Must be why Seinfeld never really had blacks on the show!

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Postby Kenon » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:19 pm

If he hates all forms of racism why is he only pointing at one side of it, the
use of the N word... It was "whitey" and/or "whiteboy" that was used first
in this case during a long period of heckling before Richards went crazy...


Who excused him btw? I said they had it coming for them cuz of their use
of racial slurs during their heckling.... It was wrong from both sides as
racism IS unacceptable.

And no he shouldn't have to be prepared vs racial slur heckling, no
comedian should have to be prepared for such attacks as people should
have the common sense to not attack other people like that in the first place.



If you want the perfect example of american double standards picture this:

Instead of 2 black guys sitting in the crowd ruining Richards show AND
using racial slurs doing so picture 2 white guys sitting and yelling the
N word during a Chris Rock performance.....If Chris Rock had started
yelling "crackers" and such back at them everyone would have sided with
him and the 2 white guys in that crowd woulda most likely been killed on
top of it and the media woulda still made them look like the bad guys and
not Chris Rock or the people who murdered them, heh....
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Postby Nilan » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:58 pm

I hate ALL OF it. It doesnt belong here or on these boards.

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Postby Gormal » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:56 pm

Are you trying to say that we shouldn't be allowed to have what could be construed as a controversial discussion on the forums? Maybe you should check out the gay/polygamy thread thats running rampant.
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Postby Kenon » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:14 am

Nilan wrote:I hate ALL OF it. It doesnt belong here or on these boards.

Nilan



Not to sound racist, but that's typical americans, denial. I don't see anyone
in this thread actually expressing racism everyone has just discussed it
and pretty much everyone agrees racism is wrong, some people just seem
to be a bit ignorant about the fact that racism goes BOTH ways and is just
as wrong both ways....

Imagine if the whole world did like you Nilan and tried to ignore the fact
that racism indeed do exist today.... If nobody discusses it or talks about
it in a constructive manner nothing will ever get done about it, the people
commiting the crimes won't stop just cuz people like you try deny that they
exist.


Please explain why this discussion does not belong on the GENERAL
discussion board btw? Is it cuz some people has mentioned the N word
in their constructive discussion and that you feel that the word shouldn't
be used even in a constructive discussion where the person writing it
obviously is against racism and is using the white racial slurs also in
the same explanation of his view of why racism is wrong....

If I say "the word nigger and the word cracker are both racism loaded
words and should not be used to mock someone." I'm obviously not
calling anyone either thing I'm simply stating that it's wrong to use those
words in an offensive way. If anyone gets offended by a person talking
about racism being wrong that person obviously has issues and need to
seek help.
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Postby Lilira » Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:07 am

*shrug*

This is just as explosive as the gay marriage/polygomy topic... that topic however (because its rooted in governmental stuff I guess) is more of a debate than people shooting from the hip.

It is my opinion that both sides were wrong. Most people have known for years that the media is biased towards the "underdog" no matter what nationality, race, religion etc.

I grew up in New Mexico. I listened most of my life to the hispanic population of my town hollering about how they were the minority and they wanted equal treatment, etc. (BTW.. the hispanic population outnumbers the anglo saxon population 2:1 where I come from.) It is my experience that they didn't want equal treatment, they wanted special treatment.

They could stand there calling me a gringo and it was perfectly acceptable, but god forbid I call them a beaner. (Not like I would folks, I wasn't raised that way.) Look, a double standard.

I live in AL now, and yes, I've seen it here. I know better, and my parents raised me to respect everyone no matter their background. It is our responsibility to teach our children that appearance is nothing, its the individual that matters.

What did you put on your census form last time one was done in the States? I know my husband and I marked a line through the choices and wrote in American. I take pride in my Heinz 57 European bloodlines. But as long as everyone makes their bloodlines a prime part of who they are, we'll never be a cohesive country. Its time to drop the titles of African American, Hispanic American, Asian American etc., and stick with the most important part of it... American.

That won't make the derogatory comments go away... I seriously doubt anything ever will as long as you have stubborn people out there who are unable to let go. I do think however the country as a whole would be better for it.
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Postby Tasan » Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:30 am

Kenon wrote:I don't see anyone in this thread actually expressing racism


Hey, I called Jake a round-eye! I tried :(
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Postby Tanji Smanji » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:48 pm

Tasan wrote:
Kenon wrote:I don't see anyone in this thread actually expressing racism


Hey, I called Jake a round-eye! I tried :(


His problems aren't race related though, its genetic.
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Postby Gormal » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:15 pm

I'm genetically predisposed to despise double standards... and Mamoru.
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Postby Ragorn » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:38 pm

And also, if you had to ask me, I'd say the next word heading for this same status is 'faggot.' This is again a derogatory term for a minority group which is used freely by children and bigots alike without a second thought. We're heading for another civil rights movement, and once homosexuality becomes accepted into our mainstream culture, I think you're going to see this word removed from casual speech as well.
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Postby Kenon » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:29 pm

People who claim homosexuality is "unnatural" are way lost, it's very natural
it can be seen many places in nature. I'm pretty sure homosexuality is one
of nature's many ways of preventing over population of whatever species
is growing too large in numbers. Which pretty much explains why oh so
many people are homosexual nowadays, homo sapiens is over populating
the world and thus nature kicks in and tries to reduce our numbers. War,
deadly diseases, homosexuality, nature disasters etc are all nature's work
to prevent total over population.


Imagine if the world consisted of total peace, all hetero sexuals and our
only focus was to live long, we'd be totally over populated and it'd end in
disaster I'm sure, heh, of course chances that we'd evolve into endless
possibilities like populating other planets and such faster would be there
if our only focus was to evolve peacefully, but I doubt it :p
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Postby Thilindel » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:29 pm

I just saw that the word 'girl' was allegedly used for (teen) prostitutes in the early centuries in England. No clue if it's true or not but they claimed 'I saw you with that girl the other night.' Weird if true! I guess words just change with time.
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Postby Kenon » Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:35 am

I personally find it both amusing and pathetic that WORDS even matter in
any conflict, by my own personal opinion words are just words and no
word whatsoever can hurt me. I have to be physically hurt to be hurt, unless
someone hits me or tries to wound me physically I cannot be hurt. If some
moron tries to hurt me with words I just throw words back at them, heh

Only over sensitive and ignorant people even bother to get all worked up
over words, my personal opinion about the issue anyways I know specially
in USA words matter alot, smirk. Guess it's the viking in me that tells me
that words are utterly irrelevant when it comes to "serious" business.
(Allthough I bet a viking would get pissed off if someone mocked their
gods but that brings us into the issue of religion that I also despite as
religion has brought nothing but disaster to the world no matter what
religion people worship some people comprehend the religion wrong and
gets violent about it)
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Postby Cirath » Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:43 am

Kenon wrote:...but that brings us into the issue of religion that I also despite as religion has brought nothing but disaster to the world no matter what religion people worship some people comprehend the religion wrong and gets violent about it


That is more a product of fanaticism than religion. The same sort of thing can happen because of sporting events, concerts, and other random things with a significant and devoted following (though usually on a smaller scale). Besides, it isn't as if nothing good ever came out of any religion.

Hurray for sudden topic shifts!
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Postby Minofagal » Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:31 am

mmmm crackers! animal crackers, club crackers, saltine crackers. i love crackers.

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Postby Ambar » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:23 am

Kenon wrote:I personally find it both amusing and pathetic that WORDS even matter in
any conflict, by my own personal opinion words are just words and no
word whatsoever can hurt me. I have to be physically hurt to be hurt, unless
someone hits me or tries to wound me physically I cannot be hurt. If some
moron tries to hurt me with words I just throw words back at them, heh

Only over sensitive and ignorant people even bother to get all worked up
over words, my personal opinion about the issue anyways I know specially
in USA words matter alot, smirk. Guess it's the viking in me that tells me
that words are utterly irrelevant when it comes to "serious" business.
(Allthough I bet a viking would get pissed off if someone mocked their
gods but that brings us into the issue of religion that I also despite as
religion has brought nothing but disaster to the world no matter what
religion people worship some people comprehend the religion wrong and
gets violent about it)


Words can hurt way more than physical harm. I guess you grew up in Utopia where there was no racisim or hatred, but the average person is more *damaged* by far with words. Words can hurt you for LIFE. Be a disbeliever, that's fine, but it is TRUE! Get called names for YEARS and see what it does to YOU!

(by the way have you figured out yet that I have been horrendously damaged by words??)

They always say not to say things in anger without thinking, it is TRUE. It is better not to say anything than say something wrong.

Is it thin skinned? I really doubt it. You can not understand it unless you have been through it. Years and years of conditioning do odd things to a person's nature, self-esteem, etc.

(and I am not taking the fact away that physical harm does damage people for life too, just in general its words that hurt more than bruises.)
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Postby Ambar » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:28 am

As a side note, in Southeast Asia (Bahrain specifically) .. sex between men is ok. You see men walking hand in hand all the time. Women are meant for child bearing only, some men seek pleasure with young men and it is socially accepted there.

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Postby Kenon » Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:26 pm

It's a weakness in human nature that some people get emotional or
depressed cuz of words. Words are not physical, they can not literally
harm you unless you let them. If someone burns you with a lighter you
are literally harmed, you can not take away or block that pain away. If
someone stands in front of you and say whatever words, you can simply
chose to ignore whatever they're saying, say something rude back or
simply use physical violence to hurt them way more than they are hurting
you by standing there yapping with words. Of course to use physical
violence you gotta be sure that you are capable of winning a physical
conflict against the target, heh, but my point is that in THEORY words
should not be able to harm a human being, in reality some people are
overwhelmed by the word bullies and thus get harmed anyways even
though the words aren't literally capable of harming them other than
psychologically.

I guess nature has its own character attribute stats for all of us, hehe,
some people have high power, other have low and will be more likely
abused by "psionic" attacks such as words :P You just need to find
a healer aka a shrink or a +power item aka a book about resisting
verbal assaults. hah as I turn rl into mud stuff!

(We're the masters of off topic discussion btw, muhahaha)
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Postby Cirath » Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:19 pm

Kenon wrote:Words are not physical, they can not literally harm you unless you let them.


Or maybe if you had a really big amplifier.
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Postby Kenon » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:02 am

haha nice one.

Btw Ambar

Ambar wrote:I guess you grew up in Utopia where there was no racisim or hatred



About growing up in certain areas, me personally I'm from Norway, a rich
western country. There are gangs here and street violence like most places
but it's nothing compared to a country that's troubled with war. (And no
USA doesn't count as the most brutal violence in their wars are fought
in other countries and like never at their own home) I got lots of rl friends
that came to norway running from wars, examples are people from Bosnia
and people from Somalia. The brutal stories they tell about the situation
in those countries should be enough to make people from rich western
countries think twice before they claim that words can harm more than
violence.

Let me explain to you how physical violence is a thousand times more
serious and damaging than words from bullies in western countries who
taunt someone cuz they're fat or whatever:

A girlfriend of mine was 12 years old when soldiers stormed her families
house and executed her whole family in front of her. They saved her
pregnant mother to the end. They cut the still living mothers belly open
and ripped out the baby who was alive and started screaming. The
mother and my friend was both in total shock and paralyzed. They then
slit the throat of the mothers baby in front of her, then chopped off its
foot and forced the mother to eat the foot. Then they slit the mothers
throat. And the most evil part is that they let my friend survive. She
was all alone and in shock and only luck made it so that she got picked
up by other people on the run from the civil war. They walked through
the jungle for several weeks and lots of them starved to death on the
run. Red Cross soldiers found the group and saved them and sent them
to various western countries. My friend was unable to speak for 5 rl
years, when she was 17 she finally started speaking again and today
she's amazingly pretty normal.

There is tons of totally cruel shit like that which us in western countries
can never imagine the pain and horror of. I got Bosnian friends who
were captured by soldiers and had their friends executed in front of
them and one of my friends had to watch his father sit through a whole
night with his hands tied up behind his back with a hand grenade with
its splint pulled out in his mouth. The father's jaws slipped at the end of
the night and the grenade went off and his head exploded.



Now, are you seriously gonna come and try convince me that ANY words
can ever cause harm like these things I just told you from the real world?

By my opinion even racism isn't causing actual harm till the moment the
racist losers actually use physical violence. It's just cuz humans are for
some unknown reason sensible to psychological warfare that it's even
capable to cause any "harm".
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Postby Ambar » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:52 am

I didnt say TERRORISM, nor did I say WAR. I am talking every day life in a country that hasnt SEEN war on its shores in anyone's lifetime. And by the way, war is nothing more than hatred and intolerance.

This time neither of us are wrong, we have different aspects, different views on how things work.

I spent 20 years in the US Navy. I know there is war, but I also know what I dealt with when growing up. The lasting emotional scars that a child can go thru when the person that is supposed to love and care for you treats you like an object.

You are not wrong, neither am I ..

Growing up in Europe you have no idea how things are here, and me growing up here have no idea how things are growing up in Europe.

In this case agreeing to disagree has very strong merits.
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Postby Kenon » Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:24 pm

Oh, I am indeed the one who is technically wrong cuz people DO get
harmed by words. My own view is that it's a weakness and wrong that
people do however cuz I know how much worse physical violence really is.
Words are just words, they are in your head and can be blocked out
if just the will power to do so is there. Physical violence can't be blocked
out like that, if it happens it happens and there's nothing to do about it.
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Postby Ambar » Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:09 pm

In this case agreeing to disagree has very strong merits.
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Postby Tasan » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:49 pm

Pain isn't a quantifiable thing. Pain is relative to each person. Emotional and Physical pain can both be felt in side effects of the other. The sad thing is how many people look for situations to be hurt so they can profit from other people. Frivolous lawsuits and bureaucracy poison the systems we have in place to address problems before they grow to epidemics. The double-standard of racism we now exist in isn't any better than the days of Lincoln.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:26 am

Kenon wrote:Not to sound racist, but that's typical americans, denial.


Typical europeans, ignorance.

No one denies the existance of racism. Especially not Americans. The only debate lies in what it is, what it means, and what should be done about it.
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Postby Lathander » Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:08 pm

I'll throw a bone out there into the discussion.

Yes, prejudice exists in the world. Everyone has preconceived notions on the way people look, their sex, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation and a myriad of other factors. Hell, I know people that will not work with someone because their shirt or suit is wrinkled or they are wearing casual cloths instead of dress clothes. Hell, we base a lot of our decisions based on the outward look; it is no different than buying a name brand pain killer when the generic is basically the same thing.

The next step though is to use prejudice in your favor. My team I work with has a woman, a black and an Asian on it. If I could, I’d love to find a Hispanic to add to it as well. That way you cover the whole gambit on who people might want to think they are working with. Ultimately, they are getting my recommendations filtered through someone that they feel more comfortable with.

Is some prejudice ignorant? Of course, but I would not call it evil. It is human nature to want to work with who we are more comfortable with. Once that is realized, you can manipulate things to actually benefit from it.
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Postby Sarvis » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:22 pm

Ambar wrote:In this case agreeing to disagree has very strong merits.


That's what you _always_ say though. :P
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Postby Ambar » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:49 pm

It is ALWAYS true :)
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Postby Ashiwi » Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:16 am

Actually... I'm kind of in agreement with Kenon. Not to start anything, but I grew up in a highly abusive household, both physically and verbally. It's part of what I am today, because it molded a lot of my attitudes and outlooks on life, but as for lasting damage...

There's a popular song that came out recently that I really, really, REALLY despise. It annoys me to the point where every time it comes on I have to change the channel.

Because of you I never stray too far from the sidewalk
Because of you I learned to play on the safe side so I don't get hurt
Because of you I try my hardest just to forget everything
Because of you I don't know how to let anyone else in
Because of you I'm ashamed of my life because it's empty
Because of you I am afraid


Every time this song comes on I want to find this chick, give her a good shake, and ask her "Okay, so somebody fucked you up yesterday, but what are YOU doing about it today?" Blame placement and denial of responsibility for self is a hit on the open market.

The worst part of the song is:

You never thought of anyone else, you just saw your pain

Jeebus, how selfish is that? These vocals paint a picture of a person who can't even acknowledge the kind of pain the person she's singing about must have gone through to get to the point where he/she did the same thing to the singer. She's saying "You were in so much pain that my life is ruined and I'll never get over it, and it's all your fault." In reality, most people who abuse have been abused, themselves, then they blame their behavior on their abuser and propagate it on to the next generation. So many people just can't bring themselves to take responsibility for their own lives, actions, and wellbeing.

It doesn't take one anonymous person to break a cycle of ugliness because of hurtful words, it doesn't take a dozen, or a hundred, or a million. It takes me. Not that person over there, not that person who raised me, not my sadistic cousin or the playground bully. Those people may never change.

But I can.

Words can be hurtful, yes, but when all is said and done, I am responsible for how they affect me. Blame placement is a huge part of what drives separatism and violence in our culture today, including the concept of racism and all the troubles it causes. Nobody wants to look around and say to themselves "I am the reason I am living in squalor; I am the reason I can't get a job; I am the reason I never finished my education; I am the reason I smack my kids around; I am the reason I have an addiction" because those revelations always imply "I am a bad person." You can't be a bad person if it's somebody else's fault, right? But if you can't recognize your own responsibility for self, then you can't change those flaws that continue the cycle.

People want to identify with their predecessors, their culture, their history, and that's a natural part of the life cycle... it's been happening since tribal shaman first started reciting verbal histories, and even before in the paintings on cave walls that inspired the children of hunters. A sense of self in the community isn't a bad thing, and sharing the pain of your community isn't a bad thing... but placing the blame for your woes today on the predators of your past without accepting your own responsibility in making the changes necessary to better your life and the lives of those around you is just allowing the ghost of a wound to fester into a real obstacle in life.

The worst part of what happened in this situation isn't that it happened... it's that we continue to feed on it, holding on to it and using it as fuel for the fire. It's that we, as a society, can take the mistake of today and use it as validation for our actions tomorrow without recognizing it as a momentary slip, that we can allow it to be blown up into a crisis that will further drive those who are looking for any reason but their own for why they are the way they are. It's that our society craves a witchhunt so we can point a finger and feel justified in doing so. We don't have to deal with the atrocities many countries have to deal with, but we DO have a powerful drive to paint ourselves as victims. In true strife we come together to be strong, but without an enemy we manufacture them amongst ourselves and tear ourselves apart little bit by little bit.

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Postby Kenon » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:12 am

Well written Ashiwi. You explained the point I had better than me, hehe



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to do in any western euro country I can think of. Only in america can you
walk out on the street and produce a large amount of people who know little
to nothing about the world outside their own borders. So no, ignorant is not
the proper term to use about euros when you're an american. ;)
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Postby Ragorn » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:18 am

Don't feel bad, teflor uses the word ignorant about everybody. It's kind of like his go-to insult.
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Postby Ashiwi » Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:36 am

Actually, Kenon, I was kind of shocked when I read your hypothesis on homosexuality and human population control. I've made tons of enemies over the years because I firmly believe the same thing, and I'm not unwilling to discuss it openly. Of course I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt, where homosexuality is still quite controversial, and there's a church on every corner. Yes, there are still people here that will tell you with full faith that homosexuality is an abomination of the natural order and that it only occurs among humans.

How many known cultures in history display prominent homosexual populations as the overall mass of the population increases? Life and nature work in mysterious ways, but rarely by total coincidence.

But I suppose that's a discussion for another thread.
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Postby Kenon » Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:49 am

btw, about physical and psychological pain, here's an example about why
I personally believe physical pain is more "real":

* If someone chops off your hand, your hand is literally destroyed.
(Before someone says the hand can be put back on again in a hospital
let's say the hand is melted in acid also so that it's gone for good)

* If someone just tells you your hand is ugly, it might be the "truth", but
you are in theory able to block out that comment and view your own
hand as beautiful even if it isn't by todays societies standards.


Emotional pain due to bullying etc seems to be more common in rich western
countries, I'm guessing it is our own twisted ways of creating and looking for
issues in our lives when there are no others like for example physical war.
Maybe it is human nature to want to have problems in life? Cuz even the
richest hollywood actors that in theory should be living "perfect" rich lifes
complain about their "problems" in magazines and interviews all the time.
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Postby amolol » Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:44 am

kenon before you go off and say things like that, you should talk to someone who has experience psycological pain and physical pain both. i garontee you that psycological pain has more than enough potential to outweigh physical pain.

might i also add that if you chop your hand off/it gets boiled off in acid showck will set in right away this thing about screaming because of it in movies you see. doesnt happen by the time you realize it your body is already in shock and you cant feel it.
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Postby Kenon » Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:03 am

Never did I claim that people aren't actually affected by psychological pain,
my own personal opinion is that lots of it could be mentally blocked out if
people wished to do so however. People are too sensitive, specially in rich
western countries where they have never experienced REAL pain aka physical
pain.


I've been a medic soldier in the army I know all about the body and its
defense mechanics such as how physical pain works. And yes the body
stops sending pain messages to the brain after damage like getting a
body part chopped off. Physical pain is there to make our body react and
pull out of the danger, the moment it goes as far as a body part being lost
the body blocks out most of the pain from that area as there is no point
for it to keep sending pain after the body part is already lost.

There are also some people who are born without any sense of pain, they
have a disfunction that doesn't let them feel physical pain. The MAJORITY
of people got normal sensitivity to physical pain however. If you stab
someone with a knife it causes actual damage way worse than threatening
someone you're gonna stab them. You can actually die from an actual
stab wound, you can't from a treat unless you suicide over it yourself.

If you chop someones hand off however and boil it the hand is literally
gone and ruined. You can of course say this about certain peoples minds
as well (my grandfather was a mental patient and I have an aunt that
works in a mental hospital) but in theory an average human being (not
those who are literally mentally insane) should be able to handle way
more psychological issues than we see in western countries today.

I'm done here now I think I've explained everything why I think like I do
about these things now. :P
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Postby Ambar » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:39 am

Rich western countries

yep we all are rich here, we all carry guns .. we all wear cowboy hats

Some of us get past the crap that was done to us in the past, I am one of them who doesnt dwell on what has been or what could be. I DO know that what I endured changed me just as much as a physical wound, no matter the severity.

Kenon, Different things affect different people in different ways, for you to say that to suffer from *words* is rich or spoiled is so Utopian :P

As a rational person, it is often necessary to agree to disagree to avoid conflict. In this case, NOONE is wrong as far as the physical/emotional thing, noone will change their views since we all have survived different things in different ways.

I do agree that there are FAR too many fingers pointing in the wrong direction in the case of who's fault it is for whatever transgression was made, there are FAR too many labels for everything .. ADHD? We called it a hyper kid being a kid in need of an asswhipping! People getting off of violent crimes because mommy was mean to them, or rapists rape because they were raped so why not hurt everyone .. it goes on and on.

The human mind is an incredible machine. It can make us think and feel things we'd never dream of feeling. Often times, mental/emotional harm is invisible, I have been watching Discovery Health a LOT lately, and it fascinates me what the mind can do.

Anyway, yeah ramble off .. but in some cases agreeing to disagree is ok.
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Postby teflor the ranger » Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:20 pm

Kenon wrote:Teflor: heh, you use the word ignorant about euros? You do realize that this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGmesn5WXeE would NEVER be possible
to do in any western euro country I can think of. Only in america can you
walk out on the street and produce a large amount of people who know little
to nothing about the world outside their own borders. So no, ignorant is not
the proper term to use about euros when you're an american. ;)


Actually, ignorant is the perfect word. For you to think that that video shows anything unique about Americans proves to me your ignorance.

Now go build your Maginot line so the Germans will have to go through Belguim, and send your Neville Chamberlains to "secure peace" with the Hitlers of the world. Pft. Europe.
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Postby Kenon » Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:29 am

Guess I wasn't quite done here yet after all. :p

Ambar wrote:Rich western countries

yep we all are rich here, we all carry guns .. we all wear cowboy hats


Yes, rich "western" type countries, as in countries that has a developed
health care, welfare and educational system and hasn't seen war on
their homeground in a long time. (Only really old people here in norway
for example will be able to remember last time our country was invaded
in a war)

A fat middle class kid in a rich country getting bullied on school daily cuz
he/she is fat is a sad story yes, but it can't ever be compared to a starved
somalian kid who watches her whole family get executed in front of her.

We who live in these rich western (by western I did not mean the wild
wild west from hollywood cowboy movies btw, I meant western as in
rich countries influenced by the western worlds lifestyle) can not ever
imagine the pain and horrors people in the fucked up countries in the
world goes through in life. Our own psychological issues are *nothing*
compared to the brute violence these people have to try live with or
should we say survive through.



Teflor: heh, are you trying to deny that america has issues with lots of
its population being obese and lots of it knowing little about the world
outside its borders? I never claimed there aren't smart people or "normal"
people living in USA, I have lots of online friends from USA that seem just
like people I know in rl. USA has big issues within its own borders that
is getting overlooked cuz of the crusade they are on everywhere else in
the world. Please do try create a movie like that youtube movie on the
streets in any of the well developed euro countries, I highly doubt you'd
find many people who'd place Iran over Australia.....
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Postby Ragorn » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:27 am

Kenon wrote:A fat middle class kid in a rich country getting bullied on school daily cuz he/she is fat is a sad story yes, but it can't ever be compared to a starved somalian kid who watches her whole family get executed in front of her.

My brother in law is involved with a lot of African charity programs (Invisible Children, if you've heard of that), and he brought a story back from Uganda.

Slavers invaded a village and took about a dozen kids under 10 to a slave camp. The head of the slavers had all the kids stand around in a circle, with him in the center. As he spoke, he slowly looked around at all the kids standing around him.

"As of today, you have no home. Your home is where I tell you to live. I will tell you right now, there is no way to escape. You can't escape, you see, because I am a voodoo mind reader, and I am reading your minds. In fact, I know that one of you is thinking about running away right now."

And with that, he spun around, drew a shotgun off his back, and blew the head off of one of the kids.

"Do I make myself clear?"

This story has no relevance to the topic at hand, but I just figured I'd throw it in there because it's a good story.
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Postby Kenon » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:24 pm

Your story is somewhat relevant to the topic at hand, the original topic in
this thread is Michael Richards yelling words at some other people who
yelled words at him. Racism and/or bullying by just words in western
countries is so irrelevant in the big picture compared to physical violence
in starved poor countries for example. (Of course physical violence can be
just as brutal in our rich western countries but it really isn't as common in
the same amount as it is seen in those countries that are plagued by civil
wars and such)

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