Another skill nerfed into the grave?

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Thilindel
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Another skill nerfed into the grave?

Postby Thilindel » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:00 am

Very long - was just to prove a point. Mob isn't higher in level, so this is pretty stupid:


<358h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<358h>
<P> ham drow

The world stops spinning.

<360h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P> ham drow

The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P> ham drow
You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
You hear dark elven shouts to Vhaeraun all around.

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P> display time

Autosaving...
att

<361h>
<P> ham drow
You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> Time display turned ON.

<361h>
<P>

<361h>
<P> Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.
ham drow

<361h>
<P> Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P>
You hear dark elven shouts to Vhaeraun all around.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.
ham drow

<361h>
<P> Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P>
Andaw tells you 'you'll do!'

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<361h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<361h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<361h>
<P>
Your body shimmers and sheds its elemental form, returning to normal.

<361h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<361h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<360h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<356h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<352h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<351h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<348h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<344h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<344h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<336h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<335h>
<P>
You can hear the sound of dwarves banging their axes into their shields.

<332h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<329h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand

<328h>
<P> You rise to your feet.

<322h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!

<321h>
<P>
The world stops spinning.

<318h>
<P> You clamber to your feet.

<315h>
<P> ham drow
Your hasty hamstring causes you to slip and fall to the ground!
stand
The world starts spinning, and your ears are ringing!


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[b] eventually it landed...but damn
Yasden
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Postby Yasden » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:55 pm

It was overpowered as it was. The fail rate on bodyslam was far higher than hamstring, yet according to Mielikki (who wrote the hamstring code), it was the same code copied and reworded. Yeah right.

I'm glad it was finally toned down a while back. This same thing happens with bodyslam too, and I'll tell you why in one word: alert. When you fail slam on a mob, generally it becomes alert and it's damn near impossible to land another one. That was the problem with hamstring. The alert flag was never going off so stupid halflings were able to run in and out and hamstring over and over and over.
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Postby Thilindel » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:38 pm

That's what's odd about this regarding 'Alert' I hadn't engaged the mob yet. He was blinded a bit earlier and never engaged from the getgo
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Postby Yasden » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:44 am

The code for both skills is retarded. The mob will not engage you while blind because it can't see you. It's the same as if you'd missed a kick, bash, or whiffed as your initial attack. The bigger question is...should you be guaranteed a virtually 100% success rate on a skill when a mob is blind? I have mixed feelings based on my knowledge of how powerful even regular blind can be for soloing.
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Nerox tells you 'man this thing is kicking my ass and i have blisters!'

Nerox tells you 'ok attempting it again put tape on my fingers for easier sliding'
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Postby teflor the ranger » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:41 am

On the other hand, RPwise, blind != clueless. Although I have no way to know how this is coded, I doubt this particular feature is coded in, but I would expect that a mob that was blinded unnaturally would actually be difficult to hamstring - particularly if they're aware that they're being attacked.

The idea that they would avoid letting you get close enough to hamstring them would be acceptable.
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Postby Birile » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:55 am

I have fond memories of the two months or so after hamstring was implemented and it was actually highly useful before it got seriously nerfed... ah, arena...

I still use it in zones when I see someone failed a bash/trip--not something I would use anymore to twink, but still has its uses.

But bodyslam is still more useful because it can be done in some situations where hamstring can't.

*shrug*
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Postby Sarell » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:02 am

I always thought body slam was somehow linked to weight as well like bash. I remember Fladd Snowtiger (Korra post-Mystra intervention) on toril1 could slam just about anything and they weighed in about 60 pounds heavier than any other barb on the game for some reason.

Anyhow, may as well restore hammy to some state of glory. If you are actually relying on it for anything your in deep shitola already and are probably just mucking around!
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