How do newbies level?

[gnerble]

I have a level 17 enchanter, with *decent* eq. Nothing too great. AC is at -80, have about 30 hps worth of gear.

Here is a log of me fighting a level 8 Warg and a level 16 warrior. I'm not sure if this is due to the "latest changes" with warrior skills or not.

Realize that IF I kill this level 16 mob, I USUALLY get a notch (not always). So on a good day, it would take me 50 kills to level. It is just as hard to kill the card orcs (who are level 20 or so), but they are unclassed, and I have to kill 2 to get a notch (lovely).

Also note that I understand that there are other places to level. I can find mobs that aren't carrying shields. BUT, there is no substitute for classed mobs. At level 1, I can kill 4 level 3 bandits (rogue class) and level, but I have to kill 25 to 30 unclassed level 2 raptors to level.

I just don't understand how newbies can survive...


< 112h/112H 207p/207P 117v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: excellent E: warg EC: small wounds >
An experienced guard enters from the north.

< 112h/112H 207p/207P 117v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: excellent E: warg EC: small wounds >
An experienced guard slashes you very hard.

< 102h/112H 207p/207P 117v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few scratches E: warg EC: small wounds > You start chanting...

< 102h/112H 207p/207P 118v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few scratches E: warg EC: small wounds >
An experienced guard slashes you very hard.
A large warg misses you with its claw.

< 89h/112H 207p/207P 118v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
Casting: magic missile *

< 89h/112H 207p/207P 119v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
You complete your spell...
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.

< 90h/112H 207p/207P 119v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: few scratches >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
A large warg misses you with its claw.
You pierce a large warg.

< 90h/112H 207p/207P 120v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: small wounds > You start chanting...

< 90h/112H 207p/207P 120v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
A large warg misses you with its claw.

< 91h/112H 207p/207P 121v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
You complete your spell...
An experienced guard pales, and seems to sag.

< 91h/112H 207p/207P 122v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: small wounds > You start chanting...

< 91h/112H 207p/207P 122v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: small wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
An experienced guard slashes you very hard.
A large warg misses you with its claw.

< 80h/112H 207p/207P 122v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
Casting: magic missile

< 81h/112H 207p/207P 123v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
You complete your spell...
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.

< 81h/112H 207p/207P 123v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: small wounds >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
A large warg misses you with its claw.
You pierce a large warg very hard.
You pierce a large warg very hard.

< 81h/112H 207p/207P 124v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds > You start chanting...

< 81h/112H 207p/207P 124v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds >
You complete your spell...
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.

< 82h/112H 207p/207P 125v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
An experienced guard slams his shield into you, and you stagger in pain!
OUCH! That really did HURT!
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!
A large warg misses you with its claw.
You miss a large warg with your pierce.
You pierce a large warg very hard.

< 61h/112H 207p/207P 125v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds >
The world stops spinning.

< 61h/112H 207p/207P 125v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
A large warg misses you with its claw.
You pierce a large warg very hard.

< 62h/112H 207p/207P 127v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
A large warg misses you with its claw.
You pierce a large warg extremely hard.
You start chanting...

< 62h/112H 207p/207P 128v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds >
You complete your spell...
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.
You watch with self-pride as the magic missile hits an experienced guard.

< 63h/112H 207p/207P 129v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: few wounds >
An experienced guard misses you with his slash.
An experienced guard sends you sprawling.
A large warg misses you with its claw.
You pierce a large warg extremely hard.

< 57h/112H 207p/207P 129v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: few wounds E: warg EC: nasty wounds >
You gasp in pain from an experienced guard's awesome slash!
OUCH! That really did HURT!
A mighty slash from an experienced guard makes you contemplate a new career!
A large warg misses you with its claw.
You miss a large warg with your pierce.
You pierce a large warg extremely hard.

< 26h/112H 207p/207P 131v/153V >
< T: Gnerble TC: pretty hurt E: warg EC: nasty wounds >
A mighty slash from an experienced guard makes you contemplate a new career!
You scramble madly to your feet!

Western Road Along the Fence
Exits: -N -E# -S
An adult orc wanders around.
An adult orc wanders around.
You flee southward!
Nobody here by that name.




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[Ilshadrial]

Ummm Level difference plays a huge role in exping btw, it doesn't matter if your ac is -100, they will still hit you and even if you have 50 hit you will still miss...



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Ilshad

"Your accomplishment is nothing compared to the glory that is Ilshadrial!!" Yayaril

[gnerble]

Very true Kev. Most PCs will have trouble hitting mobs more that 5 to 10 levels above them until they are at least level 30 or 35.

This mob was one level below me however! Anyone know what point AC stops mattering? About level 20 or so?

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[Rausrh]

Maybe try tanking one mob at a time? esp when one can bash you.

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Rausrh licks you.

[Ilshadrial]

I walk aroudn with -92 ac with my warrior right now and I am tanking 35+ mobs they still miss, so AC is very important all the way up not to mention the reduction in Critical hits, but soon, you shouldn't be tanking anything, right?

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Ilshad

"Your accomplishment is nothing compared to the glory that is Ilshadrial!!" Yayaril

[gnerble]

Yeap Ilshad, you're right, I shouldn't be tanking for too much longer.

Rausrh you crazy troll, the freaking dog never hit me!

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[Fripple]

I may be making it up, but I believe I have heard and believe heavily in the idea that each ATTEMPT to hit you reduces the chance of it missing, of it not being a CRITICAL hit, etc.

As a chanter I found if I could slow the mob I got % wise much much fewer than 1/2 the number of hits and CRITS from 2 hit/round mobs to 1 hit/round.

There are some nice ways to level a chanter very quickly with only one or two patient friends. Soloing a chanter generally is slow until you have stone. Rememming time << healing time.


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Fripple Kiara - Stone Heart -

[Dalar]

if you're rich u can buy pets and vit potions. that's the easiest way imho. i'd also suggest doing SSC

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Shevarash OOC: 'I never thought I'd long for Muma to be on OOC'
Oyob tells you 'are you a god?\'

[Dalar]

rofl nice name daz

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Shevarash OOC: 'I never thought I'd long for Muma to be on OOC'
Oyob tells you 'are you a god?\'

[combatmedic]

ROFL Daz's new theme song is now Banned in the USA by 2 Live Crew. For some reason just that name reminds me of a kid wearing the DUNCE cap in class. =P

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"If it ain't broke, fix it until it is"

Dalen the super paly.
Aram the novice paly.

[kiryan]

with a lot more blood, sweat, tears and time than the rest of us who already put in blood sweat, tears, and time.

twinks can go out and kill mobs 15 levels higher than them, noobs just aren't ever gonna be able to do it.

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where ara you my rittle raabuuri

[Ragorn]

You have to stack your character with 500 hit points of equipment, that's how you do it. Imagine if you were a level 17 wearing actual level 17 equipment... a raw leather set, maybe a glowing green cap, some minor created stuff to fill the gaps. AC-80 is called "decent" under level 20 these days?

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- Ragorn
Rondandal tells you 'I take it your goal is to clash?'

[Lazus]

One of these days, I'm going to play the game without accepting any handouts unless I earned it.

I actually think it'd be kinda fun. Of course, I wasn't around at the beginning of the wipe, or any of last wipe, so what do I know?

Lazus

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You are now a member of Mori's Funky Chickens
You shout 'Help! Moritheil is trying to kill me at A Wide Dirt Road!'
Shevarash shouts 'What else is new?'

[Gurns]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazus:
I actually think it'd be kinda fun. Of course, I wasn't around at the beginning of the wipe, or any of last wipe, so what do I know?</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is fun! For a while anyway. But the one thing no one has mentioned: This Mud is Designed to Be a Grouping Mud. So how should newbies level? In a group! Obviously, the true newbie pbase precludes that. Pleveling alts don't really help true newbies, in the sense of forming a group, going out together, learning what y'all can do, suffering through the low levels buts it's easier because you're all suffering and no one has any good equip. So anyone trying to level now without handouts, or without being an alt...it's tough.

[moritheil]

Hmm... if I had more time, I'd go noob!

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Toarn group-says 'my lvl 50 buffer has officially been Mori-fied.'
Shevarash tells you 'you want to mud marry me? *scratch*'

[Tasan]

Where were all you people when the mud came up again? I leveled alongside everyone else those first few weeks, and mostly we leveled by overpowering mobs in groups. This place was never supposed to be easy for solo people, why should it all of a sudden be just because it's been up awhile?

Twinshadow

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Kribble tells you 'everytime I've seen you die it was doing something cool or trying to save someone's ass... die away!'

[old depok]

The problem, which many point out, is that there are not enough true new people out there trying to level. This means that for the one or two true noobs it is almost impossible to get a group to level.

It just makes another barrier to increasing the pbase. Not that I am preaching since I have a level 17 necro and I have grouped once so far. Just doesnt make sense for me to group since I can get 2-4% per kill or more with my two shadows instead of maybe 2% every other kill with other people.

[Rausrh]

"Rausrh you crazy troll, the freaking dog never hit me!"

Yeah, but he's all up in your face. Probably slobbering on ya and barking, not to mention the fleas. Oh yes, you'd do far better fighting if he wasn't around.

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Rausrh licks you.

[Ambar]

man i try to help everyone!



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