Moment of Zen: This War Is Lost

[teflor the ranger]

Harry Reid, a major Democrat party leader, hoping for President Bush to fail:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/ ... 9229.shtml

April 20, 2007

Senator Reid On Iraq: "This War Is Lost"
Democratic Majority Leader Says Troop Buildup Is Not Working

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyDOAmJYFFA
"This war is lost!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=QV4DIURvbwY
"All you have to do is look at the facts."

[Sarvis]

Obama's fault!

[Ragorn]

ANYTHING BUT UNRELENTING OPTIMISM ABOUT THE WAR IS TREASON, CITIZEN

[teflor the ranger]

Sorry, I probably should have said Moment of Zen for mostly conservatives, most independents, and a minority of democrats.

I know there's a couple of you for which this thread doesn't really give you inner peace.

[Disoputlip]

I am just curious, and also sadly unaware of something obvious.

Is it good or bad that someone has the oppinion that the war is lost?

Why is it good or bad?

What is the general difference between a conservative listening to someone with that oppinion contra a democrat listening to someone with that oppinion.

I just want to understand the dilemma in this thread. Just a brief background would be cool.

[Ragorn]

Conservatives believe that anyone who doesn't unflinchingly support George Bush, the Afghanistan War, the Iraq War, or the military is anti-American and guilty of treason. To a conservative, admitting that America is doing anything except Winning The War 100% is akin to blasphemy.

[Adriorn Darkcloak]

Now, take what Ragorn said, Disoputlip, and put it through a filter to get a better and more honest idea.

[Disoputlip]

Thanks

[teflor the ranger]

Conservatives believe that anyone who doesn't unflinchingly support George Bush, the Afghanistan War, the Iraq War, or the military is anti-American and guilty of treason. To a conservative, admitting that America is doing anything except Winning The War 100% is akin to blasphemy.

I'm a conservative and I didn't believe any of that.

[teflor the ranger]

I am just curious, and also sadly unaware of something obvious.

Is it good or bad that someone has the oppinion that the war is lost?

Why is it good or bad?

What is the general difference between a conservative listening to someone with that oppinion contra a democrat listening to someone with that oppinion.

I just want to understand the dilemma in this thread. Just a brief background would be cool.

I stated this thread to aggressively discredit a major Democrat party leader that was completely, 100% wrong, and caught talking out of his ass with his pants around his ankles while imploring you to just "look at the facts."

America, these are your elected leaders.

[Tanras]

I believe that it is almost impossible to win a war if leadership shows any sign of weakness. . .it emboldens the enemy to wait us out and it hurts morale of our own trooops.

I believe that is why the Bush administration always refused to talk about timetables for withdrawl - it gives the enemy a clearly defined goal. I also believe that is why you have seen the Obama administration mostly follow suit after the election.