Lichs are a class now? that sounds kinda hookey. I thought it was really cool that lich was a race not just a class when first impd. That was super cool, and it made a lot of sense.
If they became a class so goodies could have lichs too. Thats bunk. Goodies have rangers and paladins and druids but evils dont. Evils have squids true, but just because one side has them doesnt mean the other side needs them. just dont see paladins and rangers running around with lichs or necromancers no matter what the race or alignment. Are paladins going to be able to group with good aligned lichs or necromancers? if not, youve taken the line between evil races and goods and drawn another one within the goods. Divide and conquer is that what you had in mind?
IF lich is too powerful to have only on one side then you have a different issue that could be solved in a more creative way then making lich a class. Add a new class, give a goodie only class upgrades to compete with liches ect... You couldve made illusionist goodie only, or make elementalists good only. or change the name of lich to something else.
In closing lich as a class strikes me as odd especially after reading the lich quest logs. how about you?
Lichs are a class?
I'm sorry you disagree.
Liches are not a race. They're a form of undead. It was changed to reflect this, and to fix several problems arising from 3 different races of necros all turning into the same race of lich.
It's not a conspiracy against evilraces.
And liches are not the 'epitome of evil' - I'd say that honor would belong to Baatezu (devils). Good liches exist as well in the AD&D/FR world.
Anyhow.
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Liches are not a race. They're a form of undead. It was changed to reflect this, and to fix several problems arising from 3 different races of necros all turning into the same race of lich.
It's not a conspiracy against evilraces.
And liches are not the 'epitome of evil' - I'd say that honor would belong to Baatezu (devils). Good liches exist as well in the AD&D/FR world.
Anyhow.
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<B>Shevarash -- Code Forger of Sojourn3
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With a voice as cold as ice, the figure whispers into your ear 'Immortality
is what you seek, Immortality is what you shall have. You are a fool and will
curse this day for all eternity, but you have proven yourself resourceful,
evil, and ruthless. Henceforth all will despise you on sight and run from you
in terror. Children will have nightmares about you, and armed men will hunt
you down in your places of hiding. Your flesh will rot from your bones, and
only undead creatures will be comfortable in your horrid presence.'
'Most importantly you will lose your soul and all semblances of mercy,
charity, joy, pleasure, and the ability to love. May the dark gods laugh at
your plight, and may you ever recall this day with terror.'
Sounds like a good guy lich to me!
is what you seek, Immortality is what you shall have. You are a fool and will
curse this day for all eternity, but you have proven yourself resourceful,
evil, and ruthless. Henceforth all will despise you on sight and run from you
in terror. Children will have nightmares about you, and armed men will hunt
you down in your places of hiding. Your flesh will rot from your bones, and
only undead creatures will be comfortable in your horrid presence.'
'Most importantly you will lose your soul and all semblances of mercy,
charity, joy, pleasure, and the ability to love. May the dark gods laugh at
your plight, and may you ever recall this day with terror.'
Sounds like a good guy lich to me!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shevarash:
Ok, whatever.
The other point I forgot to mention is....good RACES are just as capable of evil as the evil RACES.
You trolls and drow don't have a monopoloy on it.
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*cough* ranger where? *cough* Anti-Pal where?*cough* *cough* Who evil ranger *ponder* who evil anti pal *scratch*
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Ok, whatever.
The other point I forgot to mention is....good RACES are just as capable of evil as the evil RACES.
You trolls and drow don't have a monopoloy on it.
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*cough* ranger where? *cough* Anti-Pal where?*cough* *cough* Who evil ranger *ponder* who evil anti pal *scratch*
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Evils need sub-warriors too with all the reason changes, you don't see that many warrior playing these day. Either dead or migrate to a new body. And how about some cool weapon for warrior only? Ranger have windsong, paladork have avernger, anti have unholy avenger. As always, warrior are just nothing but a meatshield these day, not as bad as conjurer or bard.
I think lich as a class is more reasonable than as a race. Just because your flesh starts melting off, doesn't mean the drow all of a sudden grows to be the 'average lich height'. Nor does the yuan-ti change into a bipedal humanoid. If we want to delve deeper into Forgotten Realms lich lore, there were also very rare Arch liches which are of good nature and most often elves.
Yayaril
Yayaril
Forgotten realms has made a living off creating races, and beings and then writing long stories about the one that went against their racial instincts, thats hardly a good example. I do think that it should be a class however, i dont think a yuanti lich or a human lich would have ears enough to put an earring on, and I wasnt meaning to suggest they should be evil only as a matter of good vs evil race balance, it just doesnt seem very logical to me is all.
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Thanks for informed posts Shev. I can understand the coding aspect of it now, it was prolly the easiset solution and one that could be somewhat explained, and gave goodies lichs so evils wouldnt have them exclusively.
I personally disagree with lichs not being a race and if you really wanted to be more accurate on that they should remain their race and be flagged undead (ack! that looks like a nightmare) or code around the same height, getting ears and legs ect...
I also think the split within the goodies is ridiculous with rangers and paladins not being able to group with lichs and antis. You leave the goods vulnerable to one class becomign dominating. what happens if when archery goes in rangers are suddenly indispensable? antis and necros dont get groups. Whose going to bring rangers and paladins when you got lichs as they exist presnt day.
I think a better solution would be to make antipaladins evils / evil race. and leave lichs on the evil side too.
Oh ya, i dont think evils need subclassed warriors. look at all the problems they have with them on the good side and balancing them ect... worthless especially since were playing a caster mud.
I personally disagree with lichs not being a race and if you really wanted to be more accurate on that they should remain their race and be flagged undead (ack! that looks like a nightmare) or code around the same height, getting ears and legs ect...
I also think the split within the goodies is ridiculous with rangers and paladins not being able to group with lichs and antis. You leave the goods vulnerable to one class becomign dominating. what happens if when archery goes in rangers are suddenly indispensable? antis and necros dont get groups. Whose going to bring rangers and paladins when you got lichs as they exist presnt day.
I think a better solution would be to make antipaladins evils / evil race. and leave lichs on the evil side too.
Oh ya, i dont think evils need subclassed warriors. look at all the problems they have with them on the good side and balancing them ect... worthless especially since were playing a caster mud.
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