Adriorn Darkcloak wrote:There have been 9 deaths due to abortion clinic attacks worldwide. 9. Contemporary Islamic extremist attacks are at over 3,000.
Well as long as you limit it to one specific kind of target sure. Then again, there's the whole IRA bombings and I'm sure if I cared enough I could find other examples of Christians killing people over ideological differences, or at least for having the wrong color skin.
Sarvis wrote:We all have the same drives and emotions.
Disagree here. Same emotions yes, but not the same way to demonstrate them. And as far as drives go, no.
Bullshit. You need food, water, shelter (I'll extend that to safety and security) and sex. That's all that drives anyone really.
Your average Iraqi just wants to go to work every day, eat dinner at night and relax with his family. You are NOT special somehow.
I wasn't born here. :) But yes, I am very different, psychologically, socially, and culturally from them.
No, you aren't.
Here's a post from an English Teacher in Basra, from BBC's "Iraqi Daily Lives"
I went to the doctor earlier at 1400 to get my wrist seen.
It didn't seem too bad, but I hurt it when I fell playing football yesterday evening and I couldn't move it for a while.
The doctor told me the wrist would heal by itself, and gave me some painkillers. It feels a lot better now.
There were five other people ahead of me in the queue for the doctor.
I only waited 30 minutes, but if I had not been able to go to the doctor until now, I would have waited for two hours.
Most people coming to see the doctor come in from a large area, so they don't arrive until after 1600, so it gets very busy.
I'm lucky - because I live so close, I got there earlier.
This evening I'm going to the barbers for a haircut, then I'll spend some time with a friend.
Wow. Played football, hurt his wrist and went to a doctor.
Get off your high horse Adriorn.
Muslims invaded Spain in 711. They then tried expanding northward and eastward. Before that they had kept mostly to their own region. If you wanna play the 'You started it first game', they did.
Ok fine, whatever. That really wasn't the point... the point is that you're blaming them for being "Barbaric" for doing the same things Christians have done and some would love to do again.
kiryan wrote:Also, the crusades were how long ago? This is your favorite counter to Christian's aren't violent anymore. So does that mean since your great great grand father was a pedophile, you are too?
Pretty bad example considering pedophiles would be likely to molest their children, which in turn screws up the childrens' sexuality and makes it much more likely that they, too, will molest their children.
told Bush to invade Iraq and millions of Christians applauded. You haven't changed as much as you'd like to believe.
From the same article you linked: "Five days after the blast the IRA issued a statement in which it claimed responsibility, but regretted causing injury to civilians." Islamic extremists don't care, and are glad to kill civilians.
We both know better. We both know that they planted a bomb in City Center fully expecting civilians to die. We both know they just have a better PR department.
You bring up the past alot Sarvis to try to criticize what others did before. Let's take the Crusades for example. Nowadays some view them as extremely negative, using modern-day morals as their sword. Had you been living back then, would you have criticized them too? Right now, Kiryan, Corth and I are criticizing what Islamic extremists are doing. Are you and Kindi being apologists for their acts of terror? Are you comparing some macho hick saying 'nuke em!' to a suicide bomber bombing?
Of course I would have supported the Crusades. I would have lived in a similar environment to what the Iraqi people are living in now. Everyone around me would have expected me to support it. There's a chance I'd have been burned at the stake or stoned to death for questioning the Word of God.
If we're more civilized now, it's because we're allowed to question "God" these days.
And like I said, of course we don't actually bomb and kill a lot of people. We aren't dirt poor, starving and living in a constant war zone. WE have shit to live for. That's why Kiryan threatens to take up arms against the government, but when cornered admits he could never risk himself because he needs to support his family.
We aren't that much more civilized, we just have more to live for. We all play football, hurt our wrists, and see a doctor to get it fixed.
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