Can we automatically hit incap mobs?
Can we automatically hit incap mobs?
< 187h/238H 78v/115V >
<> cast 'shadow b' shade
You start chanting...
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<>
Casting: shadow bolt *
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<>
Casting: shadow bolt
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<>
You complete your spell...
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> kill shade
You hit A dark shade extremely hard.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your hit.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 80v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your hit.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 189h/238H 81v/115V >
<> wield blade
kill shade
You wield a long thin blade.
< 189h/238H 82v/115V >
<> You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 189h/238H 82v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 190h/248H 82v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 190h/248H 83v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 190h/248H 84v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 191h/248H 85v/115V >
<> !
It's mild out today.
< 191h/248H 85v/115V >
<> You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 192h/248H 88v/115V >
<> kill shade
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 192h/248H 88v/115V >
<> cast 'shadow b' shade
You start chanting...
< 193h/248H 89v/115V >
<>
Casting: shadow bolt
< 193h/248H 89v/115V >
<>
You complete your spell...
Your shadow bolt slams into A dark shade and it collapses, dead.
A dark shade is dead! R.I.P.
You receive your share of experience.
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of A dark shade.
Sure miss a lot for something thats lying on the ground bleeding to death.
<> cast 'shadow b' shade
You start chanting...
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<>
Casting: shadow bolt *
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<>
Casting: shadow bolt
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<>
You complete your spell...
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
You send a bolt of shadows towards A dark shade, impacting in a burst of darknes
s!
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> kill shade
You hit A dark shade extremely hard.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your hit.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 80v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your hit.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 189h/238H 81v/115V >
<> wield blade
kill shade
You wield a long thin blade.
< 189h/238H 82v/115V >
<> You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 189h/238H 82v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 190h/248H 82v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 190h/248H 83v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 190h/248H 84v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 191h/248H 85v/115V >
<> !
It's mild out today.
< 191h/248H 85v/115V >
<> You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 192h/248H 88v/115V >
<> kill shade
You miss A dark shade with your slash.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 192h/248H 88v/115V >
<> cast 'shadow b' shade
You start chanting...
< 193h/248H 89v/115V >
<>
Casting: shadow bolt
< 193h/248H 89v/115V >
<>
You complete your spell...
Your shadow bolt slams into A dark shade and it collapses, dead.
A dark shade is dead! R.I.P.
You receive your share of experience.
Your blood freezes as you hear the rattling death cry of A dark shade.
Sure miss a lot for something thats lying on the ground bleeding to death.
Gin, he is referring to the fact that the mob is lying motionless on the ground, yet he has to take several swings at it to even land a hit, much less a powerful enough one to kill it. If the mob is incap and just sitting there, you should be able to kill it without taking a bunch of swings.
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Gordex - Gordex Travel Agency
Not toggle vic, the fact that I kept missing. Hit him once, which means I'm able to hit him. Then kept missing on a mob lying here bleeding to death on the ground. Hrm, mebe theres just something really hard about punching something lying on the ground not moving at all. That must be it. New zone tactic, all tanks lie on the ground while tanking. =P
Um... wow... did everyone (ok, excluding Zrax) just MISS the fact that this was a shade?
Wraithforms require magical weapons to hit. You will always get a miss message if you swing a non-magical weapon at them, whether incapacitated or not.
[This message has been edited by Kiloppile (edited 08-31-2001).]
Wraithforms require magical weapons to hit. You will always get a miss message if you swing a non-magical weapon at them, whether incapacitated or not.
[This message has been edited by Kiloppile (edited 08-31-2001).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Malacar:
<B>Cool... So he has magical hands.
*pointing to the first hit after he typed kill on it*
</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Heh, this is the way it has always been. Wraithforms are able to be hit, or attacked w/ a magical weapon. Otherwise they are invounrable to melee.
As for hit working, perhaps it's because a wraithform can "hit" you meaning it has some sort of substance. Shrug.
Twyl
<B>Cool... So he has magical hands.
*pointing to the first hit after he typed kill on it*
</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Heh, this is the way it has always been. Wraithforms are able to be hit, or attacked w/ a magical weapon. Otherwise they are invounrable to melee.
As for hit working, perhaps it's because a wraithform can "hit" you meaning it has some sort of substance. Shrug.
Twyl
The Shade is not a wraith form because he did hit it..
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> kill shade
You hit A dark shade extremely hard.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your hit.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The code of no miss might have been overwritten maybe? :P
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> kill shade
You hit A dark shade extremely hard.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.
< 188h/238H 79v/115V >
<> !
You miss A dark shade with your hit.
A dark shade is incapacitated and will slowly die, if not aided.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The code of no miss might have been overwritten maybe? :P
Actually, I was thinking that you might be able to "hit" them with your hands, as they are not a weapon. Could be wrong though.
(Just tried it, and I can indeed hit a spectre with my bare hands, but not with a non-magic weapon).
Not that that comes up as a useful tactic or anything.
[This message has been edited by Kiloppile (edited 08-31-2001).]
(Just tried it, and I can indeed hit a spectre with my bare hands, but not with a non-magic weapon).
Not that that comes up as a useful tactic or anything.
[This message has been edited by Kiloppile (edited 08-31-2001).]
actually i think in D&D hand damage could hit creatures that can only be struck by magic if the attacker is of a certain level, I seem to rememeber that in reference to monsters but i am not sure if it was that way for pc's. It could just be a bug that hands can hit wraithform but they may have intended it that way as well based on how D&D did it.
ok after more testing, I think the shade is wraith. Thing is, I can hit it with my fists, probably on a crit, wheras I cant hit it at all with a weapon (sat around for a few minutes missing it). So now the problem would be how am I able to hit the wraith mob at all with fists (I know its cuz I'm a mage).
Btw its still possible to miss an incapped mob, so thats a diff problem altogether.
Btw its still possible to miss an incapped mob, so thats a diff problem altogether.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Zrax:
actually i think in D&D hand damage could hit creatures that can only be struck by magic if the attacker is of a certain level, I seem to rememeber that in reference to monsters but i am not sure if it was that way for pc's. It could just be a bug that hands can hit wraithform but they may have intended it that way as well based on how D&D did it.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, mobs of a certain number of hit dice can hit as +1 weapons, etc, etc.
Also, monks gained that ability in D&D. (I know, I know, no monks).
actually i think in D&D hand damage could hit creatures that can only be struck by magic if the attacker is of a certain level, I seem to rememeber that in reference to monsters but i am not sure if it was that way for pc's. It could just be a bug that hands can hit wraithform but they may have intended it that way as well based on how D&D did it.</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, mobs of a certain number of hit dice can hit as +1 weapons, etc, etc.
Also, monks gained that ability in D&D. (I know, I know, no monks).
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by asamoth:
<B>ok after more testing, I think the shade is wraith. Thing is, I can hit it with my fists, probably on a crit, wheras I cant hit it at all with a weapon (sat around for a few minutes missing it). So now the problem would be how am I able to hit the wraith mob at all with fists (I know its cuz I'm a mage).
Btw its still possible to miss an incapped mob, so thats a diff problem altogether.</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I believe the code change that went in to "fix" the problem w/ incap mobs only applied to the mobs chances to save via a skill, i.e. dodge etc. I'm not sure it was ever intended to be a never miss situation.
Twyl
<B>ok after more testing, I think the shade is wraith. Thing is, I can hit it with my fists, probably on a crit, wheras I cant hit it at all with a weapon (sat around for a few minutes missing it). So now the problem would be how am I able to hit the wraith mob at all with fists (I know its cuz I'm a mage).
Btw its still possible to miss an incapped mob, so thats a diff problem altogether.</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I believe the code change that went in to "fix" the problem w/ incap mobs only applied to the mobs chances to save via a skill, i.e. dodge etc. I'm not sure it was ever intended to be a never miss situation.
Twyl
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I've missed 4 consecutive backstab attempts on a mortally wounded mob to have it bleed to death on me. Yes, folks, that's 4. Up from my previous record of 3. It's pretty sad when I can hit living moving fighting things better than ones lying on the ground, bleeding to death. Plus you'd think that with me being a dwarf and all, I wouldn't miss things on the ground that much. Oh well, such is life.
- Grungar "You miss a whale with your pierce. A whale is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided." Forgefire
- Grungar "You miss a whale with your pierce. A whale is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided." Forgefire
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Grungar:
<B>I've missed 4 consecutive backstab attempts on a mortally wounded mob to have it bleed to death on me. Yes, folks, that's 4. Up from my previous record of 3. It's pretty sad when I can hit living moving fighting things better than ones lying on the ground, bleeding to death. Plus you'd think that with me being a dwarf and all, I wouldn't miss things on the ground that much. Oh well, such is life.
- Grungar "You miss a whale with your pierce. A whale is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided." Forgefire</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe he was lying on his back...
<B>I've missed 4 consecutive backstab attempts on a mortally wounded mob to have it bleed to death on me. Yes, folks, that's 4. Up from my previous record of 3. It's pretty sad when I can hit living moving fighting things better than ones lying on the ground, bleeding to death. Plus you'd think that with me being a dwarf and all, I wouldn't miss things on the ground that much. Oh well, such is life.
- Grungar "You miss a whale with your pierce. A whale is mortally wounded, and will die soon, if not aided." Forgefire</B></font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Maybe he was lying on his back...
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In addition to it being wraith form, broken magic fists, ect...
Miss does not mean you swung and didnt hit anything, it means you attacked and you didnt do any damage (Im pretty sure i read a god post to that effect). mobs that are incapicated would still have natural ac for whatever reason? If tiamat was sleeping and you walked up to it and you made physical contact with it with a toothpick its not going to take any damage which on sojourn would be translated as a miss. The combat code already takes into account position for players (lets hope it also does for mobs).
[This message has been edited by kiryan (edited 09-14-2001).]
Miss does not mean you swung and didnt hit anything, it means you attacked and you didnt do any damage (Im pretty sure i read a god post to that effect). mobs that are incapicated would still have natural ac for whatever reason? If tiamat was sleeping and you walked up to it and you made physical contact with it with a toothpick its not going to take any damage which on sojourn would be translated as a miss. The combat code already takes into account position for players (lets hope it also does for mobs).
[This message has been edited by kiryan (edited 09-14-2001).]
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