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Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:43 pm

Hmm is this the violent rhetoric that only tea party racist extremists engage in?

http://nation.foxnews.com/union-protest ... tle-bloody

Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.)

Sometimes it's necessary to get out on the streets and "get a little bloody," a Massachusetts Democrat said Tuesday in reference to labor battles in Wisconsin.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:47 pm

Awww.... how cute. You're trying soooooo hard!

Of course, "getting a little bloody" would mean THEY are suffering attacks and need to survive through it.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:58 pm

Don't worry theres a lot more coming.

At a union protest in WI, 2 union supporters are on tape heckling an african american man who came over to incite them. One white woman said "Do you have any children. Do you have any children that you claim? because you can't understand education if you don't have children."

I wonder what would happen if a tea partier said "do you have any children that you claim" that to a black man.

Another, woman who sounds black says "go back to where you belong, on the other side of the fence" (I assume she meant join his fellow protestors, but it should be noted they're both on public capitol grounds).

Its so cute that you're going to keep trying your darndest to believe the only racists and extremists on this earth are members of the GOP.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:01 pm

kiryan wrote:Don't worry theres a lot more coming.

At a union protest in WI, 2 union supporters are on tape heckling an african american man who came over to incite them. One white woman said "Do you have any children. Do you have any children that you claim? because you can't understand education if you don't have children."

I wonder what would happen if a tea partier said "do you have any children that you claim" that to a black man.

Another, woman who sounds black says "go back to where you belong, on the other side of the fence" (I assume she meant join his fellow protestors, but it should be noted they're both on public capitol grounds).

Its so cute that you're going to keep trying your darndest to believe the only racists and extremists on this earth are members of the GOP.


How are either of those in any way racist? No, the Tea Party would not have been called out on "do you have any children." (Could be considered sexist, maybe... if you're desperate to portray them as being bad.)

Meanwhile Tea Party protestors actually yell racial slurs at black congressmen. Give it up, Kiryan. Your team used racial slurs, the other team questioned parental status. No comparison.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:39 pm

DO YOU HAVE ANY CHILDREN YOU CLAIM.

Thats a slur suggesting that he has illegitimate children that he doesn't support. Its commonly leveled at African Americans due to the high incident of black children that grow up without a father.

Come on now, you aren't really that stupid are you?
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby amena wolfsnarl » Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:58 pm

theres dead beat parents all over the place, its not just one race that has em.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:57 pm

look we aren't talking speculative situations. we're talking about a white woman at a union protest says to a black tea party member. Do you have any kids. Do you have any kids that you claim.

Can there be ANY question about whether the "claim" portion was added because he was a black male?

That is clearly racist. She assumed he was a deadbeat father with illegitimate children because he is black. She's probably a teacher and sees it first hand from the kids she teaches. While there are deadbeat fathers of every nationality, its at a much higher rate among african americans. Bill Cosby harps on it, Obama gave speeches on it. Its undeniable.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:36 pm

kiryan wrote:Can there be ANY question about whether the "claim" portion was added because he was a black male?


Yes.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Ashiwi » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:39 pm

That would be a question to ask a man of any color. Irresponsible comes in many shades.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:41 am

Dude. Kiryan. Everyone's racist. Some people just try harder to pretend that they're not.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:33 pm

Ashiwi wrote:That would be a question to ask a man of any color. Irresponsible comes in many shades.


While that is a true statement, it grossly misrepresents the reality in America where it comes predominately in a certain color particularly in urban areas.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:30 am

http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/ ... |FRONTPAGE

Democrat Rep. Issues Death Threat to Republican Rep. on Assembly Floor
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:16 pm

Sarvis wrote:Meanwhile Tea Party protestors actually yell racial slurs at black congressmen. Give it up, Kiryan. Your team used racial slurs, the other team questioned parental status. No comparison.


Link me something showing tea partiers shouting racial slurs. It was widely reported by liberal media, but not substantiated... period. Do I think racist in the tea party at some point said something somewhere? sure, but you're just repeating the party line rather than looking at the actual facts.

I believe Glenn Beck offered 100k to the first person to produce a video of the specific event showing any tea partier making a racist slur towards the law makers. The source of the original allegation were none other than the democratic legislators themselves... who have an obvious interest in the portrayal of the opposition as racists.


Here however, we actually have a liberal group calling for the LYNCHING of clarence thomas, supreme court justice. I've posted on this before, but I don't think I included a video. Also noteworthy, no response from the NAACP, no coverage from the national media. and this comes AFTER the loughner shooting and the nationwide "call for civility".

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/50605.html
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:56 am

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 80353.html

"Eighteen Republican senators and all of the Assembly Republicans got e-mails threatening to kill them in shootings and bombings."

"We will hunt you down. We will slit your throats. We will drink your blood. I will have your decapitated head on a pike in the Madison town square. This is your last warning."

In other news: "Michael Moore To Rachel Maddow On Wisconsin: 'This Is War'"





And you're going to give Palin crap for using surveyor's marks on a map?

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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:29 am

They are still harping on the tea party for being violent extremists and racists. The DHS memo that went out in January 2009 warning law enforcement about the increase in right wing extremist groups... what about the left wing extremists (aka unions)?

now think back... who was it breaking windows in military recruitment centers and vandalizing military officer's vehicles? Who was it blocking military recruiters from entering their offices or coming on campus? Where was the condemnation for inflammatory rhetoric then?

Today we have wisconsin. Where union members were breaking into public buildings... doing 7 million in damage to public spaces... being dragged out of the capital by police for refusing to obey authority. camping out in public buildings... packing the halls of the capitol to prevent legislature from meeting... intentionally disrupting meetings of official business (I'll give you tea partiers interrupting town hall gatherings, but its not really the same)....

Imagine if someone found a box of ammo at a tea party demonstration (it does sound like a plant and its an ingenious one).

and lets look at history, which group has a history of
A) beating people up (especially scabs)
B) preventing people from entering buildings
C) corruption, real corruption where people actually go to jail not just accused of being profiteers
D) dropping nails in parking lots and driveways to punish people who go to work
E) showing up at private residences to harass people

Now who's the civil party... the tea party or the unions.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:03 am

I wouldn't try to mix the socialist, anarchist, and union/labor movement together too hard.

They vote democrat for the same reason libertarians and evangalist christians vote Republican. Quite possibly the only things they have in common is that the other party is a worse fit.

Also, careful with your criticism, it was the Wisconsin Republicans that sent state police to democrat senators' homes to see if they would come to work.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:04 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrewbre ... 34482.html

Frank talk on huffingtonpost about how the mainstream media continues to push an untrue narrative about the tea party. takes a small pot shot at the friendly coverage of the union protests in Wisconsin vs the tea party coverage.

Here you go Sarvis

"Remember the protests on Capitol Hill last March against ObamaCare, and the media's lie that members of the Congressional Black Congress had awful racial slurs hurled at them by Tea Party members that weekend? Did you know that there's video evidence that it isn't true?

Not just one video, either. Four of them. Yes. Four. Of. Them. There's not one shred of objective evidence that corroborates the "Tea Party N-Word" story. But the mainstream media has allowed the lie to live on as one of the central "proofs" of Tea Party racism. It's been debunked, but it's raised time and time again by those claiming "reality" as their mantle."

===

Or maybe NPR is trying to protect something much bigger than itself -- the pseudo-moral high ground from which the mainstream media broadcasts its false propaganda about Tea Party racism and shills for the Democratic Party.

-- talking about a possible reason why they threw 2 of their executives under the bus for the latest SNAFU. bit of a stretch if you ask me.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Fri Apr 01, 2011 6:45 pm

Unions are extremists and violent!

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/119035264.html

Windels' social media pages say she is an elementary school teacher in Madison

The criminal complaint said Windels threatened to kill Republicans and their families in her email, and said she would shoot them in the head.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:27 pm

So, can we all just stop accusing each other of being more violent and more extreme than the other?
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:26 pm

http://www.breitbart.tv/unhinged-trumka ... tea-party/

pro union protestors showed up to counter rally the tea party rally in Madison WI. This guy makes belittling comments about her, tells her to go home you little brat, gives her the middle finger and shouts profanity at her. A 14 year old girl. And we're supposed to tone down the rhetoric. LOL

if you're interested her speech.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2011/04/tr ... l-who.html
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby flib » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:23 pm

gotta agree with sarvis.. on the first part.. it was a metaphor. I really don't think the guy means they should beat people up.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Tue Apr 19, 2011 11:00 pm

So when Sarah Palin says "don't retreat, reload" or uses "cross hairs" to identify "target" districts and seats/politicians, do you think she means commit gun violence?

Cuz thats what we're talking about here, the double standard. Conservative speech is hate mongering, bigotry, violent and just plain evil. Liberal speech is just inspirational even if it says we need to "get a little bloody".

Oh and I'm interested in what you think about white union woman supporter that said to a black man do you have any children you claim. Was that racist? Cuz if it had been a tea party member and said "thank you mam" to a black woman someone would report it as racist.

and lets talk about anger: "go to your room you fucking brat" shouted at a 14 year old giving a speech to tea partiers by a white union supporter.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:35 pm

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-624367?hpt=hp_bn1

I'm wondering what the liberals would've thought last year if the tea party "crossed the delaware". Symbolically declaring war on NJ?

Boy those lofty calls of bringing civility back to the debate when they thought they had a GOP inspired shooting sure disappeared as soon as their interests were under attack. We had live ammunition found in the capitol building in Wisconsin and now we have unions declaring war on NJ.

where is there civility? where are the leftist pundits calling for civility?
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:23 pm

Palin told people to fight back with guns. These guys crossed a river. You really don't see a difference there?
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:36 pm

First, I don't think your statement about Palin is accurate.

You don't see a problem with the union folks symbolically declared war on NJ? What if they crossed the delaware with guns? or say swamped government buildings with thousands of people intentially trying to shut government down until their demands were met?
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:53 pm

kiryan wrote:First, I don't think your statement about Palin is accurate.

You don't see a problem with the union folks symbolically declared war on NJ? What if they crossed the delaware with guns? or say swamped government buildings with thousands of people intentially trying to shut government down until their demands were met?



I might be worried if they brought guns, but they didn't. There are no Palins on our side telling them to do so.

So what if they "swamped" a building? That's peaceful assembly. Do you have some problem with the First Amendment?

Symbolically declared war? Please. "Battle" is used for everything BUT actual physical violence these days.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:17 pm

No Sarvis its more like civil disobedience than freedom of speech. When you intend to disrupt the normal operation, you are not peacefully protesting or expressing free speech. You are engaged in conflict with the government... You are extorting and blackmailing.

Its still funny theres no cries for civility at these union protests?! No cries for civility as they shamelessy interrupted a special olympics ceremony to get 5 more minutes of press coverage. Aren't these the "weak" Democrats claim they are advocating for and protecting?
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:28 pm

kiryan wrote:No Sarvis its more like civil disobedience...

Its still funny theres no cries for civility at these union protests?!


You just accused them of being civilly disobedient while simultaneously complaining that no one is crying for them to be civil?

Get it, Kiryan? Palin told people to go get their guns ready. These guys staged a protest. There is a huge fucking difference.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:23 pm

If you have a gun, it should already be ready anyway!
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:44 pm

right these guys actually made a show of force in public by symbolically "crossing the delaware" which is an obvious throwback to declaring war.

Do you see the difference? If palin said that, she said get ready. The union actually is holding public shows of force.

also, civil disobedience is not always civil. Civil refers to not criminal you dork, not civility.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:22 am

There really is no hope for you.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:12 pm

Sarvis wrote:There really is no hope for you.

Sure, if you think there is no hope in liberty.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:49 pm

funny i was thinking the same thing about you.

despite for your stated distaste for hipocrisy, you sure are willing to cast anything a democrat does in a favorable light.

I know im a hipocrite and I'm unapologetic because at the end o the day, I have to live in this world, not a world of my ideals.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:16 pm

kiryan wrote:I have to live in this world, not a world of my ideals.


No, the problem is your perception of reality is so skewed by your hatred of "the other guys" that when when some union members do this:

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You see this:

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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:47 pm

lol and you see the same.

Conservatives defending their country and family values = assault on immigrants and gays.

hipocrite.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:01 pm

kiryan wrote:lol and you see the same.

Conservatives defending their country and family values = assault on immigrants and gays.

hipocrite.


Go look at what we said. We said that Palin's comment that her supporters should "reload" and "aim for democrats" could incite violence.

You, on the other hand, claim crossing a river is the same as starting a war.

None of these protesters are telling anyone to open fire. None of them, for that matter, are an important national leader who millions listen to and see as a leader.

Further this is an isolated incident. Meanwhile for YEARS Republicans have been painting Democrats as enemies of Liberty, enemies of the Country, and enemies of God.


In short Republicans have convinced their base that we are evil and should be destroyed, then starting telling everyone to get their guns ready. These protesters...? Well...

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They. Are. Not. The. Same.

You're just desperate to paint them in the same light because you've been convinced that they are enemies of Liberty, enemies of the Country, and enemies of God.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:55 pm

An isolated incident yea right... isolated only because their power base is finally being affected where it was effectively untouchable before. or was Wisconsin also an isolated incident? Were the protests in England and Greece also isolated? cuz it all looks the same to me.

demcorats calling for civility when they're doing the attacking, then turning out for "war" when they're attacked.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:04 pm

kiryan wrote:An isolated incident yea right... isolated only because their power base is finally being affected where it was effectively untouchable before. or was Wisconsin also an isolated incident? Were the protests in England and Greece also isolated? cuz it all looks the same to me.

demcorats calling for civility when they're doing the attacking, then turning out for "war" when they're attacked.


You're comparing the right to protest, which is guaranteed by the Constitution, to inciting violence. What the fuck is wrong with you? You're basically saying people should just let the government do whatever it wants, because to do otherwise is automatically violence.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:58 pm

and the two guys who showed up at a rally in AZ with their legally owned and legally carried guns less than 2 miles from an obama event were just protesting, engaged in free speech too right?

Nope, thats automatically violent because it involves a legally carried gun. Same with that kid who was engaged in legal open carry and got attacked by police right? Your automatically suspicious and violent if you're carrying a gun. So much for your lofty principles against discrimination, it only applies to your poor illegals and pursuers of alternative lifestyles.

again, liberals being liberal. They can justify any degree of hipocrisy, but can't admit it.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:10 pm

Kiryan's World: People carrying loaded guns == people who are on a boat
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:21 pm

Sarvis' world,

We Are Right.

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Its not discrimination when we do it because we're bona fide civil rights champions.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:10 am

*sigh* Trolltastic!

I know you think it's discrimination that ONE GUY got harassed for openly carrying a gun. It is not. Discrimination is systemic. It's when people of a certain color get pulled over 5 times as often, despite not actually breaking any traffic rules.

I know you think you're clever with subliminal messages and all, but again what happened is a few people on a boat. That is not war, it is not an attack, it is not violent. It's practically Ghandi level non-violence. You want to color it as Democrat violence (and again, asshat, we're talking about union members here which are almost guaranteed to be mixed among ideology... unless you think there are no Republican educators in New Jersey? )

Hey, notice how when you brought up lynchings and and threats of shooting no one defended it? Could that be because those actually WERE incidences of violent rhetoric?

This "Crossing the Delaware" thing, however, is not. It's symbolic, it's peaceful, it's a clever way to draw attention to their protest and nothing more. No one was told to shoot, lynch or harm anyone. You're just so desperate to paint Democrats in the same light as we perceive you that you're reaching well beyond any level of sanity.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:54 pm

Teflor Lyorian wrote:http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/117780353.html

"Eighteen Republican senators and all of the Assembly Republicans got e-mails threatening to kill them in shootings and bombings."

"We will hunt you down. We will slit your throats. We will drink your blood. I will have your decapitated head on a pike in the Madison town square. This is your last warning."

In other news: "Michael Moore To Rachel Maddow On Wisconsin: 'This Is War'"





And you're going to give Palin crap for using surveyor's marks on a map?

Myth: Busted.


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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:58 pm

(and again, asshat, we're talking about union members here which are almost guaranteed to be mixed among ideology... unless you think there are no Republican educators in New Jersey? )


Good point. then why do they give 99% of their contributions to Democrat candidates? Are the GOP minority in unions being discriminated against?

Imagine how the media would play it if Sarah Palin crossed the delaware with tea party supporters. We don't have to imagine, you call it extreme or inflammatory. Funny, I haven't heard anyone call the Union protests extreme. Not even the one where the interrupted special olympics. Go ahead defend it.

Now, lets talk about discrimination. Systemic only huh? Thats awfully self serving. I guess that explains why Dems get a pass calling Palin and Whitman bitches and whores, but a Republican doing the same would be lambasted as anti women.

Why doesn't ACORN setup shops in white surbia? No unregistered voters there? Isn't that racial/economic profiling? If a bank sets up a sub prime unit in a ghetto its discrimination, not placing your centers where your customers are. Imagine if the catholic church ran a Planned Parenthood and opened up centers giving abortions 60% of the time to African American women. the lawsuit would be huge... wheres the outrage at Planned parenthood? right, you guys run that, pro choice is a good thing!

hipocrites.

and yes, when liberals get up and stump for leftist causes under the guise of academic learning, its partisian hackery and its rampant in colleges as three people here have testified from direct experience. They're not interested in truth or discussion, they're promoting an agenda.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:08 pm

kiryan wrote:
Imagine how the media would play it if Sarah Palin crossed the delaware with tea party supporters.


She didn't, so you are relying purely on your imagination here. Get it? People crossed the river in a boat, and you see a warship. You know what would happen of Palin did it? We'd call her dumb. We wouldn't say she was starting a war or inciting violence, we'd just make fun of her.

But then that's my imagination.

The reality is that you're judging democrats on what you think they would do in a hypothetical situation.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Teflor Lyorian » Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:57 pm

kiryan wrote:Imagine how the media would play it if Sarah Palin crossed the delaware with tea party supporters.

She did. Just on a bus headed to NYC. The media was more interested in Donald's pizza eating habits.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:27 pm

Sarvis wrote:
kiryan wrote:
Imagine how the media would play it if Sarah Palin crossed the delaware with tea party supporters.


She didn't, so you are relying purely on your imagination here. Get it? People crossed the river in a boat, and you see a warship. You know what would happen of Palin did it? We'd call her dumb. We wouldn't say she was starting a war or inciting violence, we'd just make fun of her.

But then that's my imagination.

The reality is that you're judging democrats on what you think they would do in a hypothetical situation.


No I'm not, theres plenty of evidence exactly how they do behave

Union reps disrupt a special olympics ceremony. great job douche bags.

http://nation.foxnews.com/union-protest ... s-ceremony

Democratic representative (yes he was elected) tells union that they're going to have to get a little bloody.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/02/23/ge ... union-way/

Google Wisconsin, Union protest

Google runaway democrats Indiana and Wisconsin and Texas (a few years ago)

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/22/india ... -run-away/

Huffingtonpost asking the question, why isn't the media reporting all the death threats against the GOP in Wisconsin?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stran ... 35805.html

26 year old female, pre-school teacher issues a bomb threat to GOP

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/ ... her-video/

SEIU union thugs beat black conservative at protest.

http://www.politicalbyline.com/2009/08/ ... -activist/

Meg Whitman a whore

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43315.html

Sarah Palin called a cunt

http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/201 ... -headline/

During the 2008 presidential campaign, liberal activists paraded in public wearing t-shirts emblazoned in large lettering, “Sarah Palin is a c***” with the c-word fully spelled out.

Joy of the View calls Sharon Angle a bitch. Sharon responds by sending her flowers, Joy reups and gives an encore performance.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/ ... y-diatribe

Pro Gun laws are government sponsored racism because black and brown people use them to kill black and brown people. -- chicago's chief of police

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/2 ... 84564.html

and since I could go on all day, just go google GWB and Palin.

so I call bullshit. Liberals and Unions want to stir up crap, stage protests, engage in symbolic actions like crossing the delaware and you say its just freedom of speech. Meanwhile, conservatives hold rallys tell their constituents to defend their rights including the right to bear arms and you see "sedition" and inflammatory rhetoric. And I didn't even look up any environmental activists or animal rights activists... they're evne more extreme and violent than your union thugs. quit being a hippocrite. get some intellectual honesty.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Mon Jun 27, 2011 2:57 pm

get some intellectual honesty.

Yes, lets. The thing you need to imagine is how the media would react to Sarah Palin crossing the Delaware. Which of the links you posted have anything at all to do with that? Hell, the only Sarah Palin news you posted here was a fucking typo that Republicans, again using their imaginations, went nuts about. So let's get some intellectual honesty, and talk about REAL fucking incidents.

To Whit:


kiryan wrote:Huffingtonpost asking the question, why isn't the media reporting all the death threats against the GOP in Wisconsin?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-stran ... 35805.html

26 year old female, pre-school teacher issues a bomb threat to GOP

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/ ... her-video/

SEIU union thugs beat black conservative at protest.

http://www.politicalbyline.com/2009/08/ ... -activist/


Pro Gun laws are government sponsored racism because black and brown people use them to kill black and brown people. -- chicago's chief of police


Those links, those THREE links, are good evidence of Democratic violence. Yet you chose to focus on some guys in a boat. You have real, actual evidence to show your point but there's so little of it you focus on nonsense and meaningless typos and insults. Who cares if someone calls Palin a cunt? Especially a bunch of protestors? For that matter, who cares if a single pre-school teacher makes a threat, or an anonymous letter? Those are regrettable and indefensible... but they are not Vice Presidential candidates telling people to go on a shooting spree.

Do you honestly not see the difference between a party Leader telling people to do something, and a couple nutjobs making threats? Should I list all the times Conservatives have _actually_ bombed abortion clinics, rather than just threatening too? No, because that doesn't get us anywhere. Intellectual honesty requires that I say this:

There are nutjobs on both sides who advocate violence. The Republican party runs them as Vice Presidential candidates.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby kiryan » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:01 pm

shall we do a search on eco terrorists and animal rights activists? Then to top it off, lets look at the violence commited by the anti war left?

a few nutjobs huh? Let me see if I can find the common thread. Union, union, union, union and union. When 'extremists' get in trouble and can be related to Palin, she is viciously savaged in the media as sponsoring this sedition and inflammatory rhetoric. Who are the democrat's biggest financial supporter? unions. Who do their bidding in government? democrats. Who organized this trip of crossing the delaware? union. Where is the linking of all this violent rhetoric back to democrats and unions? Huffingtonpost asks why the bomb and death threats were not covered. good question, maybe you can answer it?

are we done here yet? as much as you think your team is different, they're not. Now join me in criticizing the inflammatory rhetoric practiced by Unions and their Democrats (or vice versa not sure which owns which yet). After all, you guys were the ones calling for it after Gifford.
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Re: Inflammatory Rhetoric

Postby Sarvis » Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:43 pm

When the Democrats run one of these guys as a Vice Presidential candidate, give me a call. Until then you have a problem with a few union members who just happen to contribute to Democrats.

Humans are a violent species. I'm not saying all Democrats are non-violent. I'm saying that no Democratic Party leader has gone on TV and told his or her supporters to start shooting people.

And again, sailing across a river in a boat is NOT violent. Stick with the actual violence like bomb threats and death threats. At least then you almost appear to have a point. When you bring up the Crossing the Delaware thing you just prove you live in Imaginationland.
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