosses, the bureaucrats or the politicians who are in fact responsible.

... (blame someone else for your problems. Isn't this how Hitler rose to power? Isn't class and race warfare something the GOP is being accused of?)

Third, protesters need targets, preferably local and accessible ones capable of making some kind of response to angry demands. ... Local protests have to accumulate and spread—and become more disruptive—to create serious pressures on national politicians. An effective movement of the unemployed will have to look something like the strikes and riots that have spread across Greece ... or like the student protests that recently spread with lightning speed across England in response to the prospect of greatly increased school fees.

... (3 people were killed in Greece, 3 bank employees killed because the PEOPLE were rioting against government. Someone explain the connection to me between killing 3 tellers at Wells Fargo and being angry at the government?)...

... Protests by the unemployed led by young workers and by students, who face a future of joblessness, just might become large enough and disruptive enough to have an impact in Washington. ... Who expected the angry street mobs in Athens or the protests by British students? Who indeed predicted the strike movement that began in the United States in 1934, or the civil rights demonstrations that spread across the South in the early 1960s? We should hope for another American social movement from the bottom—and then join it.

(she HOPES for angry street mobs, well where was her hope when the tea party was angrily mobbing town square meetings? Where was the call to tone down the rhetoric of the ANGRY WHITE tea party?)


You guys are as pathetic as you are delusional about your rightness.

Republicans have sought to polarize Americans for years now. At least starting with Bush, and probably before that. We are no longer Americans with opposing ideas, we are enemies of the state, socialists, pinko-commie bastards, etc.

Increasing levels of violence are the result of that. Do I care much what some old woman said? Not really. Do I care that Republicans have done everything in their power to paint Liberals as enemies? Yes.

Not to mention true Americans are actually fans of civil disobedience. Remember the Boston Tea Party? Remember your own threats to overthrow the government? I guess violence is only good when you're the one threatening it.

[kiryan]

Oh and more from the non violent left.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tucson_african_lion_tacos

TUCSON, Ariz. – An Arizona restaurant has decided to scrap plans to offer African lion meat in its tacos.

Bryan Mazon, the owner of Boca Tacos and Tequila, said Monday that his Tucson eatery has received "many threats" against the restaurant, family members, customers and vendors since he announced last week that he was taking prepaid orders for the exotic tacos.

-- MANY THREATS against the restaurant, FAMILY, CUSTOMERS and VENDORS since he annoucned he was going to sell a legal product. In TUSCON none the less, the city that is ground zero for the new "civility" debate.

[Ragorn]

Why can't you republicans just leave him alone? Seriously.. enough is enough already. If you hate America and Americans this much, maybe you should just leave.

This clearly isn't the country you want to live in.

[Sarvis]

Oh and more from the non violent left.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tucson_african_lion_tacos

TUCSON, Ariz. – An Arizona restaurant has decided to scrap plans to offer African lion meat in its tacos.

Bryan Mazon, the owner of Boca Tacos and Tequila, said Monday that his Tucson eatery has received "many threats" against the restaurant, family members, customers and vendors since he announced last week that he was taking prepaid orders for the exotic tacos.

-- MANY THREATS against the restaurant, FAMILY, CUSTOMERS and VENDORS since he annoucned he was going to sell a legal product. In TUSCON none the less, the city that is ground zero for the new "civility" debate.

Oh, and for the umpteenth time: What random people do (and you can't even state that these people are liberals) is not the same as what Republican and Tea Party leadership has done. There is a difference between what you say (which no one listens to) and what Sarah Palin says (which thousands of people listen to.)

[Teflor Lyorian]

It's sad that Glenn Beck would target that woman like that. She didnt deserve to be the target of the right-wing hate machine.

She clearly advocated violence and has called for Glenn Beck's removal from his job. While she may not be deserved to be targeted by hate - as you charge - all celebrities and politicians and anyone with a well known public face receives such attention.

How is this any different from the type of attention other people get? Why is this case special for any reason except to criticize Glenn Beck for actions he is not in any conceivable manner directly responsible for?

And Sarvis, your posts would be much less ridiculous and misinformed if you had only read the first post where I rattled off a list of politicians subject to violence before Glenn Beck had a TV show.

[Ragorn]

Glenn Beck SHOULD be removed from his job. Truth hurts I guess.

[Teflor Lyorian]

Glenn Beck SHOULD be removed from his job. Truth hurts I guess.

Why? He seems to be producing for News Corp.

[Ragorn]

Yeah, but didn't he rape and murder a girl in 1990? I wouldn't be comfortable listening to a guy who never seems to deny being a murderer.

[kiryan]

Sarvis, the right is responsible for that huh? Starting at least with Bush huh? Forget all the activists from the 60s and 70s that have grown up now and are in all the universities and government think tanks and politics. Obama's surrounded himself with radicals from the 60s and 70s, but you don't blame him for the rights reaction.

[kiryan]

LOL, I'd never heard that one before.

Ragorn, the difference is, and I linked her article in its entirety from the site that originally published it, that she actually wrote an article wishing for and extolling the virtues of massive US civil protest... which is necessarily going to be violent due to her suggestion that people need to get angry and blame others for their situations.

Now, is she or is she not spreading violent rhetoric. Do we need to silence and fire her too?

[kiryan]

More of your non violent, non polarizing rhetoric from our upstanding Democratic party members. At least he didn't call half the country the enemy like Obama did.

“The left understands that the choice in 2012 will be Obama or somebody far worse,” the official said. “They will have no choice, no matter what Obama says in the State of the Union address. No matter how much we complain, he knows that at the end of the day, we will be supporting him in 2012 — and that affects what he can do now. The choice for us will be an administration that disappointed us or a Republican administration that will be out to destroy us.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/01 ... z1C5teGsvG

[Sarvis]

Sarvis, the right is responsible for that huh? Starting at least with Bush huh? Forget all the activists from the 60s and 70s that have grown up now and are in all the universities and government think tanks and politics. Obama's surrounded himself with radicals from the 60s and 70s, but you don't blame him for the rights reaction.

No, because Bush said "You're either with us or against us" long before anyone had ever heard of Obama.

[Teflor Lyorian]

This ignorance of American history is simultaneously amusing and boring. Doesn't anyone remember the actual duel between Burr and Hamilton? Don't be a stupid joke.

[Ragorn]

You can call me Aaron Burr from the way I'm droppin' Hamiltons.

[Kindi]

Please stop shouting! I didn't mean to enrage you! Please put your firearm down and don't hurt my family!

i can't stop laughing after i read this

[Kifle]

You can call me Aaron Burr from the way I'm droppin' Hamiltons.

I wasn't aware you were a lyrical gangster. Nicely done.