Skullsmasher
Skullsmasher
I'm not sure if there is another thread that has already discussed this but wow, skullsmasher sucks. I mean literally. Ok it has 8d3 5/5 but its an uber rare and half the group bids on it when kost is found so its a sought after item. Could ast least be 8d4 5/5? Just a thought.
Second point. When skullsmasher procs it says you HIT the opponent and then they CRASH to their knees. Well you definetly don't hit your opponent and they definetly don't crash anywhere cause it does no damage. So you lose your attack that round, then you MAY hit the mob the next round and then before you can attack them again the next round they are standing again. Could we possibly have some damage dealt from the proc itself and then possibly have the procced mob stay down an extra round or something. This is a great weapon in one respect. It looks cool.
Finally, I know people will gripe and say this weapon is made to proc things that can't be bashed. Well I'm sorry, but most casting mobs are bashable, and if they aren't they are stunned, silenced, or choked way before this proc will ever go off considering no warriors even use this weapon in the first place. It's just a dang trophy item. If your thinking its used on warrior mobs that switch because they can't be bashed well every caster class has a blind spell, not to mention the 2 or 3 warriors that auto-rescue in a split second.
All I'm saying is this weapon might need to be looked at because its way cool but worthless at the same time. What are everybody's thoughts?
Second point. When skullsmasher procs it says you HIT the opponent and then they CRASH to their knees. Well you definetly don't hit your opponent and they definetly don't crash anywhere cause it does no damage. So you lose your attack that round, then you MAY hit the mob the next round and then before you can attack them again the next round they are standing again. Could we possibly have some damage dealt from the proc itself and then possibly have the procced mob stay down an extra round or something. This is a great weapon in one respect. It looks cool.
Finally, I know people will gripe and say this weapon is made to proc things that can't be bashed. Well I'm sorry, but most casting mobs are bashable, and if they aren't they are stunned, silenced, or choked way before this proc will ever go off considering no warriors even use this weapon in the first place. It's just a dang trophy item. If your thinking its used on warrior mobs that switch because they can't be bashed well every caster class has a blind spell, not to mention the 2 or 3 warriors that auto-rescue in a split second.
All I'm saying is this weapon might need to be looked at because its way cool but worthless at the same time. What are everybody's thoughts?
Oh goodness I'm sorry, there is one other thing to note. I forgot to mention that occasionally when the proc goes off, the mob is bashed (well maybe I should say gently laid to the ground, because even bash does damage) but then will immediately get up before any attacks can be made. i.e. gets up the VERY next round. Just had to throw that extra tidbit in.
I've wanted to comment on Skullsmasher for awhile, and haven't gotten around to it.
I agree that it would be nice for the proc to do some damage. Considering you are hitting the mob with enough force to knock them down, I think it would be nice to at least get a normal hit damage out of the strike. Ideally greater, but I understand balance has to be considered.
The damage argument comes into play stronger when you look at hitting giants and other !bash creatures with the hammer. While I would personally love for Kostchtchie's hammer to be able to bash his followers, I doubt that's going to happen. But if the hammer procs on a giant mob, the round is REALLY lost because it does no damage on the proc hit.
Can you please enable the hammer to cause damage when it procs, as well as the knockdown on smaller creatures?
Oh, and any idea why I never seem to get my occasional bonus attack for bein a cool elf?
Ashemiem Autumnmoon
Crusador for Corellon
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Mplor group-says 'dugmaren must be very proud... he levels us up in smoke and de-levels us in muspelheim'
I agree that it would be nice for the proc to do some damage. Considering you are hitting the mob with enough force to knock them down, I think it would be nice to at least get a normal hit damage out of the strike. Ideally greater, but I understand balance has to be considered.
The damage argument comes into play stronger when you look at hitting giants and other !bash creatures with the hammer. While I would personally love for Kostchtchie's hammer to be able to bash his followers, I doubt that's going to happen. But if the hammer procs on a giant mob, the round is REALLY lost because it does no damage on the proc hit.
Can you please enable the hammer to cause damage when it procs, as well as the knockdown on smaller creatures?
Oh, and any idea why I never seem to get my occasional bonus attack for bein a cool elf?
Ashemiem Autumnmoon
Crusador for Corellon
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Mplor group-says 'dugmaren must be very proud... he levels us up in smoke and de-levels us in muspelheim'
Woah where do you get your information?
It identifies as 8d3 5/5, is the identify wrong? Also, I've had one for quite some time and have done many tests...it NEVER keeps a mob down for more than one round and occasionaly the bashed mobs will stand the very next round...somebody help me out with this please. I don't know where your getting your facts.
It identifies as 8d3 5/5, is the identify wrong? Also, I've had one for quite some time and have done many tests...it NEVER keeps a mob down for more than one round and occasionaly the bashed mobs will stand the very next round...somebody help me out with this please. I don't know where your getting your facts.
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Heh, let me try it this way.
1. It's 8d4 5 5 (yours probably got cursed)
2. It bashes for 4-5 rounds.
Rockcrusher is dwarf only, and bashes giants, but only for 2-3 rounds. Thus vs. giants, yes crusher is better, but vs. no-bash (non-ogre) mobs that are not giants, you want smasher.
Dug
[This message has been edited by Dugmaren (edited 08-07-2002).]
1. It's 8d4 5 5 (yours probably got cursed)
2. It bashes for 4-5 rounds.
Rockcrusher is dwarf only, and bashes giants, but only for 2-3 rounds. Thus vs. giants, yes crusher is better, but vs. no-bash (non-ogre) mobs that are not giants, you want smasher.
Dug
[This message has been edited by Dugmaren (edited 08-07-2002).]
It is initally 8D4 however if it's been in the possesion of a cleric then chances are the dice will be lower. Every time a weapon gets cursed it's dice go down, 8d4, 8d3, 8d2 etc. Usually a cleric is trying to curse a mob in the room and do to a bug in the target code, cast 'curse' mob will curse any item in the clerics inventory that happen to have the same keyword as the mob name before it will curse the mob even if the player is engaged.
I cursed mine so I wouldn't have to worry about tossing it in the drink somewhere. But I always wield it, with very occasional exceptions. Who needs to walk around with a couple of orbs anyway? Go Offense skill!
Ashemiem
P.S. Can the proc please do damage? *wink*
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Mplor group-says 'dugmaren must be very proud... he levels us up in smoke and de-levels us in muspelheim'
Ashemiem
P.S. Can the proc please do damage? *wink*
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Mplor group-says 'dugmaren must be very proud... he levels us up in smoke and de-levels us in muspelheim'
I spent like over a year debating both these weapons with the staff.
the proc on skullsmasher is dependant on your level and crap. The bigger you are the harder they fall and the longer they stay down. Also, dont forget that it has pfc...that IS a good permenant.
There are plenty of mobs out there that rockcrusher cant bash. They are both great weapons even if the dwarven one is better...did you expect anything else?
I know for a fact though that Smasher wont get changed. So garg dont even have to bother replying to the proc questions. (we already asked)
btw its not good form to question to intent of a weapon since neither you, i, or anyone else here truly knows. Just accept that it procs bash, is a great weapon, and that its "intent" has most definitly changed as this is a completely different mud from when it was created.
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Gormal Stoneforge -Hammerstrike-
"Forward Mithrilguard!"
[This message has been edited by Gormal (edited 08-08-2002).]
the proc on skullsmasher is dependant on your level and crap. The bigger you are the harder they fall and the longer they stay down. Also, dont forget that it has pfc...that IS a good permenant.
There are plenty of mobs out there that rockcrusher cant bash. They are both great weapons even if the dwarven one is better...did you expect anything else?
I know for a fact though that Smasher wont get changed. So garg dont even have to bother replying to the proc questions. (we already asked)
btw its not good form to question to intent of a weapon since neither you, i, or anyone else here truly knows. Just accept that it procs bash, is a great weapon, and that its "intent" has most definitly changed as this is a completely different mud from when it was created.
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Gormal Stoneforge -Hammerstrike-
"Forward Mithrilguard!"
[This message has been edited by Gormal (edited 08-08-2002).]
< T: Ashemiem TC: few wounds E: practicing EC: nasty wounds P: std > Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a rugged looking minotaur sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
You start chanting...
< 594h/964H 125v/125V >
< E: practicing EC: nasty wounds P: std >
An example of what Rylan was talking about.
Ashemiem Autumnmoon
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Mplor group-says 'dugmaren must be very proud... he levels us up in smoke and de-levels us in muspelheim'
a rugged looking minotaur sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
You start chanting...
< 594h/964H 125v/125V >
< E: practicing EC: nasty wounds P: std >
An example of what Rylan was talking about.
Ashemiem Autumnmoon
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Mplor group-says 'dugmaren must be very proud... he levels us up in smoke and de-levels us in muspelheim'
Here is the bug I'm talking about again:
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V T: Touk TC: few wounds E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Torkur completes his spell...
Torkur utters the words, 'gaiebragh'
The spell cast by Torkur harmlessly evaporates around a beautiful succubus.
A beautiful succubus parries Jarikon's lunge at it.
A beautiful succubus parries Jarikon's lunge at it.
A beautiful succubus parries Durgn's lunge at it.
Talomis shivers from the cold, as he hits a beautiful succubus.
Talomis shivers from the cold, as he hits a beautiful succubus.
A beautiful succubus dodges your futile attack.
Lalor shivers from the cold, as he hits a beautiful succubus.
A beautiful succubus parries Touk's lunge at it.
Touk deflects a beautiful succubus's blow, and strikes back at a beautiful succubus!
Touk's huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits his victim.
it sways for a moment and crashes down upon its knees.
Daalgar looks at Touk.
Lilithelle starts casting an offensive spell.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Bailen starts casting a spell.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Cullen starts casting a spell.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Ranor completes his spell...
Ranor utters the words, 'curse'
The spell cast by Ranor harmlessly evaporates around a beautiful succubus.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V T: Ranor TC: excellent E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V T: Touk TC: few wounds E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Torkur completes his spell...
Torkur utters the words, 'gaiebragh'
The spell cast by Torkur harmlessly evaporates around a beautiful succubus.
A beautiful succubus parries Jarikon's lunge at it.
A beautiful succubus parries Jarikon's lunge at it.
A beautiful succubus parries Durgn's lunge at it.
Talomis shivers from the cold, as he hits a beautiful succubus.
Talomis shivers from the cold, as he hits a beautiful succubus.
A beautiful succubus dodges your futile attack.
Lalor shivers from the cold, as he hits a beautiful succubus.
A beautiful succubus parries Touk's lunge at it.
Touk deflects a beautiful succubus's blow, and strikes back at a beautiful succubus!
Touk's huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits his victim.
it sways for a moment and crashes down upon its knees.
Daalgar looks at Touk.
Lilithelle starts casting an offensive spell.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Bailen starts casting a spell.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Cullen starts casting a spell.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Ranor completes his spell...
Ranor utters the words, 'curse'
The spell cast by Ranor harmlessly evaporates around a beautiful succubus.
< 1139h/1139H 121v/121V T: Ranor TC: excellent E: succubus EC: few scratches P: std >
Ok heres what I'm talking about...
< 260h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: small wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Hlaund soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
< 261h/335H 131v/131V >
< E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
You land a mighty crush on a House Hlaund soldier!
< 264h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: small wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
A House Hlaund soldier hits you.
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier rises to his feet.
You miss a House Hlaund soldier with your crush.
< 254h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: small wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier hits you hard.
A House Hlaund soldier makes a nice ballet step which plants a foot a mile above your head.
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Hlaund soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
You land a mighty crush on a House Hlaund soldier!
< 236h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
A House Hlaund soldier hits you hard.
Your awesome crush causes a House Hlaund soldier to gasp in pain!
< 220h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier rises to his feet.
You miss a House Hlaund soldier with your crush.
Your awesome crush causes a House Hlaund soldier to gasp in pain!
< 223h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier hits you hard.
You miss a House Hlaund soldier with your crush.
< 211h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful > bash
As a House Hlaund soldier avoids your bash, you topple over and fall to the ground.
< 213h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful > stand
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
A House Hlaund soldier dodges your futile attack.
< 157h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Hlaund soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
< 133h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier rises to his feet.
A House Hlaund soldier is nearly slain by the force of your crush!
A House Hlaund soldier dodges your futile attack.
< 115h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful > You clamber to your feet.
As you can see, 2 out of 3 times the bash lasted 2 rounds and then the other time it lasted 1 round. I heard somebody say that it lasts longer if your higher level? What is that about? heh
< 260h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: small wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Hlaund soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
< 261h/335H 131v/131V >
< E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
You land a mighty crush on a House Hlaund soldier!
< 264h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: small wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
A House Hlaund soldier hits you.
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier rises to his feet.
You miss a House Hlaund soldier with your crush.
< 254h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: small wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier hits you hard.
A House Hlaund soldier makes a nice ballet step which plants a foot a mile above your head.
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Hlaund soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
You land a mighty crush on a House Hlaund soldier!
< 236h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
A House Hlaund soldier hits you hard.
Your awesome crush causes a House Hlaund soldier to gasp in pain!
< 220h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier rises to his feet.
You miss a House Hlaund soldier with your crush.
Your awesome crush causes a House Hlaund soldier to gasp in pain!
< 223h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier hits you hard.
You miss a House Hlaund soldier with your crush.
< 211h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful > bash
As a House Hlaund soldier avoids your bash, you topple over and fall to the ground.
< 213h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: few wounds E: soldier EC: awful > stand
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
A House Hlaund soldier dodges your futile attack.
< 157h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Hlaund soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
< 133h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A House Hlaund soldier hits you extremely hard.
A House Hlaund soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Hlaund soldier rises to his feet.
A House Hlaund soldier is nearly slain by the force of your crush!
A House Hlaund soldier dodges your futile attack.
< 115h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful > You clamber to your feet.
As you can see, 2 out of 3 times the bash lasted 2 rounds and then the other time it lasted 1 round. I heard somebody say that it lasts longer if your higher level? What is that about? heh
Here it is AGAIN.
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
You parry a House Aleanrahel soldier's lunge at you.
A House Aleanrahel soldier rises to his feet.
You miss a House Aleanrahel soldier with your crush.
< 110h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt > l
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
Before the House Aleanrahel Slave Pen
-E -W
A House Aleanrahel soldier stands here, fighting YOU!
< 112h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Aleanrahel soldier makes a nice ballet step which plants a foot a mile above your head.
You land a mighty crush on a House Aleanrahel soldier!
< 113h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful > *** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
bash
As a House Aleanrahel soldier avoids your bash, you topple over and fall to the ground.
stand
< 115h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Aleanrahel soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
< 116h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A mighty hit from a House Aleanrahel soldier makes you contemplate a new career!
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Aleanrahel soldier rises to his feet.
You land a mighty crush on a House Aleanrahel soldier!
Your crush enshrouds a House Aleanrahel soldier in a mist of blood!
At least just allow a hit to be made with the proc instead of losing the hit. It's pointless.
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
You parry a House Aleanrahel soldier's lunge at you.
A House Aleanrahel soldier rises to his feet.
You miss a House Aleanrahel soldier with your crush.
< 110h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt > l
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
Before the House Aleanrahel Slave Pen
-E -W
A House Aleanrahel soldier stands here, fighting YOU!
< 112h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: pretty hurt >
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Aleanrahel soldier makes a nice ballet step which plants a foot a mile above your head.
You land a mighty crush on a House Aleanrahel soldier!
< 113h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful > *** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
bash
As a House Aleanrahel soldier avoids your bash, you topple over and fall to the ground.
stand
< 115h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
Your huge cold-iron hammer glows brightly as it hits your victim.
a House Aleanrahel soldier sways for a moment and crashes down upon his knees.
< 116h/335H 131v/131V >
< T: Ugrax TC: nasty wounds E: soldier EC: awful >
*** Ugrax needs HEAL ***
A mighty hit from a House Aleanrahel soldier makes you contemplate a new career!
A House Aleanrahel soldier misses you with his hit.
A House Aleanrahel soldier rises to his feet.
You land a mighty crush on a House Aleanrahel soldier!
Your crush enshrouds a House Aleanrahel soldier in a mist of blood!
At least just allow a hit to be made with the proc instead of losing the hit. It's pointless.
Not to be too rude...but yer pretty clueless. You are 2hing a weapon with 8d4 dice. (i dont care if you got screwed or not. the weapon is 8d4) its also got a rare prot. The proc is cabable of bashing plenty of mobs that normally you cant bash.
So you lose one hit...oh freaking no. the proc does NOT suck. If you think it does then go pond your hammer so I don't have to lay awake nights worrying that someone unworthy has one. When you wield a gythka you lose every crit hit because of the proc. deal with it and move on. Its one of the best weapons in the game.
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Gormal Stoneforge -Hammerstrike-
"Forward Mithrilguard!"
So you lose one hit...oh freaking no. the proc does NOT suck. If you think it does then go pond your hammer so I don't have to lay awake nights worrying that someone unworthy has one. When you wield a gythka you lose every crit hit because of the proc. deal with it and move on. Its one of the best weapons in the game.
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Gormal Stoneforge -Hammerstrike-
"Forward Mithrilguard!"
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kiaransalee:
Not giving anything away about the proc, the time the mob is "downed" isn't like bash where it's a constant. It's a variable based on something that I'm not going to tell you </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme<deep breath>
tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme
i dont even have the crappy hammer im just nosey so tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme
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Thanuk Pantherclaw
Not giving anything away about the proc, the time the mob is "downed" isn't like bash where it's a constant. It's a variable based on something that I'm not going to tell you </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme<deep breath>
tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme
i dont even have the crappy hammer im just nosey so tellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellmetellme
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Thanuk Pantherclaw
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