Elves rally!!
Elves rally!!
alright, I'm an elf junkie. My invoker char is an elf and he just got mooshed. I figured that since other <20 chars can get a ress, so can't I? Too bad I lost that 20% that would have put me... oh so much closer to getting off the island. So yeah umm... why are we 2x penalaized again? I understand that elves could get ress'd on the mainland get get teleported there. But I'm on EM soil and I can't get a ress? That's just discrimination.
Also I understand that is how it is coded, so that elves, no matter where they are, can't get a ress until they're above level 20. But since we were removed that privledge b/c people decided to ress onto the mainland doesn't mean that we should lose the privledge on our on soil.
If you're going to make elves the hardest goodie race to play, please at least give us an island to call our own where only we can go. That's what Evermeet was supposed to be anyway. Maybe the randomly lucky person got to visit, but other than that, the traditional EM was to the elves only.
I'm not advocating that EM should be anything more special than any other zones in the mud. I'm just simply asking that since the elves are the hardest goodie race at least give us a reason to be elves! Make EM untraversable by any other race on Faerun, or let elves >20 ress. If the island is so badass that we need to stay here until 20, at least make other people wonder what's on it...
Edit: messed up the < and >, thanks Lenefir
[This message has been edited by Selias (edited 12-15-2002).]
Also I understand that is how it is coded, so that elves, no matter where they are, can't get a ress until they're above level 20. But since we were removed that privledge b/c people decided to ress onto the mainland doesn't mean that we should lose the privledge on our on soil.
If you're going to make elves the hardest goodie race to play, please at least give us an island to call our own where only we can go. That's what Evermeet was supposed to be anyway. Maybe the randomly lucky person got to visit, but other than that, the traditional EM was to the elves only.
I'm not advocating that EM should be anything more special than any other zones in the mud. I'm just simply asking that since the elves are the hardest goodie race at least give us a reason to be elves! Make EM untraversable by any other race on Faerun, or let elves >20 ress. If the island is so badass that we need to stay here until 20, at least make other people wonder what's on it...
Edit: messed up the < and >, thanks Lenefir
[This message has been edited by Selias (edited 12-15-2002).]
I think the mud is losely based on 2nd edition rules.
But anyway, it would be nice to be able to res elves on EM. I have no idea how much of a coding nightmare that would be however. Or maybe just make it so you can't drag elf corpses under level 20 through a portal, and remove the res restriction? Maybe that would be easier to code up.
But anyway, it would be nice to be able to res elves on EM. I have no idea how much of a coding nightmare that would be however. Or maybe just make it so you can't drag elf corpses under level 20 through a portal, and remove the res restriction? Maybe that would be easier to code up.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Malacar:
<B>I don't see him quoting any particular edition, so it can go either way.
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Well, he said that elves couldn't be ressed at all. Thus, I'm sure he isn't talking about Santa's Elvish toymakers. Then you responded with elves CAN be ressed in DnD, so you are probably referring to third edition where they can be ressed. I'll repeat and expound- you can play with any edition of DnD you want to. From what I can tell, this mud is based on second edition DnD. So, in the end, his point really isn't moot. Lump it up, elf boy =9
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<B>I don't see him quoting any particular edition, so it can go either way.
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Well, he said that elves couldn't be ressed at all. Thus, I'm sure he isn't talking about Santa's Elvish toymakers. Then you responded with elves CAN be ressed in DnD, so you are probably referring to third edition where they can be ressed. I'll repeat and expound- you can play with any edition of DnD you want to. From what I can tell, this mud is based on second edition DnD. So, in the end, his point really isn't moot. Lump it up, elf boy =9
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Yayaril:
<B> I'll repeat and expound- you can play with any edition of DnD you want to. From what I can tell, this mud is based on second edition DnD. So, in the end, his point really isn't moot. Lump it up, elf boy =9
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Yes, and I was quoting you.
Do you?
Don't forget, based on means not exact.. Thus monks could easily exist. So really, both of us are arguing a moot point, yes?
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Malacar - omg ymir!
Tanji ASSOC:: 'god was blueballed the night before he made Thanuk'
[This message has been edited by Malacar (edited 12-15-2002).]
<B> I'll repeat and expound- you can play with any edition of DnD you want to. From what I can tell, this mud is based on second edition DnD. So, in the end, his point really isn't moot. Lump it up, elf boy =9
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Yes, and I was quoting you.
Do you?
Don't forget, based on means not exact.. Thus monks could easily exist. So really, both of us are arguing a moot point, yes?
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Malacar - omg ymir!
Tanji ASSOC:: 'god was blueballed the night before he made Thanuk'
[This message has been edited by Malacar (edited 12-15-2002).]
Alright, I understand that sub20 xp is easy, but still, why can't elves ress at least on EM? I had my voker up to 90% or so to level 20, died, no ress, and am now at 66%. That 24% is equal to 10-12 solo kills on the xp mobs on the island. Let's say that each kill takes 4mins (prep, battle, mem). I just lost 40-50mins of my time where I have to be bored to tears on EM again instead of being able to hop on the mainland and actually find a group or two.
The elves are penalized, and granted this is only a small one, but there are others. Evils are penalized, but at least they have innates to make up for it. It is a simple problem to fix, and a simple question to answer.
Why do the elves get the shaft over arguably every other race in the game (cept maybe yuanti)? It seems that elves get jack and sh*t, and I haven't seen jack around lately.
Not meant as insulting, I just really want to know what makes us so special that we receive such bad treatment.
The elves are penalized, and granted this is only a small one, but there are others. Evils are penalized, but at least they have innates to make up for it. It is a simple problem to fix, and a simple question to answer.
Why do the elves get the shaft over arguably every other race in the game (cept maybe yuanti)? It seems that elves get jack and sh*t, and I haven't seen jack around lately.
Not meant as insulting, I just really want to know what makes us so special that we receive such bad treatment.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Selias:
Evils are penalized, but at least they have innates to make up for it. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah. Innates make up for having only a few ppl online 90% of the day!
Type who evil s, then who good s, and rethink your brilliant statement.
Evils are penalized, but at least they have innates to make up for it. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah. Innates make up for having only a few ppl online 90% of the day!
Type who evil s, then who good s, and rethink your brilliant statement.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by cherzra:
<B> Yeah. Innates make up for having only a few ppl online 90% of the day!
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Don't you know it! Every time we're about to go somewhere and then the resser logs, why, all the group leader needs to do is say "OK all you illithid/drow, start LEVITATING" and then all the problems are solved! You Neutrals shouldn't let us keep getting away this.
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Thus spake Shevarash: "Invokers are not going to be removed"
<B> Yeah. Innates make up for having only a few ppl online 90% of the day!
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Don't you know it! Every time we're about to go somewhere and then the resser logs, why, all the group leader needs to do is say "OK all you illithid/drow, start LEVITATING" and then all the problems are solved! You Neutrals shouldn't let us keep getting away this.
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Thus spake Shevarash: "Invokers are not going to be removed"
I didn't say that innates make up for the fact that more people choose to play good chars. I'm sorry if that's what you thought Cherz, but I meant that their innates make up for the prejudice that their races get b/c of wandering aggros and harder hometowns.
EM has wandering aggros, granted they are only a %load, but many newbies have died to the manticore that likes to load on the main road. Also being a sub20 elf leaves maybe 2 or 3 other people to group with until you're level 20 and can get to the mainland. None of the other races are hardcoded to be segregated like that, so why elves?
Do we get something special that I don't know about? If so someone pls tell me ingame so I can put this to rest.
EM has wandering aggros, granted they are only a %load, but many newbies have died to the manticore that likes to load on the main road. Also being a sub20 elf leaves maybe 2 or 3 other people to group with until you're level 20 and can get to the mainland. None of the other races are hardcoded to be segregated like that, so why elves?
Do we get something special that I don't know about? If so someone pls tell me ingame so I can put this to rest.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Xisiqomelir:
<B> You Neutrals shouldn't let us keep getting away this.
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Not much us neutrals can do. That race of female trolls you guys have tanking for you are hardcore bashers!
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Goddamned slippery mage.
<B> You Neutrals shouldn't let us keep getting away this.
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Not much us neutrals can do. That race of female trolls you guys have tanking for you are hardcore bashers!
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Goddamned slippery mage.
"I think the mud is losely based on 2nd edition rules."
Actually, I think it's mostly 1st edition. Some classes resembled their 1st edition versions more than anything else until various tweaks and additions were put in with time.
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You fire a black-shafted elven arrow to the east at Gormal's pet goat with masterful shooting that does lethal damage!
You receive your share of experience.
Actually, I think it's mostly 1st edition. Some classes resembled their 1st edition versions more than anything else until various tweaks and additions were put in with time.
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You fire a black-shafted elven arrow to the east at Gormal's pet goat with masterful shooting that does lethal damage!
You receive your share of experience.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by oteb:
<B>You have infra, easy to get -100ac even for caster, fastest memtimes and Lilithelle. Isn't that enough?
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agree on lilithelle! but gnomes have fastest mem time for goodie caster
<B>You have infra, easy to get -100ac even for caster, fastest memtimes and Lilithelle. Isn't that enough?
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agree on lilithelle! but gnomes have fastest mem time for goodie caster
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Ashiwi:
We are elves, and there are high prices to pay for innate coolness.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Like being shoved in lockers and wedgies!
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How to go from Waelos to Weylarii.
Weylarii group-says 'oh shit! my penis is stuck in the toaster. afk'
We are elves, and there are high prices to pay for innate coolness.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Like being shoved in lockers and wedgies!
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How to go from Waelos to Weylarii.
Weylarii group-says 'oh shit! my penis is stuck in the toaster. afk'
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Iktar:
<B> agree on lilithelle! but gnomes have fastest mem time for goodie caster
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Gnomes don't mem faster than elves, at best their even although I think their a notch or two behind.
<B> agree on lilithelle! but gnomes have fastest mem time for goodie caster
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Gnomes don't mem faster than elves, at best their even although I think their a notch or two behind.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Iktar:
<B> agree on lilithelle! but gnomes have fastest mem time for goodie caster
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This is not so. Elves are the fastest good raced memmers.
They were equal to Gnomes earlier in the wipe, but this was changed over the summer.
I will look into a fix for the sub-20th elven ress situation.
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<B>Shevarash -- Code Forger of Sojourn3
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<B> agree on lilithelle! but gnomes have fastest mem time for goodie caster
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This is not so. Elves are the fastest good raced memmers.
They were equal to Gnomes earlier in the wipe, but this was changed over the summer.
I will look into a fix for the sub-20th elven ress situation.
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<B>Shevarash -- Code Forger of Sojourn3
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Is this really that big a deal that we should have coders looking into this rather than fixing/adding other features? Elves are hard to level, this is known. We are tougher than your run of the mill dwarf/human Chars on the mainland can do a lot of things those of us on the island couldn't. I personally like the extra challange,
Belle
Belle
if you dont like the restrictions play a diff race...this comming from an elf...elves are penalized yes...do i see a hige reason for it no elves suck as a hitter class dont do a whole lot as casters till there off the island theres no such thing as an elven tank so its even harder i play em any way because i enjoy the chalenge...isnt that what mudding is about being challenged and having fun?....somone please set me strait if my veiws on playing a game are wrong...
Saying "if you don't like it, don't play it" is a cop out to the 8millionth degree.
Really wish people would throw out the broken record.
And this is not directed solely at you, Amolol, nor is it intended as an 'attack'. Hope it is not taken as such.
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Malacar - omg ymir!
Tanji ASSOC:: 'god was blueballed the night before he made Thanuk'
Really wish people would throw out the broken record.
And this is not directed solely at you, Amolol, nor is it intended as an 'attack'. Hope it is not taken as such.
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Malacar - omg ymir!
Tanji ASSOC:: 'god was blueballed the night before he made Thanuk'
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Shevarash:
<B>I will look into a fix for the sub-20th elven ress situation.
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Hey Shevy,
I think Iuz and I had this out a few months earlier. Basically you can't be ressed <20 because your corpse could be dragged to the mainland. However, they DID make it so that if you lose 20 on the mainland and are then 19.8 or whatever, you can be ressed back.
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Shevarash responds to your petition with 'You are the wind beneath my wings.'
<B>I will look into a fix for the sub-20th elven ress situation.
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Hey Shevy,
I think Iuz and I had this out a few months earlier. Basically you can't be ressed <20 because your corpse could be dragged to the mainland. However, they DID make it so that if you lose 20 on the mainland and are then 19.8 or whatever, you can be ressed back.
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Shevarash responds to your petition with 'You are the wind beneath my wings.'
no offence taken and i will do my best to not repeat others in the future but i think that it is a vallid point...one should do there reaserch before they play a charictor...there are things that i dont like about elves but i stick with it and dont complain for it is the will of the gods that this is so ....ive learned not to question those who are more powerful than me...tomuch
You should -always- question those 'above' you. Just do it quietly and politely, they're not always right.
I've played an elf for years and years.. I still have issues with the way they are handled, but hey, I am not going to stop playing them because I have a few complaints. I'll just keep lobbying for change.
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Malacar - omg ymir!
Tanji ASSOC:: 'god was blueballed the night before he made Thanuk'
I've played an elf for years and years.. I still have issues with the way they are handled, but hey, I am not going to stop playing them because I have a few complaints. I'll just keep lobbying for change.
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Malacar - omg ymir!
Tanji ASSOC:: 'god was blueballed the night before he made Thanuk'
Amolol: "no offence taken and i will do my best to not repeat others in the future but i think that it is a vallid point...one should do there reaserch before they play a charictor"
And how would someone playing for the first time research a character? Remember, nothing about the unique hardships of many races are mentioned in the helpfiles.
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You fire a black-shafted elven arrow to the east at Gormal's pet goat with masterful shooting that does lethal damage!
You receive your share of experience.
And how would someone playing for the first time research a character? Remember, nothing about the unique hardships of many races are mentioned in the helpfiles.
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You fire a black-shafted elven arrow to the east at Gormal's pet goat with masterful shooting that does lethal damage!
You receive your share of experience.
Shev: thanks for this... I'd even be happy if you made it so that no sub20 chars can get res'd. At least then it would be an even playing field.
Amolol: I've been playing either a half-elf or a grey elf, starting on EM ever since I started this mud some 7 years ago. I know all about their hardships and their challenges. They're my favorite race, and *I* can deal with it, but what about the new players (if we have any these days) that don't know about elves. The fact that you basically have to solo to 20 is ridiculous, especially for casters w/o any gear. I remember dying to sparrows in the parks in Leuth at the start of this wipe.
As I've said before the elves get the shaft in several areas. This whole ress situation is just one of them that I felt should be pointed out. All in all, I still don't get why elves are restricted to the island until level 20. Is this just b/c it's a grandfathered rule?
Amolol: I've been playing either a half-elf or a grey elf, starting on EM ever since I started this mud some 7 years ago. I know all about their hardships and their challenges. They're my favorite race, and *I* can deal with it, but what about the new players (if we have any these days) that don't know about elves. The fact that you basically have to solo to 20 is ridiculous, especially for casters w/o any gear. I remember dying to sparrows in the parks in Leuth at the start of this wipe.
As I've said before the elves get the shaft in several areas. This whole ress situation is just one of them that I felt should be pointed out. All in all, I still don't get why elves are restricted to the island until level 20. Is this just b/c it's a grandfathered rule?
All you so-called geeks think you know everything. First edition this, second edition that, third edition those. You're an embarassment. Bask in the basement you pasty skinned geek-wannbies! Back I say!
A true geek knows that this game is not based off, but an exact copy (down to every last description and table) of the Fouth edition DnD rules. Luckly, copyright protection does not extend into the future yet.
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Rausrh licks you.
A true geek knows that this game is not based off, but an exact copy (down to every last description and table) of the Fouth edition DnD rules. Luckly, copyright protection does not extend into the future yet.
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Rausrh licks you.
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