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No wonder there are few necros around

Postby old depok » Tue Jun 25, 2002 5:58 pm

So I decided to roll up a necro. Thought cool spells.

Here is my try at killing a rat...

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 112v/114V >
< P: std > con rat
The perfect match!

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 113v/114V >
< P: std >
It's a bit nippy here.

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 113v/114V >
< P: std > c 'magic missile' rat
You start chanting...

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: std >
You complete your spell...
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits a rat.

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: excellent E: rat EC: few scratches P: std >
A mighty bite from a rat makes you contemplate a new career!
OUCH! That really did HURT!
You land a mighty pierce on a rat!

< 13h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: few wounds E: rat EC: few wounds P: std > forget magic m
You purge 'magic missile' spell from your thoughts.

< 13h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: few wounds E: rat EC: few wounds P: std >
You gasp in pain from a rat's awesome bite!
YIKES! Another hit like that, and you've had it!!
You miss a rat with your pierce.

< 6h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: nasty wounds E: rat EC: few wounds P: std >
Your awesome pierce causes a rat to gasp in pain!

< 7h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: nasty wounds E: rat EC: pretty hurt P: std >
You gasp in pain from a rat's awesome bite!
YIKES! Another hit like that, and you've had it!!
In a Dark Plot of Churned Earth
Fresh dirt has been upheaved causing the ground to be twisted and
difficult to walk upon. Large dunes of earth seem to rise and fall
across this morbid scenery akin to the tides of the Trackless Sea.
Every twenty feet or so, a gnaled olive tree stands dying an ageless
death. Tall weeds sway back and forth to an uncanny tune as the wind
races through the branches of nearby trees. A tall rod iron fence can
be seen barring all escape from this dismal area.
- North - East - South
A rat is scavenging for food here.
You flee northward!

< 2h/20H 69p/69P 113v/114V >
< P: std > r
You sit down and relax.

< 2h/20H 69p/69P 113v/114V >
< P: sit >
< 2h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit > mem

You can memorize 1 1st circle spell(s).

< 3h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit > med
You start meditating...

< 4h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit > mem magic m
You are memorizing magic missile, which will take about 28 seconds.

< 4h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit >
A bat flutters in from the south.
An undead squirrel enters from the east.

< 7h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit >
You have finished memorizing magic missile.
Your studies are complete.
sta
wield dagger


< 7h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit > You clamber to your feet.

< 8h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: std > You do not seem to have the 'dagger'.

after resting a bit...

< 12h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: rcl > sta
s
c 'magic missile' rat
You clamber to your feet.

< 14h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: std > In a Dark Plot of Churned Earth
Fresh dirt has been upheaved causing the ground to be twisted and
difficult to walk upon. Large dunes of earth seem to rise and fall
across this morbid scenery akin to the tides of the Trackless Sea.
Every twenty feet or so, a gnaled olive tree stands dying an ageless
death. Tall weeds sway back and forth to an uncanny tune as the wind
races through the branches of nearby trees. A tall rod iron fence can
be seen barring all escape from this dismal area. A mausoleum of
white marble stands of to the west.
- North - West
A rat is scavenging for food here.
A necromancer apprentice is standing here, wondering aloud.

< 14h/20H 69p/69P 113v/114V >
< P: std > You start chanting...

< 14h/20H 69p/69P 113v/114V >
< P: std >
You complete your spell...
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits a rat.

< 15h/20H 69p/69P 113v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: small wounds E: rat EC: few wounds P: std >
Autosaving...

< 15h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: small wounds E: rat EC: few wounds P: std >
A mighty bite from a rat makes you contemplate a new career!
OUCH! That really did HURT!
Your awesome pierce causes a rat to gasp in pain!

< 9h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: nasty wounds E: rat EC: pretty hurt P: std >
A rat misses you with his bite.
You miss a rat with your pierce.

< 10h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: few wounds E: rat EC: pretty hurt P: std >
A bat flutters in from the west.

< 10h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: few wounds E: rat EC: pretty hurt P: std >
A rat enshrouds you in a mist of blood with his deadly bite!
YIKES! Another hit like that, and you've had it!!
You wish that your wounds would stop BLEEDING so much!

At the Entrance of a Marble Mausoleum
Two large, red, wooden doors stand here keeping the mausoleum's
secrets firm. At each side of the doors, a totem of stone rises
up to this tombs roof. Intricate carvings of sinister looking creatures
are stacked one upon the other in this awesome pillar. Brown smudges
of mud streak across the parts of the white marble floor, as if something
were dragged into the building. Off to one side of the entrance are
several piles of debris. The piles could be reagents for some sort
of mystical experiment as they are composed of wood, bone, and dirt.
- East - West
A papyrus scroll spellbook has been left here.
Corpse of Evis is lying here.
A hairless black undead squirrel is wandering about.
A hairless black undead squirrel is wandering about.
A rat is scavenging for food here.
A pale necromancer is here guarding the tombs entrance.
You flee westward!


This is after getting killed by the squirrel.

Come on. My stats are STR: mighty Dex ave agil ave Con Hero Int Perf

and I can't kill a rat in two runs!

I will never leave bloodstone because i wont be able to get any cash and will die from lack of food.

BOGGLE
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Postby old depok » Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:02 pm

Ok I am now a rat killer!

You see nothing special about him.
A rat is in excellent condition.


< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: std > c 'magic missile' rat
You start chanting...

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: std >
You complete your spell...
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits a rat.

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: excellent E: rat EC: small wounds P: std >
A rat misses you with his bite.
You miss a rat with your pierce.

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: excellent E: rat EC: small wounds P: std >
A rat misses you with his bite.
You miss a rat with your pierce.

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: excellent E: rat EC: small wounds P: std >
It's cold!

< 20h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: excellent E: rat EC: small wounds P: std >
A rat bites you hard.
A rat staggers from your fearsome pierce!

< 18h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: few scratches E: rat EC: few wounds P: std >
A mighty bite from a rat makes you contemplate a new career!
OUCH! That really did HURT!
Your pierce enshrouds a rat in a mist of blood!

< 11h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: few wounds E: rat EC: awful P: std >
A rat misses you with his bite.
You miss a rat with your pierce.

< 12h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< T: Evis TC: few wounds E: rat EC: awful P: std >
A rat misses you with his bite.
Your pierce enshrouds a rat in a mist of blood!
A rat is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.

< 13h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< E: rat EC: bleeding, close to death P: std >
You miss a rat with your pierce.
A rat is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.

< 13h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< E: rat EC: bleeding, close to death P: std > forget magic m

The first rays of sunlight signal the approaching day.

< 14h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< E: rat EC: bleeding, close to death P: std > You purge 'magic missile' spell from your thoughts.

< 14h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< E: rat EC: bleeding, close to death P: std >
A rat is nearly slain by the force of your pierce!
A rat is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided.

< 14h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< E: rat EC: bleeding, close to death P: std >
You successfully pierce a rat, his lifeless body falls to the ground.
A rat is dead! R.I.P.
You receive your share of experience.
get all corpse
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of a rat.

< 15h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: std > corpse of a rat appears to be empty.

< 15h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: std >
An undead squirrel leaves east.

That's right squirrel your mine when i get to level 2!
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Postby cherzra » Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:08 pm

Try the women and children in the houses just to the north of the necromancer's guild, or the fish in the pool Image

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Postby Tesil2 » Tue Jun 25, 2002 6:44 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by old depok:
<B>So I decided to roll up a necro. Thought cool spells.

P: std > forget magic m
You purge 'magic missile' spell from your thoughts.

< P: sit > mem

You can memorize 1 1st circle spell(s).

< 3h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit > med
You start meditating...

< 4h/20H 69p/69P 114v/114V >
< P: sit > mem magic m
You are memorizing magic missile, which will take about 28 seconds.


</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Out of curiosity....why did you keep doing this?
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Postby Karikhan » Wed Jun 26, 2002 1:27 am

Glad someone asked cause i noticed it too ... and was wondering the same thing

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Postby old depok » Wed Jun 26, 2002 3:40 pm

didnt realize i did.

There were a couple times that i thought i had it killed and forgot magic missile to mem pres.

Since you have to pres the corpse like 5 times to have any useful life on it and then you have to animate it (all of which take 28 secs to mem mind you) every second counts.

Lol lots of fun

thanks for the fish advice cherzra
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Postby Karikhan » Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:37 pm

28 sec for first circle spells?? man u are lucky Image

ever look at Ogre memtimes??

47 sec for first circle Image

Ambar > Rokub

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Postby Ragorn » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:04 am

Why bother animating?

I got to level 6 without my skeleton ever hitting the mob I was tanking. And they die in two hits from most level 5 mobs, so they're useless as tanks. Zombies are no better. They have 15 hit points also, and no hitting power. The third pets at least have 100 hit points, but they have what seems like +100AC and no hitting ability.

I gave up after that.

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Postby Guest » Thu Jun 27, 2002 9:28 am

1. I will probably be looking at the low-end necro pets sometime soon. The scenario is far better than when I modded them (didn't get any pets until 11th level, first caster pet at 31 instead of 16), but wanna make sure it's where it needs to be.

2. Necro pets at that level are best for throwing in front of the mob and dropping nukes on the mob. Helps if you're not fighting a warrior mob that switches, obviously.

3. The shadows you get at 16th are incredible (there are tactics that work with them quite well, ask a higher-level necro).
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Postby Kegor » Thu Jun 27, 2002 4:34 pm

I always enjoyed the fact that leveling a caster in general, was more difficult than hitter type classes. The payoffs in the end justify the hardships at the begining. I challenge anyone to roll up a first level mage of any type and attempt solo level with newbie eq. It can be done... however takes a lot more time and effort than other classes. Image
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Postby combatmedic » Thu Jun 27, 2002 5:03 pm

Yeah, you are telling me! I rolled an invoker, and in as much time as it took me to get this guy to lvl 16, my paly would get up to lvl 25 or so. This is much harder than a tanking class.

Con chicken
Easy.

Flee!

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Postby Kallinar » Thu Jun 27, 2002 11:23 pm

Bah we all know why there aren't many Necromancers pouring out of Bloodstone these days. Evil Necromancers rock the game hardcore. Goodie necromancers get the crap kicked out of em for entering goodie hometowns with their pets in tow. Major goodie suckage.

Kallinar sends you sprawling with a powerful BOO!
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Postby Morvaane » Fri Jun 28, 2002 4:52 pm

The shadows we get at 16th are incredible? I havent really been able to accomplish much with the shadows at all...and the ghoul and wight are practically identical, heck the ghoul might be a little better. Ive tried on many an occasion to do well with my necro, and always end up frustrated at just how quickly my undead die.
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Postby old depok » Mon Jul 01, 2002 1:01 pm

Found the solution to playing a low level necro...

I rolled up a bard, gave him my level 30 rog gear and solo'd him to level 12 in about the same time it took me to get the necro to level 2 with newbie gear.

While I appreciate the challange of leveling a caster I already have a shaman and that was hard enough (which I know is easy compared to the true caster types).

Well off to sing some more mobs to death (with my voice it won't be difficult!)
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Postby Ragorn » Mon Jul 01, 2002 5:14 pm

Iyachtu:

I often found it completely pointless to animate, particularly before level 10. To animate a corpse for any length of time, you need to spend 30+ seconds memming an animate spell, and 20+ seconds per preserve. Then if you want to load up on nukes, you mem all over again to forget the animate and preserve and mem your chills and missiles. After 60-90 seconds of memming at the very least, you're ready to go with a skeleton or zombie who typically dies by the fourth round of combat.

I found it much more time economical to just suck up the damage and tank myself. Flee/nuking on slightly higher mobs is FAR faster than spending the time to animate. Like I said, I never made it to 16 so I can't speak for shadows.

Honestly speaking, it's cool that they have pets from level 1. But seen from a time-efficiency perspective, right now it's faster to play them as if they didn't have pets.

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Postby torkur » Mon Jul 01, 2002 11:21 pm

All mage types are not really worth casting spells below level 5 (with the possible exception of chill touch on an invoker), just use your dagger and flee like mad.

You can level once per 4-6 RL hours solo under level 11 if you're good at playing casters, every 8 hours or so per level solo after that if you know where to go.

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