Bug in disarm.

[Laxlez]

I petitioned about this, but got no response..

Here's what has happened.. I was praticing disarm (on ogres in Forest of Mir..) when I got the message that I had dropped my weapon, appended by a "Bug in disarm." I had not actually dropped my weapon.. but this continued throughout the fight (with me dropping and the mob supposedly being disarmed).
Accompanied with this is the fact that when I hit "attr", it reported my AC as 41 (it was really -89) and then after armor faded, it said that it was 59 (which makes even less sense).
I had noticed my AC to be misreported in the past, also after disarming.. don't know if I had the "Bug" message that time, since it was spammy and I just rem'd all and put it back on and my AC was reported correctly again.
This time around, renting fixed my AC reporting.. and I fought a few fights with it still misreported and didn't seem to get hit any more often than before..

But regardless, here's the log.. maybe someone can check into it (oh.. and this might be important.. the mob was dualling, and I disarmed the primary weapon first (with no error messages). It was only when I went after the secondary that the bug showed up.. I've also not had time to see if this is the cause tho.

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< 196h/351H 132v/132V >
<> l ogre
This tall creature's back is curved, so that it doesn't hit the
ceiling of any caverns. Its piked club is larger than a human,
but is carried with ease. Hanging from its mouth is a long strand
of drool that has not reached the ground yet. Two large tusks jut
out of the sides of its mouth.
The ogre is in excellent condition.

<worn about waist> a yellow spotted loincloth
<primary weapon> an ogre tusk
<secondary weapon> a long heavy warclub

You attempt to peek at the inventory:
You can't see anything.

< 196h/351H 132v/132V >
<> sc

Score information for Laxlez

Level: 40 Race: Drow Elf Class: Rogue
Hit points: 197(351) Moves: 132(132)
Experience Progress: >>>>>>>>>> >
18% to next level
Coins carried: 3 platinum 32 gold 415 silver 443 copper
Coins in bank: 116 platinum 1083 gold 5645 silver 9634 copper
Prestige: 4772
Citizen of: Dobluth Kyor
Outcast from: Griffon's Nest
Playing time: 12 days / 8 hours/ 42 minutes
Title:
Status: Standing.
Enchantments: Ultravision

Active Spells:
--------------
strength
armor


< 197h/351H 132v/132V >
<> trip ogre
You do a fancy maneuver, tripping the ogre.

< 198h/351H 132v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: excellent>
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You pierce the ogre.

< 198h/351H 132v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: few scratches> disarm ogre tusk

The ogre misses you with his pierce.
The ogre misses you with his pound.
The ogre misses you with his pierce.
You pierce the ogre hard.
You pierce the ogre hard.

< 199h/351H 132v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> You cause the ogre to fumble for his weapon.

< 199h/351H 127v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds>
The ogre is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
The ogre misses you with his pierce.
The ogre clambers to his feet.
You pierce the ogre.

< 199h/351H 127v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> disarm ogre tusk
You make a great effort, and send the ogre's weapon crashing to the floor.
You have learned something new about disarm!
An ogre tusk lands on the floor.

< 200h/351H 122v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> get tusk
get tusk
get tusk
The ogre shouts 'No you don't!! That belongs to me!'
The ogre glares icily at you, you feel COLD to your bones.
You have managed to get FAR TOO CLOSE to the ogre.
get tusk

< 200h/351H 123v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> get tusk
The ogre shouts 'No you don't!! That belongs to me!'
The ogre glares icily at you, you feel COLD to your bones.
The ogre hurdles himself into close vicinity of the ogre. Impossible to get to now!
get tusk

< 200h/351H 123v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> get tusk
The ogre finally regains full control of his weapon.
The ogre struggles to regain his weapon.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You pierce the ogre hard.
The ogre shouts 'No you don't!! That belongs to me!'
The ogre glares icily at you, you feel COLD to your bones.
get tusk
You have managed to get FAR TOO CLOSE to the ogre.

< 200h/351H 123v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> The ogre glares icily at you, you feel COLD to your bones.
You amazingly evade the ogre and reach your goal!
You get an ogre tusk.

< 200h/351H 123v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> You do not see a tusk here.

< 200h/351H 123v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> You do not see a tusk here.

< 200h/351H 123v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> You do not see a tusk here.

< 200h/351H 124v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds> You do not see a tusk here.

< 200h/351H 124v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: small wounds>
You pierce the ogre.
You pierce the ogre hard.

< 201h/351H 124v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: few wounds>
You are thirsty.

< 202h/351H 126v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: few wounds>
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You're hit in the solar plexus. Wow, this is breathtaking!!
You pierce the ogre hard.
The ogre parries your futile lunge at him.

< 192h/351H 126v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: few wounds>
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You pierce the ogre hard.

< 192h/351H 127v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: few wounds>
The green goblin enters from the north.

< 193h/351H 127v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: few wounds> l
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You pierce the ogre very hard.
A Round Hollowed Out Room
Room size: Mid-sized (L:25 ft W:25 ft H:10 ft)
Exits: -N -E -S
Corpse of the green goblin is lying here.
A green goblin wanders around, looking for a fight.
An ankheg stands here, slowly digging into the earth.
Berthol the Dwarf stands here with his arms crossed.
A green goblin wanders around, looking for a fight.
A shambling mound conceals itself amongst the foliage here.
The ogre stands here, fighting YOU!
An ogre staggers around, looking for a fight.

< 193h/351H 127v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: few wounds>
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You pierce the ogre hard.
You pierce the ogre hard.

< 193h/351H 128v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
You cause the ogre to fumble for his weapon.

< 193h/351H 123v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
You cause the ogre to fumble for his weapon.

< 193h/351H 118v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
You cause the ogre to fumble for his weapon.

< 193h/351H 114v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
The ogre is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
The ogre misses a kick at your groin, you breathe lighter now.
You pierce the ogre hard.

< 193h/351H 114v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
You cause the ogre to fumble for his weapon.

< 194h/351H 109v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
You cause the ogre to fumble for his weapon.

< 194h/351H 104v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
You make a grave error in judgement, and lose control of your weapon.

< 194h/351H 99v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
Impossible! You're already fumbling for your own weapon.

< 194h/351H 99v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
The ogre is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You can't seem to get a firm, steady hold of your weapon.
You pierce the ogre hard.

< 194h/351H 99v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
The ogre finally regains full control of his weapon.
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
The ogre makes a nice ballet step which plants a foot a mile above your head.
You finally regain full control of your weapon.
You pierce the ogre very hard.
You pierce the ogre very hard.

< 194h/351H 100v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
Your disarming manuveur had no effect on the ogre.

*******************
< 194h/351H 95v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> disarm ogre club
You fail miserably in your attempt to disarm the ogre.
A slender green trident lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.
*******************

< 194h/351H 95v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.

< 194h/351H 95v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> get trident
You do not see a trident here.

< 195h/351H 96v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> wield trident
You do not seem to have the 'trident'.

< 195h/351H 96v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You dodge a bash from the ogre, who loses his balance and falls.

< 195h/351H 96v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
The green goblin leaves east.

< 195h/351H 96v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
The ogre misses you with his hit.
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You miss the ogre with your pierce.
You pierce the ogre extremely hard.

< 195h/351H 97v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> inv
You are carrying:
an ogre tusk
some human meat
a glowing crimson dagger
a Royal Bloodstone dagger
a rothe-hide waterskin
a vial of murky green liquid
a long flowing black robe

< 195h/351H 97v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds> eq
You are using:
<worn on head> a polished bone helm
<worn on eyes> a decorated leather eyepatch
<worn in ear> a bat-tooth earring
<worn in ear> a tiny golden earring
<worn on face> a black torturers mask
<worn around neck> an amulet of rotting flesh
<worn around neck> an amulet of rotting flesh
<worn on body> a suit of dwarven scale mail armor
<worn about body> a runed cloak
<worn as quiver> a black leather bandolier
<worn about waist> a girdle of giant strength
<worn on arms> a set of polished bone armplates
<worn around wrist> a shiny mithril bracelet
<worn around wrist> a pitch-black spider venom pouch
<worn on hands> a jeweled cestus
<worn on finger> a tiny ruby ring
<worn on finger> a jagged metal ring
<primary weapon> a slender green trident
<worn on legs> a pair of purple worm skin leggings
<worn on feet> a pair of hobnail boots

< 195h/351H 97v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: nasty wounds>
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You miss the ogre with your pierce.
You pierce the ogre extremely hard.

< 195h/351H 97v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> disarm ogre club
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
The ogre rises to his feet.
You pierce the ogre extremely hard.
You cause the ogre to fumble for his weapon.

< 196h/351H 93v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> disarm ogre club
You fail miserably in your attempt to disarm the ogre.
A slender green trident lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 196h/351H 93v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt>
The ogre is fumbling for a steady hold of his weapon.
The ogre misses you with his hit.

< 196h/351H 93v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> disarm ogre club
You fail miserably in your attempt to disarm the ogre.
A slender green trident lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 196h/351H 94v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> disarm ogre club

An Ankheg skitters east.
You make a great effort, and send the ogre's weapon crashing to the floor.
A long heavy warclub lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 196h/351H 94v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt>
The ogre finally regains full control of his weapon.
The ogre struggles to regain his weapon.
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.

< 196h/351H 94v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> get club
You do not see a club here.

< 196h/351H 94v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> disarm ogre club
You make a grave error in judgement, and lose control of your weapon.

< 197h/351H 90v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt>
disarm ogre club
You can't seem to get a firm, steady hold of your weapon.
You pierce the ogre extremely hard.

< 197h/351H 90v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> Impossible! You're already fumbling for your own weapon.

< 197h/351H 90v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt>

You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
The ogre makes a nice ballet step which plants a foot a mile above your head.
You finally regain full control of your weapon.
The ogre staggers from your fearsome pierce!

< 197h/351H 90v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt> disarm ogre club
Your disarming manuveur had no effect on the ogre.

< 197h/351H 85v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: pretty hurt>
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You dodge the ogre's vicious attack.
You land a mighty pierce on the ogre
You land a mighty pierce on the ogre

< 197h/351H 86v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
You fail miserably in your attempt to disarm the ogre.
A slender green trident lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 197h/351H 86v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
You fail miserably in your attempt to disarm the ogre.
A slender green trident lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 198h/351H 86v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
Your disarming manuveur had no effect on the ogre.

< 198h/351H 81v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
You fail miserably in your attempt to disarm the ogre.
A slender green trident lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 198h/351H 81v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful>
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You dodge a bash from the ogre, who loses his balance and falls.

< 198h/351H 81v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
You make a grave error in judgement, and lose control of your weapon.

< 198h/351H 77v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
Impossible! You're already fumbling for your own weapon.

< 198h/351H 77v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
Impossible! You're already fumbling for your own weapon.

< 198h/351H 77v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful>
The ogre hits you hard.
You can't seem to get a firm, steady hold of your weapon.
Your pierce enshrouds the ogre in a mist of blood!

< 186h/351H 77v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club

The ogre misses you with his hit.
The ogre misses you with his hit.
You finally regain full control of your weapon.
You miss the ogre with your pierce.
The ogre is nearly slain by the force of your pierce!

< 186h/351H 78v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> You make a great effort, and send the ogre's weapon crashing to the floor.
A long heavy warclub lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 186h/351H 78v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
You make a great effort, and send the ogre's weapon crashing to the floor.
A long heavy warclub lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 187h/351H 78v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful> disarm ogre club
You make a great effort, and send the ogre's weapon crashing to the floor.
A long heavy warclub lands on the floor.
Bug in disarm.

< 187h/351H 78v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: ogre EC: awful>
The ogre struggles to regain his weapon.
You successfully pierce the ogre, his lifeless body falls to the ground.
The ogre is dead! R.I.P.
You receive your share of experience.
save
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of the ogre.

****** Immediately after fight.

< 211h/351H 124v/132V >
<> attr

Character attributes for Laxlez

Level: 40 Race: Drow Elf Class: Rogue
Age: 138 yrs / 13 mths Height: 60 inches Weight: 101 lbs
STR: 100 AGI: 100 DEX: 100 CON: 79
POW: 58 INT: 40 WIS: 42 CHA: 44
Armor Class: 41 (100 to -100)
Hitroll: 24 Damroll: 13
Alignment: -1000 (-1000 to 1000)
Saving Throws: PAR[0] ROD[0] PET[0] BRE[0] SPE[0]
Wimpy: 70
Load carried: Moderate

******* This is the end of my next fight (where I was checking to see if my AC actually
was fubar'ed - it wasn't)

< 229h/351H 132v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: shambling EC: awful>
Your magic armor fades away.

< 230h/351H 132v/132V >
< T: Laxlez TC: few wounds E: shambling EC: awful>
You dodge a shambling mound's vicious attack.
A shambling mound misses you with its smash.
A shambling mound makes a nice ballet step which plants a foot a mile above your head.
A shambling mound is nearly slain by the force of your pierce!
A shambling mound is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.
You successfully pierce a shambling mound, its lifeless body falls to the ground.
a shambling mound is dead! R.I.P.
You receive your share of experience.
save
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of a shambling mound.

< 230h/351H 132v/132V >
<> Saving...

< 230h/351H 132v/132V >
<> attr

Character attributes for Laxlez

Level: 40 Race: Drow Elf Class: Rogue
Age: 138 yrs / 13 mths Height: 60 inches Weight: 101 lbs
STR: 100 AGI: 100 DEX: 100 CON: 79
POW: 58 INT: 40 WIS: 42 CHA: 44
Armor Class: 59 (100 to -100)
Hitroll: 24 Damroll: 13
Alignment: -1000 (-1000 to 1000)
Saving Throws: PAR[0] ROD[0] PET[0] BRE[0] SPE[0]
Wimpy: 70
Load carried: Moderate

[Ssryth]

I have noticed this with my warrior too - so much so after the fights I fail disarm in I need to rent out to fix my AC

Ssryth.

[Laxlez]

Here's another interesting snippet.. As soon as I phantom drop my weapon, my AC got 40 worse.. as soon as I caused the mob to phantom drop again, it went back to where it was supposed to be. (Note, my AC is 10 worse than I had said in the earlier post.. this was because of weight.. and may have also been the same in the previous post.. but that doesn't make the AC41 and AC59 earlier any less strange)

-Laxlez

[Laxlez]

And one other trial..

I did the same mob without disarming the primary weapon first.. same thing kept happening when I tried to disarm the secondary.. And this time, my AC went something like this...

-79
-39
-79
-39
1
-39
1
41
59

-Laxlez (who'll stop posting on this now and wait for a response)

[Nokie]

I've been complaining about this bug since alpha...

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Nokie 'No you don't!! That belongs to me!' Quickfingers

[Grungar]

Iunno, this has happened to me, too. The AC thing is a normal side effect of your disarming attempts. Why it's that way, I dunno. I got the bug thing after I tried disarming something, disarmed myself, and my weapon got ganked. So I was wielding a secondary and not a primary, and every time I tried to disarm after that, it'd say I fumbled and then there's a bug in disarm. I petitioned about it and I was told it was because I had dropped my primary weapon. I completely missed the fact that some bum picked it up. He met a nasty demise later.

- Grungar "Disarm self 99 (master)" Forgefire

[Laxlez]

Well.. as we all know, it doesn't just happen when you've dropped a primary (particularly when it doesn't actually drop, heh)..

And with regard to the loss of AC.. yeah, Kia told me that it's intentional.. and I can see how they'd want to make you easier to hit WHILE you were disarming.. but setting you back to NATURAL AC for 5 or more minutes after you've finished the fight seems extreme/illogical.

[Xyd]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Laxlez:
but setting you back to NATURAL AC for 5 or more minutes after you've finished the fight seems extreme/illogical.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's just as logical as the punishment for a missed headbutt.

.xyd

[Nokie]

As covered in other threads from before, I'll summarize each one and give a link:

Initial report of the disarm bug with examples from the mud. THIS IS MUCH LIKE Laxlez's post.
posted 04-18-2001 12:42 PM: http://www.sojourn3.org/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000135.html

Report of a mob being able to bash you when trying to pick up a disarm weapon even though they are bashed.
posted 06-23-2001 02:30 PM: http://www.sojourn3.org/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000458.html

Thread outlining the fact that your AC can get 50 points worse and stay that way for 5 RL minutes (5 in-game hours), and the question posed, "If the AC penalty is supposed to happen for whatever reason, what is the justification for it lasting 5 mud hours?
posted 06-06-2001 04:30 PM: http://www.sojourn3.org/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000375.html

Before Laxlez's post, a summary of the problem with posts by both Shevarash and an exasperated D2 stating that they know about it and will look at it.
posted 06-26-2001 06:21 PM: http://www.sojourn3.org/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000478.html

Personally I don't think I experience that bug anymore as I guess my skill is high enough to exceed whatver conditions gave it before, but it sure would be nice to see something changed about that, as it is illogical for the 50 point AC penalty to last for 5 game-hours.


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Nokie 'No you don't!! That belongs to me!' Quickfingers

[Elseenas]

RL Disarming:
There are a couple of methods of doing this, I assure you that if there is any risk in the attempt it is miniscule so long as you have a good sense of timing and have a weapon of your own (at least this is true with piercers, haven't tried it with slashing weapons other than knives).

MUD Disarming:

There is more discussion on penalties and such:
http://www.sojourn3.org/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000139.html




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Elseenas of No House Worth Mentioning